23:01 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 23:01 Meeting started Fri Jan 10 23:01:28 2020 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 23:01 23:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 23:01 #chair JackFrost 23:01 Current chairs: JackFrost ochosi 23:01 #chair bluesabre 23:01 Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre ochosi 23:01 o/ 23:02 hi and welcome everyone! 23:02 #info Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 23:02 #topic Open action items 23:02 we carried over nothing from the last meeting 23:03 and since nobody added any AIs since then i guess we have none..? 23:03 I think a lot of folks didn't know about the meeting 23:03 I saw a mention of it, and it was on the calendar :D 23:03 tonight? 23:03 i sent out the usual mail and put it on the calendar 23:03 and on the wiki page 23:04 Yep, I didn't. So I guess now might be a good time to ask what 4.15 has in store for us, or specifically, what we're going to do with it. 23:04 I feel like I didn't see the mail 23:04 hmm 23:04 Anyhoo, we're here now :D 23:04 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-January/thread.html ? 23:04 wtf 23:05 https://imgur.com/0b5Vigf.png 23:05 i didn't receive a rejection mail or anything 23:05 and i didn't check the archive, because... why would i? 23:05 :/ 23:06 lol 23:06 soooorry (i guess) 23:06 Not you, or us, so all good 23:06 but i'm happy i managed to schedule a time/day that works :D 23:06 so yeah, let's skip ahead and talk about 4.16 23:06 or 4.15 23:06 #topic Updates and announcements 23:07 (I also didn't discard your mail from the list!) 23:07 #info Xfce 4.15 is progressing well and there are a few more releases around the corner 23:08 since 4.16 will switch to client side decorations for XfceTitledDialog that begs the question whether we go s/mate/gnome in our application set (evince,..) 23:08 also, gtk-dialog-use-header will be enabled by default upstream 23:08 #info The new dark theme, Greybird-dark was just released 23:08 which means all GtkDialog based windows should use CSD 23:08 Working on getting that packaged :) 23:09 cool 23:09 so regarding what we're going to do with 4.15, i'd slap it into a PPA for testing 23:09 and then think about it again once 20.04 is released 23:10 if you want a sneak preview (ahead of my upcoming blog post about this), here's the xfce settings manager in the new layout: https://imgur.com/sj98Abn.png 23:11 so visually it's not a big departure 23:11 or a standalone config dialog: https://imgur.com/5nRhS6H.png 23:12 JackFrost: does that answer your question? 23:13 Well not really, I'd guess the specific question is ppa:xubuntu-dev/experimental ? 23:13 yeah, i guess so 23:13 Sure, I think that's fine 23:13 OK, I'll only be picking them up as they hit Debian experimental this time. 23:14 Makes sense :) 23:14 does debian experimental pick up devel releases? 23:14 (sry, i'm rather ignorant there) 23:15 Depends on if corsac feels like it, but usually yeah. 23:15 Other news from the theming perspective, the Yaru folks might have a surprise for us soon (nothing more to say about that for now) 23:15 enigmatic 23:16 Saw a 4.15 thing get uploaded to debian the other day 23:16 is it good, bad or ugly? (the surprise) 23:16 Good 23:16 :) 23:16 * ochosi keeps his fingers crossed 23:16 ...What I'd think of as 'good' or what everyone else does? :P 23:16 Well 23:16 :'D 23:16 That remains to be seen 23:16 ;) 23:17 okok, i'll stop biting my nails and we can move on 23:17 unless you want to know more regarding 4.15 23:17 Nope. 23:17 k 23:17 Got anything planned for 4.14.x? 23:17 yeah 23:18 that's what i would move on to 23:18 #subtopic Xubuntu 20.04 Planning 23:18 gtk-dialog-use-header doesn't really look like a user setting, but glade or whatnot, right? 23:18 it's a user setting 23:18 you can try with xfconf-query if you want 23:19 (i can paste the command) 23:19 AH, fantastic. Thanks. I'll :x now. 23:19 it'll be part of my blog post ;) 23:19 :) 23:20 the only agenda item i added could go here or into discussion 23:20 it's about checking up on 4.14.x releases 23:21 so i would suggest we spend a few minutes to go around the most important components and see if we want a point release :) 23:21 :) 23:21 and then info it 23:21 I think xfce4-settings has a few fixes waiting in it 23:21 #info xfce4-panel 4.14.2 shall be released shortly 23:22 And xfce4-taskmanager drops the stuck floating legend, fixing one of our lp bugs 23:22 #info xfce4-settings 4.14.2 shall be released shortly 23:23 xfce4-weather-plugin has some bugs I'm aware of that I need to fix and release 23:23 #info xfdesktop 4.14.2 shall be released shortly 23:23 (some of those means we need to bug others, other releases can be done by me or sean) 23:23 xfce4-screensaver has a few newly reported bugs with patches 23:23 yeah 23:24 #info xfce4-session 4.14.1 shall be released shortly 23:24 nice 23:25 so there are quite a few 23:25 JackFrost: aware of any critical releases? 