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22:00 <flocculant> #chair bluesabre Unit193
22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre flocculant
22:00 <bluesabre> evening all
22:00 <flocculant> who's here tonight then :)
22:00 <knome> o/
22:01 <albinard> one interloper - me
22:01 <Spass> \o
22:01 <flocculant> anyway lets get going and wait for Unit193 to say he's here :p
22:01 <flocculant> #topic Open action items
22:01 <flocculant> looks like all are done
22:01 <flocculant> #done knome to send another call for council membership nominations
22:01 <flocculant> #done knome to set up the umbrella blueprint for CC
22:01 <flocculant> #done knome to deal with dev.x.o for CC
22:02 <bluesabre> nice
22:02 <flocculant> #topic Updates and Announcements
22:02 <flocculant> yup
22:02 <flocculant> :)
22:02 <flocculant> #info Release Schedule for Cosmic not set up
22:02 <flocculant> should do council I suppose
22:02 <flocculant> #info New Council set up
22:03 <ochosi> evening all
22:03 <flocculant> #info Thanks to the 2 outgoing council chappies knome and ochosi
22:03 <flocculant> hi ochosi :)
22:03 <flocculant> anyone else have anything for this?
22:03 <knome> you're all welcome and congrats again for the new council :)
22:03 <ochosi> +1
22:04 <bluesabre> #info xubuntu code branches moved to git (more on this later)
22:04 <bluesabre> (no more updates from me, I think)
22:04 <flocculant> :)
22:05 <flocculant> #topic Discussion
22:05 <flocculant> then :)
22:06 <flocculant> #subtopic Blueprints
22:06 <flocculant> can team leads get their blueprints up together so we've got an idea what to expect
22:06 <bluesabre> Umbrella blueprint available at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-c-roadmap
22:06 <flocculant> not that any but the dev one changes much from cycle to cycle :D
22:07 <flocculant> I know my one doesn't ...
22:07 <bluesabre> time to break something
22:07 <flocculant> :)
22:07 <ochosi> already updated the artwork stuff, but tbh it's mostly maintenance at this point
22:07 <flocculant> ack
22:07 <ochosi> unless someone wants to step up in that area, it's going to stay at this level
22:07 <bluesabre> ochosi is waiting for gtk4
22:08 <flocculant> I had a question about arty stuff - but bluesabre answered that
22:08 <flocculant> ha ha
22:08 <ochosi> you mean as in "waiting for gtk4 to finally give up artwork completely"?
22:08 <ochosi> :)
22:08 <bluesabre> lol
22:08 <flocculant> lol
22:08 <bluesabre> for the visitors, blueprint progress can be tracked at https://dev.xubuntu.org/
22:09 <ochosi> the dev blueprint looks good to me
22:09 <ochosi> quite a bit of interesting stuff there too
22:09 <flocculant> yea - to me as well
22:10 <ochosi> wondering whether we should at some point drop certain work items from the blueprint, as we have dragged them with us for at least 1 LTS cycle
22:10 <bluesabre> might add some more stuff to it soon after I experiment a bit
22:10 <ochosi> (e.g. parole)
22:10 <bluesabre> ochosi: I wouldn't be opposed to dropping that
22:10 <ochosi> then let's just do that
22:10 <bluesabre> not going to be learning polkit unless I have to
22:10 <ochosi> we can still keep it as a bugreport in bugzilla
22:11 <ochosi> polkit or packagekit?
22:11 <bluesabre> er, packagekit
22:11 <bluesabre> p*kit
22:11 <ochosi> (dropped it)
22:11 <bluesabre> thanks
22:11 <Unit193> > elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements   This is in progress.
22:11 <ochosi> the pidgin stuff i also have an unrealistic feeling about
22:12 <ochosi> Unit193: marked as such now
22:12 <ochosi> bluesabre: originally you signed up for patching pidgin, do you still feel you wanna do that?
22:12 <Unit193> It's basically done, just have to update some copyright crap and resubmit..
22:12 <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, still might poke it
22:12 <ochosi> personally i'd love to get it done, but i know *i* won't have the energy
22:12 <ochosi> too much xfce stuff that needs attention
22:12 <bluesabre> trying to do a lot early in the cycle so I have more energy to do investigative patchy stuff
22:13 <ochosi> (at least one less thunar plugin now that blocks shipping 1.7)
22:13 <bluesabre> nice
22:14 <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: have your feelings wrt xfconf changed? do you still wanna go forward with it this cycle?
22:14 <Unit193> We'll see.
22:14 <ochosi> i'd rather get rid of the maybes as soon as possible so i know what to focus on upstream
22:14 <ochosi> that's my background
22:14 <Unit193> Not at this current stage, but things might start looking better.
22:15 <ochosi> what's the current stage?
22:15 <ochosi> what would have to change for things to look better?
22:17 <flocculant> no-one knows :p
22:18 <ochosi> seemingly...
22:18 <ochosi> Unit193?
22:19 <Unit193> Oh, hi.  Yes, not everything is ready yet.  Don't remember if it goes further than thunar plugins not being ported yet.  Might be just that.  I'll look soon.
22:19 <ochosi> i meant wrt xfconf specifically
22:20 <ochosi> the thunar stuff is sorta in progress i'd say, and do-able mostly
22:20 <flocculant> most of this 4.13 stuff is all in ppa's currently is it not?
22:20 <flocculant> if not all
22:20 <ochosi> not sure tbh
22:20 <ochosi> the panel didn't use to be
22:20 <Unit193> Not quite everything, no.
22:20 <Unit193> flocculant: Daily builds will start spitting out for Cosmic.
