21:58 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 21:58 <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Oct 12 21:58:35 2019 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:58 <meetingology> 21:58 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 21:58 <bluesabre> Surprise! 21:58 <bluesabre> !team | anybody around for a quick meeting? 21:58 <ubottu> anybody around for a quick meeting?: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 22:00 <bluesabre> #chair ochosi 22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi 22:00 <bluesabre> #chair Unit193 22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi 22:01 <ochosi> new motto: "better to have an impromptu meeting with a few people than no meetings at all" 22:01 <bluesabre> :D 22:01 <bluesabre> Works for me 22:01 <bluesabre> #topic Open action items 22:01 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to replace light-locker with xfce4-screensaver in eoan 22:01 <ochosi> noice 22:01 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the mailing list to discuss additional keyboard shortcuts 22:02 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the team regarding the GTK styles in GIMP (noting GTK used to be default) 22:02 <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to email a team vote for color emoji support in Xubuntu 22:02 <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to work on improving "starting point" documentation for dev/QA 22:02 <bluesabre> never got to it: bluesabre to reach out to other flavors to improve shared documentation 22:03 <ochosi> i guess dev docs could be an upstream topic 22:03 <ochosi> at least i wouldn't duplicate the effort 22:03 <ochosi> and upstream could really use some time spent on that, and then we could simply link to it 22:03 <bluesabre> Yeah 22:03 <bluesabre> GIMP: GTK theme, got +4 / -0 22:04 <bluesabre> Color emoji: +3 / -1 22:05 <bluesabre> Keyboard shortcuts: Added Super+L for locking, Super+D for show desktop 22:05 <bluesabre> #topic Updates and announcements 22:06 <bluesabre> ochosi: Definitely in favor for upstream docs 22:06 <ochosi> i guess we got both 4.14 patch releases (settings, panel) into eoan? 22:06 <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, pretty sure 22:06 <bluesabre> !info xfce4-settings eoan 22:06 <ochosi> that's pretty neat 22:06 <ubottu> xfce4-settings (source: xfce4-settings): graphical application for managing Xfce settings. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.14.1-1ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 565 kB, installed size 3535 kB 22:06 <bluesabre> !info xfce4-panel eoan 22:06 <ubottu> xfce4-panel (source: xfce4-panel): panel for Xfce4 desktop environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.14.1-0ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 623 kB, installed size 3599 kB 22:07 <ochosi> i think i was the only one doing patch releases so far 22:07 <ochosi> so that should be it 22:07 <bluesabre> #info Xfce 4.14 released, available in 19.10 22:07 <bluesabre> #info Root ZFS installation now available with the 19.10 daily image 22:08 <bluesabre> I don't think I have any other announcements 22:08 <ochosi> me neither 22:08 <ochosi> i guess we won't push any further patch releases of 4.14 into eoan 22:09 <bluesabre> #info 19.10 to be released this coming Thursday (10/17), let's test it this week! 22:09 <bluesabre> Yeah, at least without them being SRU 22:09 <ochosi> unless they fix something critical which has yet to be discovered (4.14 is going suprisingly smooth in terms of critical bug reports) 22:10 <bluesabre> Indeed, we did a good job with our years of slower-pace development and 6 months of rapid development ;) 22:10 <ochosi> haha 22:10 <bluesabre> So with no other announcements... 22:10 <ochosi> that may be the new methodology to supersede "agile" :D 22:10 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion 22:11 <bluesabre> It's been a pretty quiet development cycle on the Xubuntu side of things 22:11 <ochosi> yeah, as long as you ignore upstream efforts 22:11 <ochosi> my time was pretty bound by that 22:12 <bluesabre> Same, was pretty on it with Xfce up until September, then I was on personal stuff for a month 22:13 <bluesabre> knome: for the record, I am a fan of the new wallpaper (as usual). Dig the colors! 22:14 <bluesabre> I think we'll need to dig in and do a good round of planning in the next couple weeks, 20.04 is an LTS 22:14 <ochosi> indeed 22:14 <ochosi> although tbh i wouldn't change much about the 4.14 stuff 22:14 <bluesabre> There's probably a few upstream changes we should bring down, like the pathbar 22:14 <ochosi> pathbar? 22:15 <bluesabre> in thunar 22:15 <bluesabre> Instead of text entry 22:16 <ochosi> oh dear 22:16 <bluesabre> Not sure what other goodies there were yet :D 22:16 <ochosi> i thought there was only that one now 22:16 <ochosi> doesn't make much sense to me to keep both around tbh 22:17 <bluesabre> Yeah 22:17 <bluesabre> This is the default, https://imgur.com/itmSy7N.png 22:17 <ochosi> meh 22:17 <ochosi> ok, yeah, we should for sure switch 22:18 <bluesabre> Otherwise, probably lots of papercut bugs to fix 22:18 <ochosi> yeah 22:18 <ochosi> tbh we could review some apps again 22:19 <ochosi> i'd still like to get rid of gnome software for the fact that it keeps running in the background 22:19 <ochosi> but i guess there is still no alternative to it 22:20 <bluesabre> It gets a little bit better each cycle, but yeah... it's still not particularly great (and not up to where software-center was) 22:20 <Unit193> Still can't really find things, isn't so good in general. 22:21 <ochosi> yeah, i also have to agree with that 22:21 <ochosi> i've just gotten better at using apt since then 22:21 <bluesabre> :D 22:21 <Unit193> Oh, I don't have it installed, I just get to see "I removed 'mail' in software center and now Xubuntu doesn't start, what happened?" in #xubuntu. 22:22 <ochosi> lol 22:22 <bluesabre> That should be fixed now, but not for some of the active releases 22:23 <bluesabre> Exo 0.12.3 22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils bionic 22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 (bionic), package size 45 kB, installed size 162 kB 22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils cosmic 22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-1 (cosmic), package size 45 kB, installed size 162 kB 22:23 <bluesabre> !info exo-utils disco 22:23 <ubottu> exo-utils (source: exo): Utility files for libexo. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.4-1 (disco), package size 45 kB, installed size 180 kB 22:23 <bluesabre> well 22:23 <bluesabre> So, disco users are happy 22:24 <ochosi> disco dancers too 22:25 <bluesabre> So, anything more to discuss for now? 22:25 <ochosi> upstream we don't care enough about application metadata, that's also an area to improve... 22:25 <ochosi> but not much we can do downstream imo 22:25 <ochosi> no, i think for eoan we're fine 22:25 <ochosi> we should probably schedule a meeting for e+1 soonish 22:26 <bluesabre> Yeah, was thinking about getting one set up the following week 22:26 <bluesabre> So it begins... 22:26 <bluesabre> > Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] (20191012) has been added 22:27 <ochosi> i'll be afk the last week of october 22:27 <ochosi> just fyi 22:27 <bluesabre> alrighty 22:28 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting 22:28 <bluesabre> ochosi: want to take it, or should I just run with it :) 22:29 <ochosi> i 22:29 <ochosi> i'd say run with it 22:29 <ochosi> since i almost scheduled the meeting tonight ;) 22:29 <bluesabre> lol 22:29 <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to schedule next meeting 22:29 * meetingology bluesabre to schedule next meeting 22:29 <bluesabre> #endmeeting