23:25 even though the powermanager has only commit, it's a nice one 23:25 Nope. 23:26 Got another catfish release I'll hopefully land this weekend 23:26 We might also need to revisit our docs a bit this cycle 23:27 Oh 23:27 i thnk that's about it from the core components 23:27 And the wallpaper contest 23:27 Sorry, brain dumping :) 23:28 ochosi: yeah, can't think of others that have anything major pending 23:28 docs and wallpaper contest are both fine, but i have to admit i probably won't have time for either 23:28 i mean helping with the selection, yes, that's just one session 23:28 but setting it all up and communicating it, probably not 23:28 Once I have a handle of the requirements, I'll put a schedule together 23:29 k 23:30 anything else you would like to discuss in planning? 23:30 xubuntu-wise, I think that's all I have 23:31 k, same here 23:31 #topic Discussion 23:32 hi 23:32 :) 23:32 :) 23:32 So, we should probably look at the release schedule 23:33 we had one point we may carry over from last time, which is announcing that we need people to work on our website (since knome isn't around a lot) 23:33 bluesabre: wanna take an action item? 23:33 :> 23:33 Sure 23:33 and yeah, then let's look at the schedule 23:34 #action bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress) 23:34 * meetingology bluesabre to send an email to the xubuntu / xubuntu-devel list about looking for a new web lead (someone who doesn't hate wordpress) 23:34 Release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule 23:35 Feature freeze at the end of February 23:35 2/27 - Feature Freeze / Debian Import Freeze 23:35 We're not doing too bad for time :) 23:35 seems like the next relevant date 23:35 since we're not really planning any new features so far, i guess UI freeze may be more relevant even 23:36 3/19 - User Interface Freeze 23:36 Xfce 4.14 has been pleasantly stable, so there's not a lot of things to worry about adding or fixing 23:36 indeed 23:36 Unless there's tons of broken stuff and nobody's reporting bugs 23:36 :D 23:36 Definitely possible. 23:36 some people are reporting bugs, and i actually fix some of them every once in a while 23:37 the good thing is most of them also affect 4.15 so i have extra motivation to fix them anyway 23:37 good dev ochosi 23:37 we're in a much better place than with 4.12 23:37 the porting made bug fixing for older releases totally unpleasant 23:37 and also felt more like a waste of time 23:38 What's the package that we use for the color profiles? Has it been updated for focal? 23:38 ah 23:38 i think so 23:38 i think i even asked JackFrost to put it in a PPA for me and i tested it 23:38 the main issue with it is gone (100%cpu and multiple daemons spawned) 23:38 But did you close the resulting bug? ;) 23:39 i thought you did :p 23:39 i can take a look... 23:39 #chair kryten 23:39 Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi 23:39 <3 23:39 I'm sorry to interrupt the flow. I've done a bunch of ISO testing without any issues presenting themselves. 23:39 thanks franksmcb :) 23:39 hey franksmcb! 23:39 LP 1845800 23:39 Launchpad bug 1845800 in xiccd (Ubuntu) "xiccd consumes 100% CPU" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845800 23:39 Thanks for the testing :) 23:40 Howdy bluesabre 23:40 No worries, if there is something specific you want tested for please reach out 23:40 #chair pleia 23:40 Warning: Nick not in channel: pleia 23:40 Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia 23:41 #chair pleia2 23:41 Current chairs: JackFrost bluesabre kryten ochosi pleia pleia2 23:41 JackFrost: closed it now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xiccd/+bug/1845800 23:41 Launchpad bug 1845800 in xiccd (Ubuntu) "xiccd consumes 100% CPU" [Undecided,Fix released] 23:41 franksmcb: definitely, will do 23:41 we can link that to our roadmap actually 23:43 didn't we once vote on installing a color emoji font? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1766976 23:43 Launchpad bug 1766976 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Please consider installing fonts-noto-color-emoji by default" [Low,Confirmed] 23:43 ochosi: yeah, didn't get enough votes for a decision iirc 23:44 oh wow, only 2 people voted..? 23:45 no, 5 23:45 isnt 5 enough? 23:47 Not sure, internet connection really bad right now 23:47 Might have been 10 members at that time 23:47 With regards to post-20.04, we'll have to look for project leads again. :P 23:48 do we need a new council? 23:48 We will post-20.04 23:48 right 23:48 good to know 23:50 Maybe we'll have some new faces apply :) 23:51 that'd be nice 23:52 Seems like nothing else? 23:53 yup 23:53 i'm done 23:54 i'd move on to doing those xfce releases i mentioned earlier... 23:54 :) 23:54 I have nothing else 23:54 kryten, pleia2? 23:54 franksmcb? 23:54 nothing from me 23:54 Noope! 23:55 #action JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting 23:55 * meetingology JackFrost to schedule the next team meeting 23:55 Easy to escape with a nick change ;) 23:56 #endmeeting