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15:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jan 30 15:00:04 2015 UTC.  The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:00 <elfy> !team | so who's about?
15:00 <ubottu> so who's about?: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193
15:00 <ochosi> o/
15:01 <elfy> :)
15:02 <ganglere> Not a team member, but I'm happy to sit in
15:02 <elfy> welcome - it is a community meeting :)
15:02 <elfy> #topic Open action items
15:03 <ochosi> welcome ganglere
15:03 <knome> o/
15:03 <slickymasterWork> o/
15:03 <baffledbear> I'll also be sitting in, except for that bit where I'm at a standup
15:03 * knome lies
15:03 <ochosi> welcome baffledbear too
15:03 <knome> figure out what that implies
15:03 <knome> ;)
15:03 <elfy> I think pleia2 is away - but I know she did what she was listed as having to do
15:03 <slickymasterWork> pants on fire knome?
15:04 <elfy> and I did the ones I was going to do
15:04 <ochosi> good good, #done them then
15:04 <elfy> #done pleia2 to mail list to kick off discussion about default office applications
15:04 <elfy> #done elfy to mail list about removing games from default install
15:04 <elfy> #done elfy to mail list re user poll
15:05 <elfy> yea - was looking to see if I needed to ochosi :)
15:05 <elfy> #topic Team Updates
15:05 <knome> #done knome updated the Processes page with up-to-date QA process descriptions
15:05 <knome> #done knome designed certificates for the QA incentive programme (and more)
15:05 <knome> #info knome worked on the website refresh
15:05 <elfy> #info QA has seen a new name floating about on tracker post- QA incentive blog
15:06 <elfy> #info not a great deal od testing reported though
15:06 <elfy> #undo
15:06 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
15:06 <knome> i did one
15:06 <elfy> #info not a great deal of testing reported though
15:06 <elfy> knome: I know :)
15:06 <knome> and about to do more
15:06 <slickymasterWork> #info knome and slickymaster started working on the installer slideshow update
15:06 <knome> i have a laptop for testing available now
15:06 <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1504-slideshow
15:06 <knome> ^ that's the drafting pad
15:07 <slickymasterWork> :P
15:07 <slickymasterWork> knome beat me
15:07 <knome> i've also done some PoC things, the branch is at lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/1504-changes
15:07 * ochosi looks at pad
15:07 <knome> these include: a "searchable" whiskermenu
15:07 <knome> inside the slideshow, that is, with predefined application targets
15:07 <slickymasterWork> and some unbelievable features yet to came ;)
15:08 <knome> a slide that cycles through wallpapers
15:08 <knome> and showing application paths on hover only (to save space)
15:08 <ochosi> mhm, sounds nice
15:09 <knome> i'll have to update the branch, i've a local copy of the whiskermenu slide done where i've laid out the menu on top of a screenshot
15:09 <knome> so it looks better
15:09 <knome> and non-case-sensitive search too
15:09 <knome> and with icons...
15:09 <ochosi> sweet
15:10 <elfy> that does all sound rather good :)
15:10 <knome> pushed that right now, so if you branch/pull again, you'll see that too
15:10 <ochosi> yeah, i'm looking forward to having both an updated website and an updated slideshow
15:10 <slickymasterWork> our idea is to somoe how port this interactivity concept also for some other slides
15:11 <slickymasterWork> at least Make the desktop your own and Personalize your computer
15:11 <ochosi> great
15:11 <knome> yep, i think the slideshow has served its purpose well, but otoh, it has been quite boring
15:11 <knome> or become that
15:11 <ochosi> would you go for a bigger default window size then?
15:11 <slickymasterWork> and perhaps join those two making just one out of them
15:11 <knome> probably not...
