08:31 <ochosi> #startmeeting 08:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 4 08:31:16 2015 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 08:31 <meetingology> 08:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 08:31 <ochosi> !team | meeting time! 08:31 <ubottu> meeting time!: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 08:31 <ochosi> welcome everybody, who's about? 08:31 <knome> o– 08:33 <ochosi> hm, menage a deux? :) 08:33 <ochosi> wake up Unit193! 08:33 <ObrienDave> he's sleeping ;P 08:33 <knome> ObrienDave, isn't that when you tell somebody to wake up? 08:33 <ochosi> yeah, seemingly went bacak to bed 08:34 <ochosi> that sucks, the first work item is for him :) 08:34 <knome> ochosi, my action is done 08:35 <ochosi> oh perfect, a netsplit 08:35 <knome> time for secret decisions! 08:36 <ochosi> :p 08:37 <knome> boring meeting 08:37 <ochosi> well, i guess we can come back to the open action items later 08:37 <knome> is this why i'm up before noon? 08:37 <knome> ;)= 08:37 <ochosi> #topic Open action items 08:38 <ochosi> knome: you mentioned something about having completed something there? 08:38 <knome> yes, my only open action item 08:38 <ochosi> oddly, i only see the xubuntu-dev action item as open from last meeting 08:38 <knome> take the garbage out of your eye 08:39 <ochosi> oh 08:39 <ochosi> there it is 08:39 <knome> yes, under the "Action items, by person" header 08:39 <knome> it's very confusing, i know! 08:39 <ochosi> hehe 08:39 <ochosi> only looked at the top of the summary therer 08:39 <ochosi> so anyway, Unit193 ? 08:40 <ochosi> any news on xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd ? 08:40 <knome> i saw a patch for that yesterday 08:40 <knome> http://paste.openstack.org/show/5KhCuR1s4j0RGIc5sav0/ 08:40 <ochosi> right, i've seen that one before too 08:40 <knome> but - i don't know what that is supposed to be a patch against 08:41 <Unit193> livecd-rootfs 08:41 <knome> i tried to get Unit193 push it into a branch so we could have nice MPs... 08:41 <ochosi> +1 08:41 <Unit193> Doubt it's ready for that. 08:41 <knome> for "what" exactly? 08:41 <ochosi> also, Unit193, would you mind splitting up the workitem in the blueprint a bit? 08:42 <knome> that would be nice. 08:42 <Unit193> Wouldn't mind. 08:42 <knome> Unit193, split it up - you'll got to keep all pieces though 08:42 <knome> *get 08:42 <knome> anyway, please do MPs 08:43 <ochosi> #action Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better 08:43 * meetingology Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better 08:43 <Unit193> When they're ready. 08:43 <knome> Unit193, thanks. 08:43 <Unit193> ochosi: Split it however you like. 08:43 <ochosi> actually MPs can be updated easily 08:43 <ochosi> Unit193: wait, that was your action item 08:43 <ochosi> also, iirc micahg said he would help, but wasn't sure what part you needed help with, so just create a workitem for him that tells him what to do 08:43 <knome> and MPs need branches, so you can push to a branch and do a MP once the branch is ready for a merge... but i don't really care if you prepare and do MPs once stuff is ready 08:45 <ochosi> uhm right, since it's obviously early and Unit193 doesn't seem to want to discuss this any further, let's move on... 08:45 <ochosi> #topic Team updates 08:45 <Unit193> ochosi: Not much to say, so I said little. :P 08:46 <ochosi> frankly, the paste you link to every now and then tells me practically nothing, so i really wouldn't know where you stand on the matter and how to help 08:47 <knome> #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) 08:47 <ochosi> Unit193: maybe micah understands the livecd stuff, but in that case just create a workitem for him to review some branches of yours (before that you obviously have to push some branches) 08:47 <knome> #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface 08:47 <knome> #undo 08:47 <knome> ochosi, ^^please #undo 08:47 <ochosi> #undo 08:47 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC 08:47 <knome> what? 08:47 <knome> :'( 08:47 <ochosi> awesome 08:47 <knome> lderan!!! 