22:21 <ochosi> would definitely be helpful to get everything PPA'd so ppl can start taking things for a spin
22:21 <bluesabre> +1
22:21 <Unit193> I'll see what I'm missing once I get Cosmic up for floc.
22:22 <flocculant> ok - well currently obviously set to bionic here - if I can be told when the ppa actually gets cosmic I can see what I find here
22:22 <flocculant> ack
22:22 <bluesabre> yay coordination :D
22:22 <flocculant> that'll at least see a start to it
22:23 <Unit193> I said I would when he asked, I was just in Indiana at the time.  Anyway, anything else here?
22:23 <Unit193> Also, xfce4-settings needs to be fixed first.
22:23 <flocculant> not from me on bp's or this
22:23 <bluesabre> yeah, remind me what needs done there
22:23 <Unit193> (Xfce 14381)
22:23 <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 14381 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd --replace does not replace old daemon" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381
22:23 <bluesabre> perfect
22:24 <ochosi> i wonder if this is fixed by the gdbus transition in git master
22:24 <bluesabre> will get that on my list for this week
22:25 <bluesabre> so I'm no longer a blocker
22:25 <flocculant> anything else?
22:25 <bluesabre> nothing more bp-related from me
22:26 <flocculant> #subtopic Git
22:26 <flocculant> what an awesome subtopic for this old git :D
22:26 <bluesabre> :D
22:26 <flocculant> so bluesabre :)
22:27 <bluesabre> #info We've moved all of our branches (except test cases) to git!
22:27 <bluesabre> #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git for more information
22:27 <bluesabre> We'll be working on writing some quality documentation so nobody is left in the dark
22:27 <flocculant> :p
22:28 <ochosi> bluesabre: actually what's there is a good start
22:28 <flocculant> just for those not reading bp subscription mails :
22:28 <ochosi> not sure you really wanna go into the details of how git works
22:28 <ochosi> that'll soon start to be a copy-paste job from the git book
22:28 <Unit193> ochosi: Perhaps a "git for bzr users" can either be written or linked.
22:28 <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, don't want to do too much, don't want to do too little
22:29 <flocculant> threw me completely
22:29 <ochosi> yeah, sounds like a valid link
22:29 * flocculant has enough trouble as it is
22:30 <bluesabre> but yeah, if any git users want to drop by and write up some nice docs, feel free to
22:31 <flocculant> it was the fails that completely did for me tbh
22:31 <flocculant> if it had just worked I would likely have not had a paddy :p
22:31 <bluesabre> :D
22:31 <flocculant> anyway - anything else we need to say on this?
22:32 <bluesabre> Hopefully we can smooth out the issues over this cycle so there's no more paddies
22:32 <flocculant> other than thanks for doing it :)
22:32 <flocculant> ha ha
22:32 <bluesabre> flocculant: nothing more so far
22:32 * flocculant grabs the rocket boots then
22:32 <flocculant> #subtopic Core
22:32 <flocculant> so
22:32 <bluesabre> so
22:32 <flocculant> this one
22:32 <flocculant> again :p
22:32 <bluesabre> This one might be a bit delayed
22:32 <bluesabre> I refreshed all the patches
22:32 <flocculant> I see we've got the files updated?
22:33 <bluesabre> and seemingly years of history are now missing from lp:debian-cd
22:33 <flocculant> oh right
22:33 <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/debian-cd last modified 2013-05-06
22:33 <bluesabre> (wasn't like that before)
22:34 <flocculant> well I guess that's not good then
22:34 <bluesabre> no, probably not
22:34 <bluesabre> need to ask around about that
22:34 <bluesabre> But, the short of it is, patches are up-to-date, merges have been requested
22:34 <flocculant> ok
22:34 <bluesabre> and I'll be harrassing the ubuntu teams to get it in this cycle
22:35 <flocculant> so generally what's our next step - get -release involved again?
22:35 <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files ?
22:35 <flocculant> should look up when typing ...
22:36 <flocculant> bluesabre: obviously there the sooner the better to get it testing
22:36 <bluesabre> Unit193: seems like they moved trunk
22:36 <bluesabre> breaking https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 :D
22:37 <bluesabre> flocculant: definitely
22:38 <bluesabre> but yeah, progress on core is being made
22:38 <flocculant> cool
22:38 <flocculant> so at the moment - kind of up in the air till we find out some 'stuff' ?
22:39 <bluesabre> yeah, will probably grab slangasek once I get the merge request sorted
22:39 <flocculant> k - do you want to action you there?
22:40 <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged
22:40 * meetingology bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged
22:40 <flocculant> cos I'm too tired to word it sensibly
22:40 <flocculant> there were 2 other items - but I tabled them as 1 we sort of discussed in bp's and the other depends on that :)
22:41 <flocculant> #topic AOB
22:41 <flocculant> anyone got anything they want to bring up?
22:42 <bluesabre> Don't think I do
22:42 <flocculant> oh
22:42 <flocculant> I'll just mention this
22:43 <flocculant> #info Checking of package testcases is well in hand - thanks to willem
22:43 <flocculant> plan to get that moving this cycle some
22:43 <bluesabre> awesome
22:44 <flocculant> currently he's stuck on orage trying to work it out even though he never uses it - and it was written by someone who never uses it :p
22:44 <flocculant> anyway - nothing else from me
22:45 <flocculant> so if no-one else has anything ...
22:45 * flocculant waits a short while to cool the boots a bit
22:46 <ochosi> nothing else from me
22:46 <knome> nope
22:47 <flocculant> #topic Schedule next meeting
22:47 <flocculant> #action slickymaster to set next meeting
22:47 * meetingology slickymaster to set next meeting
22:47 <flocculant> #endmeeting