15:11 <knome> i'm even thinking smaller to fit all netbook monitors better and such
15:11 <ochosi> i'm wondering whether it would be possible (i mean it should be, inside ubiquity's code) to query the size of the screen and just always use 3/4 of it
15:12 <ochosi> and then make the slides responsive
15:12 <knome> considering the slideshow width is defined in the static CSS file... i really aren't sure of that
15:13 <knome> and in a configuration file too, now that i think of it
15:13 <knome> [Slideshow]
15:13 <knome> width:750
15:13 <knome> height:420
15:13 <knome> no units
15:13 <knome> (not even 193)
15:14 <knome> ochosi, you might want to change that color that hurts my eyes on the pad
15:14 <ochosi> yeah, i think we'd need some internal changes in ubiquity to make that possible
15:14 <knome> yes
15:14 <ochosi> i might mention it to xnox though
15:14 <knome> sure
15:15 <knome> i'd be up for making our slideshow responsive at least
15:15 <knome> it doesn't really need much though
15:15 <bluesabre> That'd be cool
15:16 <bluesabre> Hi all, around very briefly
15:16 <bluesabre> (Sorry)
15:16 <ochosi> btw, that isn't really a team update, but since that was brought up today (and i followed up on it), there are no plans to remove the notification shown on the scroll-even of indicator-sound (despite that one commit suggesting it). just the configuration option for it will be dropped
15:16 <elfy> if you make it smaller to fit netbook monitors isn't it going to end up looking swamped on bigger ones
15:16 <elfy> bluesabre: hi - and sorry - I did mean to do this when you're about :( you're up next time though \o/
15:16 <knome> elfy, depends if it looks swamped on netbooks :)
15:17 <knome> i'm not proposing to do the same amount of information on a smaller size
15:17 <knome> just adjust all that and make the slideshow work with less
15:17 <knome> (and show more of the information on interaction, if useful)
15:17 <elfy> yep
15:17 <slickymasterWork> just one thing re the use of wallpapers knome mentioned
15:17 <elfy> ochosi: I got that I think a short while ago btw
15:18 <slickymasterWork> ochosi, do you think it's possible to coordinate the wallpaper contest calendar deadline with the Documentation String Freeze so the winning wallpapers could be added to the slideshow?
15:18 <knome> if we organize a contest, that is
15:19 <slickymasterWork> besides serving our purpose it would also serve as a extra reward for the applicants
15:19 <slickymasterWork> exactly knome
15:19 <elfy> bit late for this cycle isn't it?
15:19 <knome> ^ and a great way to liven up and make the slideshow look fresh
15:19 <knome> elfy, for LTS
15:19 <elfy> ok
15:19 <knome> probably not going to do a contest on regular releases anyway
15:19 <ochosi> yeah
15:19 <ochosi> too much work tbh
15:20 <slickymasterWork> yes, with LTS in mind
15:20 <ochosi> i mean if somebody else wants to organise it, i won't object
15:20 <knome> i might, just for the laughs.
15:20 <elfy> anymore updates from anyone?
15:20 <knome> i don't think so
15:20 <slickymasterWork> lol
15:20 <knome> let's move forward so we can get stuff discussed today :P
15:20 <elfy> moving on then
15:20 <slickymasterWork> nothing from me
15:20 <elfy> #topic announcements
15:21 <elfy> I've got nothing
15:21 <slickymasterWork> me neither
15:21 <elfy> anyone ?
15:21 <knome> nope
15:21 <ochosi> one more thing
15:21 <ochosi> knome: since we're talking team updates, how's it going with the wallpaper? any ETA on that?
15:21 <knome> hr hrr
15:22 <ochosi> i just noticed that because i was looking at our overall progress and there are some blueprints that are lagging behind
15:22 <ochosi> artwork being one of them
15:22 <ochosi> well, and website and marketing
15:22 <knome> dev wallpaper you'll get before beta 1, final before ui freeze
15:23 <ochosi> mkay
15:23 <knome> before meaning i will consider that it will take time to land
15:23 <knome> and upload and such
15:23 <ochosi> i mean tbh it's a bit late already this cycle for it, i also considered postponing it
15:23 <knome> dev wall? works for me
15:23 <ochosi> but then again, since you've already worked on it and we only need to upload it once...
15:23 <knome> i'll let you decide once it's ready
15:23 <elfy> b1 is about 2 weeks away
15:24 <ochosi> i mean i'd personally install it in a new folder somewhere so we only have to flip a config-switch as soon as we're post-release again
15:24 <knome> and re: website/marketing blueprints, there are many things that are almost ready, and that most of those are not related to the release cycle
15:24 <knome> meaning it'll be easier to catch up with those once we start hitting freezes that slow down other progress
15:25 <ochosi> ok
15:25 <knome> it's impossible to estimate it, but it isn't many things i need to do before we can ask IS to push the first take on the new website live
15:25 <ochosi> yeah, i appreciate that those aren't release-critical
15:26 <knome> *estimate the time to get the tasks done
15:26 <ochosi> alrighty
15:26 <ochosi> let's move on then...