08:48 <ochosi> the #done thing doesn't really work it seems 08:48 <ochosi> #topic Team updates 08:48 <knome> not when undoing, it seems... 08:48 <knome> #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) 08:48 <knome> #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface in preparation to pulling data to the tracker 08:49 <ochosi> #info ochosi pushed several updates to Greybird to improve the look of CSDs, can be tested via the shimmer-daily PPA 08:49 <knome> #done knome updated the "For Derivatives" page on the website - landing the preliminary package list with xubuntu branding - feedback welcome from developers 08:50 <ochosi> #info ochosi started working on an "a11y" version of Greybird's window manager theme, WIP can be checked out and commented on here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/xfwm4-a11y 08:51 <knome> #done knome worked on PDF exports for the documentation; basic exports are now ready to go 08:51 <ochosi> nice one 08:51 <knome> #done krytarik updated the Makefiles for the documentation 08:51 <knome> #nick krytarik 08:53 <ochosi> hmright, i'm done, anything/anyone else? 08:53 <knome> hmm i guess yes 08:53 <knome> to be complete 08:53 <knome> #done knome added a burndown chart for the status tracker 08:54 <ochosi> #done bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily 08:54 <ochosi> mkay, then let's move on 08:54 <ochosi> #topic Announcements 08:55 <ochosi> #info there's a new 14.04 LTS point release coming up, please help with testing! 08:55 <Unit193> Mmm, indeed. 08:55 <knome> #info more information at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html 08:55 <knome> (slightly, but more) 08:55 <ochosi> darn, beat me to it :) 08:56 * ochosi empties his paste-cache 08:56 <Unit193> Mica forwarded one that was more. 08:56 <knome> #info General information on 14.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010838.html 08:56 <ochosi> good good 08:58 <ochosi> any other announcements? 08:58 <knome> nope 09:00 <ochosi> ok good, let's move on then 09:00 <ochosi> #topic Discussion 09:00 <ochosi> knome: anything you wanna discuss wrt tracker? 09:01 <knome> not really, unless anybody has feature requests or complaints 09:01 <knome> or have found bugs 09:01 <ochosi> no complaints, this is really awesome sauce 09:01 <knome> good to hear 09:01 <ochosi> i'd love to see it hooked up to xubuntu.org asap 09:01 <knome> well, one thing i just figured out would be great too: 09:01 <knome> when a work item gets marked done, save an entry to the database 09:02 <knome> so we can track when certain things have happened 09:02 <knome> useful for the team updates too 09:02 <knome> or maybe even replaces 09:02 <knome> unless there is something that doesn't fit into work items 09:02 <ochosi> mm, right 09:02 <ochosi> how do you do that for the burndown now? 09:02 <ochosi> or is that just the sum that you save there 09:02 <knome> just save a done/inprogress/total of items 09:03 <ochosi> right, so you're considering individual workitem dates 09:03 <ochosi> makes sense to me 09:03 <knome> yes, but just as a list 09:03 <knome> eg. no more/different burndown charts 09:03 <Unit193> Going to put it on the /dev page? 09:03 <knome> Unit193, at some point maybe. 09:03 <knome> i'd rather get some hosting that is not mine. 09:03 <Unit193> Or rather more useful, in this topic. 09:04 <knome> and get it hooked 09:04 <knome> i will have to talk about that, likely with pleia2 09:04 <ochosi> mhm, indeed 09:04 <ochosi> knome: workitem? ;) 09:04 <knome> maybe 09:04 <knome> i just added a few already... 09:04 <knome> if you look at the details page, i have loads... 09:05 <ochosi> anyway, i guess the email reminders/summaries will be really helpful too 09:05 <knome> more than any individual 09:05 <ochosi> yeah i know 09:05 <knome> yeah, i should hook that up 09:05 <ochosi> but you're known to be workitem-king 09:05 <knome> hah 09:05 <ochosi> i think you've been for several cycles 09:05 <knome> yeah, i'm not saying "i'm doing more", i'm just saying "yes, i will track work"... 