15:26 <knome> besides, there are things like "enable translations"
15:26 <elfy> #topic Discussion
15:26 <knome> (^ a bug, so can't mark postponed without dropping the bug from the blueprint)
15:26 <elfy> #subtopic Discuss participating in the weekly Community Q&A sessions
15:27 <elfy> knome: this was your baby afaik
15:27 <knome> yep
15:27 <elfy> http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/
15:27 <knome> so basically, we have an invitation from daniel holbach... is anybody interested to join some of those?
15:27 <elfy> for when these things are - which appears to be 1600 UTC Tuesdays
15:27 * elfy is generally driving at that time
15:27 <knome> if we schedule three sessions per cycle, that means once every two months - and can be different person participating
15:28 <knome> technically, it's a google hangout, so you'll have to release your or your cats face
15:28 <slickymasterWork> lol
15:28 <slickymasterWork> that's on hangouts right?
15:28 <knome> google hangout... didn't i say that?
15:28 <knome> :)
15:28 <elfy> you said technically so someone might think not :p
15:28 <slickymasterWork> yeah knome, but I'm Alt_tab'ing
15:29 <knome> slickymasterWork, ;)
15:29 <knome> elfy, heh, i meant "the technical context is..."
15:29 <slickymasterWork> so, that's a no go for me, don't have the required, and needed hardware to be able to attend
15:29 <knome> eg. it's not organized in knome's moms tearoom with limited access to elderly people only
15:30 <knome> slickymasterWork, if hardware is the issue, we can organize funding from the canonical community fund, or our fund if they think it's stupid.
15:30 <knome> slickymasterWork, but if you just rather would not do that, it's ok as well
15:30 <knome> slickymasterWork, that being participating, not applying for funds, i can do that ;)
15:30 <slickymasterWork> lol, this is a government agency, theoretically I can't bring outside equipment
15:30 <elfy> I'd be in that category if I wasn't driving ...
15:31 <knome> slickymasterWork, aha, so the time is also a problem
15:31 <slickymasterWork> not as much
15:31 <knome> slickymasterWork, as...?
15:32 <knome> it's weekly, so we might be able to ask people to organize one of the hangouts on a weekend as well
15:32 <knome> or some other time that would work for anybody participating
15:32 <slickymasterWork> ... as being able to get a camera and a microphone and use them here
15:32 <elfy> afaik they do them during their working day
15:32 <elfy> knome: ^^
15:32 <ochosi> i generally think this is a good initiative/idea, but then again i'm already quite swamped with many other things and don't feel like taking on another responsibility
15:32 <knome> well yeah, that's really it
15:32 <knome> if nobody can/wants to do it, then let it be so
15:33 <knome> elfy, yep...
15:33 <ochosi> we could also take that to the ML
15:33 <knome> elfy, so the community means the community that can contribute when the canonical employees are at work :P
15:33 <ochosi> although i guess having someone from -team do it would be good
15:33 <slickymasterWork> lol knome
15:33 <knome> yes, i would say it would have to be a team member that participated for xubuntu
15:34 <knome> and i believe that's their thought as well, it's not a users hangout
15:34 <elfy> yea
15:34 <knome> (users can participate by asking)
15:34 <knome> hangouters should be participating by answering...
15:34 <knome> anyway,
15:34 <knome> #action knome to send an email about community Q&A participation
15:34 * meetingology knome to send an email about community Q&A participation
15:35 <elfy> thanks knome
15:35 <knome> that way it'll be archived sensbily
15:35 <knome> even if nobody wanted to do it now
15:35 <elfy> yep
15:35 <knome> np
15:35 <knome> sensibly too
15:35 <knome> move o
15:35 <knome> *on
15:35 <elfy> #subtopic Finalise User identifies as poll options
15:35 <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-user-identifies-as
15:36 <elfy> so there's this poll which Marketing want to run
15:36 <knome> i think we should set up a team that goes through this, creates a poll, and then can run it through the team
15:36 <elfy> I took the original pad contents and cleaned them up a bit
15:36 <knome> did we ask for feedback on this already?
15:36 <elfy> from the list - via the pad
15:37 <knome> (we did...)
15:37 <elfy> slickymasterWork and you did :)
15:37 <knome> so here's my feedback (having been working on the original pad)
15:37 <elfy> setting up a team makes sense
15:37 <knome> the first question seems good to me
15:37 <knome> though i'm not really sure what we are trying to gain with that question
15:38 <slickymasterWork> what did I do enterprisedc ?
15:38 <slickymasterWork> sorry, this thing TTL'd on me
15:38 <knome> the second question is questionable (no pun intended) in my opinion, do we really want to ask/know the *profession* of people?
15:39 <ochosi> the main issue i see with the questionnaire is some duplication, like "how do you use xubuntu" is asked in several ways
15:39 <elfy> I'd not want to know
15:39 <knome> and/or is that important when wanting to identify people
15:39 <slickymasterWork> ah ok, the users poll
15:39 <knome> the last question is in my opinion the best one
15:39 <knome> that's not as quantitive as the others, but i think it gets us the best bang for the buck, so to speak...
15:40 <ochosi> you mean what ppl use the internet for?
15:40 <ochosi> or whether ppl customize
15:40 <knome> do you strongly agree/strongly disagree with the following statements? (cut or reword some of these)
15:40 <knome> the whole list after that
15:40 <ochosi> ah
15:40 <elfy> so we could cut the middle bit out
15:40 <ochosi> yeah, i think that list is ok
15:40 <knome> i think that answer the question of "how do you identify" the best
15:41 <ochosi> but there is some duplication going on there
15:41 <knome> sure...
15:41 <knome> but that's okay
15:41 <knome> they aren't an either/or question
15:41 <knome> and it doesn't matter if there is overlap
15:41 <knome> each answer can be handled individually
15:41 <ochosi> yeah, i know
15:41 <ochosi> those questions also implicitely identify "personas" or "usage profiles", and probably more clearly than by just asking for it directly
15:41 <knome> if 80% of the survey takers identify with any answer, that's a good sign
15:42 <knome> yes, so with that list..
15:42 <knome> i'm not sure if the first one is needed either
15:42 <ochosi> i'd rather make that an optional question
15:42 <knome> or maybe the other "where and how" could be moved under that
15:42 <knome> the first?
15:42 <knome> yeah...
15:42 <ochosi> after the others
15:42 <knome> or the second?
15:43 <knome> i numbered the questions
15:43 <knome> so i would propose 2 comes first, and 1 then, and can be optional
15:43 <ochosi> yup
15:43 <ochosi> exactly
15:43 <knome> ok
15:43 <elfy> works for me
15:44 <ochosi> age bracket should be optional, but is interesting
15:44 <knome> ochosi, what kind of bracket?
15:44 <knome> 0-18, 18-29, 30-39, ... ?
15:44 <ochosi> yeah
15:44 <ochosi> btw, we might weave in a question about office tasks in 1)
15:44 <knome> i think that might be manageable to squeeze in
15:45 <elfy> if you end with 49 - infinity then I will refuse :p
15:45 <ochosi> that might help us with the whole LO/abiword discussion
15:45 <knome> ochosi, you mean... in 2) ? :P
15:45 <knome> oh
15:45 <knome> right
15:45 <knome> elfy, slickymasterWork: let's schedule some time to go through the 1) list
15:45 <knome> and finalize that
15:45 <elfy> yep
15:45 <ochosi> like: Xubuntu's default software selection satisfies my office needs
15:45 <slickymasterWork> I'll answer that after reading the backlog knome
15:45 <slickymasterWork> I lost the all discussion :P
15:46 <knome> #action knome to schedule a meeting for poll improving
15:46 * meetingology knome to schedule a meeting for poll improving
15:46 <knome> ochosi, that sounds a bit off from the general "policy", but we'll see
15:46 <ochosi> yeah
15:46 <ochosi> just felt we might throw something like that in the mix
15:47 <knome> yep
15:47 <ochosi> it's up to you whether you wanna keep it
15:47 <elfy> unless we killed off #2 completely
15:47 <ochosi> i mean with 2) i'm really not sure what we wanna know
15:47 <elfy> then we could have things like Xubuntu default software satisfies my entertainment needs
15:47 <knome> ochosi, yes.
15:47 <ochosi> if we wanna know whether our default apps are fine for most users, we should expressedly ask for that
15:47 <knome> ochosi, it's a great quantitative question though
15:48 <knome> just remember
15:48 <knome> this poll is supposed to figure out how our users identify
15:48 <ochosi> yeah, but what conclusions do you draw from that question (ideally)?