09:05 <ochosi> yeah, but that's quite good 09:06 <ochosi> it has taken some time for me to appreciate the usefulness of that 09:06 <knome> ok, i have another discussion item 09:06 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html 09:07 <ochosi> anyhow, apart from the email feature i have the feeling that the tracker is rather feature-complete atm 09:07 <knome> from the UI yes, but not the admin UI; there is literally no admin UI 09:07 <knome> and many things are hardcoded 09:07 <knome> so i'll need to consider how i will want to manage that in the future 09:07 <ochosi> right, but i'm not sure there was any admin interface to status.ubuntu.com 09:08 <knome> i don't think so 09:08 <ochosi> but yeah, that'd be another feature 09:08 <knome> but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have one 09:08 <ochosi> indeed 09:08 <knome> there are a few things that would be "nice to have" regarding that, so.. 09:08 <ochosi> #subtopic Seeds & Composition XSD Review 09:08 <knome> so anyway 09:08 <knome> that 09:08 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html 09:09 <knome> i believe the outcome of that thread was that people are fine with it 09:09 <knome> though, i didn't get any comments from eg. micahg, who said he wanted to comment 09:09 <ochosi> yes 09:09 <ochosi> i'd say we update it now as it is clearly better than what we have 09:09 <knome> otoh, it's 5 months since the thread began... 09:10 <ochosi> if he has concerns he can always mention them and we can try to work them out 09:10 <Unit193> I think I made comments on that. 09:10 <knome> yes... we likely have a pad for that 09:10 <knome> but where... 09:11 <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-sd-seeds-composition 09:11 <knome> that's the one 09:11 <knome> so i believe that's the version we want 09:11 <ochosi> ah yeah, i remember that one 09:12 <knome> Unit193, would you say your concerns are addressed in that version? 09:12 <Unit193> I don't remember so I'll say 'sure' 09:12 <ochosi> heh 09:12 <ochosi> that's the spirit 09:12 <ochosi> :) 09:12 <knome> can you check it, please? 09:13 <knome> the brownish color is Unit193 09:14 <Unit193> * The package should be maintained well upstream hrm.. 09:15 <knome> "The above guidelines can be omitted when there are extensive benefits to seeding the package, ..." 09:15 <knome> this is a strategy document, it's idealist, we'll never get tehre 09:16 <Unit193> (Also, if we have 'well', can't it be 'well maintained'?) 09:16 <knome> but it's good to have a goal 09:16 <Unit193> Hah. 09:16 <knome> ok, so ochosi, will you do the honors of updating the wiki, or shall i? 09:16 <ochosi> knome: thou shallst 09:17 <knome> #action knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section 09:17 * meetingology knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section 09:17 <ochosi> alrighty 09:17 <ochosi> is that it or is there more to discuss? 09:17 <knome> i think that's about it 09:18 <knome> wait 09:18 <ochosi> Unit193: anything else from your side? 09:18 <knome> #undo the last item 09:18 * ochosi waits 09:18 <knome> i did it already 09:18 <ochosi> #undo 09:18 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION 09:18 <knome> ta 09:18 <Unit193> Not that I can think of. 09:18 <Unit193> I wouldn't know, ask krytarik. 09:18 <Unit193> :D 09:18 <ochosi> ok, then let's conclude that part and the meeting ftm 09:18 <ochosi> #Schedule next meeting 09:18 <ochosi> argh 09:18 <knome> hah 09:19 <ochosi> do i have to undo that? 09:19 <ochosi> or will the clowns eat me if i try 09:19 <knome> no 09:19 <ochosi> #topic Schedule next meeting 09:19 <knome> it isn't recognised as a command 09:20 <ochosi> #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting 09:20 <knome> boo, Unit193 isn't the next chair 09:20 <ochosi> #endmeeting