15:48 <knome> there are more polls to follow which can address other questions better
15:48 <ochosi> ah, alrighty
15:49 <elfy> afaik this is just #1 in a series
15:49 <knome> i don't "want" to draw any conclusions
15:49 <knome> i want data that enables us to figure out something
15:49 <elfy> so - get some idea of where people are first - then craft polls more specifically - I thought that was pleia2's idea/plan
15:49 <knome> if you understand the difference..
15:49 <knome> elfy, absolutely and exactly that
15:49 <ochosi> yeah, i had forgotten there would be more of them
15:49 <knome> let's move on
15:50 <ochosi> yup
15:50 <slickymasterWork> yeah, I agree with the idea of one step at a time
15:50 <elfy> nothing else on the agenda, but I guess we could deal with games and that discussion
15:50 <ochosi> right
15:50 <knome> yep, throw a subtopic in and let's briefly discuss the games thread
15:50 <ochosi> we could at least continue it a bit
15:51 <elfy> #subtopic Discuss games in default install following m/l thread
15:51 <elfy> so we have a summary https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/XubuntuGamesDiscussion
15:51 <elfy> which seems to me to be
15:51 <slickymasterWork> and just ftr: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-January/thread.html#10530
15:52 <elfy> 14 to keep games
15:52 <elfy> 4 to lose games completely
15:52 <elfy> 1 sitting on the fence and nothing from me :)
15:52 <knome> yes... the list url will be available forever, the wiki page will be dropped
15:52 <ochosi> hmyeah, i'm sorta on the majority's side if i have to weigh in
15:52 <slickymasterWork> the numbers are pretty clear
15:52 <elfy> which ignores whether to change the current games or not
15:52 <knome> yes, there are good arguments for keeping
15:52 <ochosi> i don't *really* care too much, but then again, the games aren't heavy
15:52 <knome> "Games make Xubuntu look friendly and less nerdy."
15:53 <elfy> and I'm +1 to keeping games
15:53 <ochosi> mkay
15:53 <ochosi> yeah, makes sense
15:53 <knome> "They are something familiar for new users and helps them connect and feel comfortable with Xubuntu and learn about it."
15:53 <vforberger> I vote for 2-4 generic games. those switching from windows will miss solitaire.
15:53 <knome> we don't ship solitaire currently though...
15:53 <knome> and we aren't discussing which games to ship... yet
15:53 <ochosi> we had aisleriot at some point
15:54 <knome> yes, was dropped to help with the fit-on-a-CD mission
15:54 <knome> iirc
15:54 <elfy> knome: yea - but I think we should discuss that - just not now
15:54 <knome> elfy, yep
15:54 <slickymasterWork> right
15:54 <knome> and to be complete...
15:54 <elfy> as I said in -offtopic - I think the best plan would be draw up a list of simple games - then poll users and team
15:54 <knome> i think also seans comments were good:
15:54 <knome> "Games makes Xubuntu feel more human-oriented."
15:54 <knome> *make
15:55 <elfy> agreed
15:55 <knome> "Users can install games if they want, but small games are supposed to be quick diversions." <- meaning, it isnt't a quick diversion if you have to isntall a game first
15:55 <knome> elfy, works for me
15:55 <ochosi> ok, i guess there are no strong voices here for *dropping* the games so let's move along then :)
15:56 <elfy> I'll mail Team re getting a list of simple games
15:56 <ochosi> and just fyi aisleriot: installed: 14,8MB, download: 2.8MB
15:56 <knome> ochosi, not so simple and small :)
15:56 <knome> i'd actually want to discuss one more thing
15:56 <ochosi> yeah, it's >1 card game
15:56 <knome> briefly
15:56 <knome> we'll have to take this on the mailing list...
15:56 <elfy> #action elfy to mail list (TEAM) for suggestions on new games for the default
15:56 * meetingology elfy to mail list (TEAM) for suggestions on new games for the default
15:56 <knome> are we going to target a 1Gb image?
15:57 <knome> or will we move our "maximum size" target to 2Gb?
15:57 <slickymasterWork> I think we should, at least until next LTS
15:57 <knome> tbh, i think the target should be "as close as or under 1Gb"
15:57 <slickymasterWork> yes,
15:58 <elfy> mmm
15:58 <knome> if it seems obvious that we will go over 1Gb with the potential app changes
15:58 <knome> or even better,
15:58 <knome> "under, or as close as possible to 1Gb"
15:58 <knome> under being the first target/goal
15:58 <elfy> but surely that doesn't work ?
15:58 <knome> probably not.
15:58 <slickymasterWork> we're not that far from that, presently
15:59 <ochosi> yeah, would be nice
15:59 <knome> especially if we end up replacing abiword and gnumeric with LO components
15:59 <elfy> 1.1Gb might be as close as possible - then if the decision is about hardware - how many 1.1Gb usb sticks have you seen?
15:59 <elfy> at that point if it's just that consideration - 2Gb is fine
15:59 <knome> elfy, what my intention is that even if we go over 1Gb, we shouldn't fill up to 2Gb just because; the download size still matters
15:59 <ochosi> yeah
16:00 <elfy> of course not - that's not really what I'm saying :)
16:00 <ochosi> i think it's more about DL size than installation medium
16:00 <knome> elfy, i understand, but it's important to mention imo
16:00 <slickymasterWork> the media is not the only issue here elfy, there's also bandwidth considertaions
16:00 <elfy> afaik none of the other *buntu's are anywhere close to 2
16:00 <knome> elfy, i mean, the "as close to 1Gb as possible" goal
16:00 <slickymasterWork> considertaions even
16:00 <ochosi> things have changed a little though since we have -core
16:00 * slickymasterWork sighs
16:00 <elfy> ochosi: true enough
16:00 <knome> ochosi, we don't test the core image *very much*
16:01 <ochosi> yeah, not yet
16:01 <knome> elfy, no comments about not testing the main images :P
16:01 <knome> but yeah...
16:01 <elfy> ha ha
16:01 <ochosi> but i dunno if it really needs special testing as soon as it's established that the approach works
16:01 <ochosi> most of what's there is the same as in the main image
16:01 <knome> as i very theoretically asked elfy one day:
16:01 <elfy> lol
16:01 <knome> if we tested the core image with installations, would we really need to test the main image?
16:02 <elfy> I gave a theoretical answer based on experience :p
16:02 <knome> because the core is the same, main image just brings applications, which are tested separately anyway..
16:02 <slickymasterWork> not all of them knome
16:02 <knome> slickymasterWork, then we should reconsider what core is
16:02 <knome> but that was just theoretical
16:02 <slickymasterWork> point taken
16:02 <knome> having a smaller image to download for the ISO test might mean more people would be enabled to test
16:03 <knome> *might*
16:03 <knome> but that's the discussion
16:03 <knome> and we definitely should get this on the list for broader discussion within the team
16:03 <slickymasterWork> agreed
16:03 <knome> #action knome to send an email about ISO size target(s)
16:03 * meetingology knome to send an email about ISO size target(s)
16:04 <ochosi> sounds good
16:04 <ochosi> let's do those ML threads after each other though
16:04 <ochosi> and not all at the same time
16:04 <ochosi> (just saying)
16:04 <knome> btw, i don't know if we've the limit to 1Gb in the automatic prober
16:04 <slickymasterWork> knome ^^^:P
16:04 <knome> i mean, the download pages notify when images are too large
16:04 <knome> ochosi, what! :P
16:04 <elfy> ochosi: which mails - ALL of them ?
16:04 <knome> stupid..
16:05 <elfy> I'd say crack the game one out of the way first
16:05 <ochosi> yup
16:05 <elfy> then do ISO size - then push the LO one again
16:05 <knome> ochosi, mister mail scheduler, will you tell me when it's ok to send mail to the list then :P
16:05 <slickymasterWork> and we're still two more to deal with
16:05 <ochosi> hehe
16:05 <elfy> ha ha ha
16:05 <ochosi> just saying, maybe leave a few days between them is all
16:06 <slickymasterWork> ahahaha
16:06 <elfy> :)
16:06 <elfy> the iso size and LO thing can easily move onto 15.10 cycle imho
16:06 <slickymasterWork> and the GIMP one also, IMO
16:07 <elfy> especially given than beta starts soon and I'll be mailing left right and centre :D
16:07 <knome> let's postpone $everything to march 2016
16:07 <knome> elfy, spammer!
16:07 <elfy> ok - so anything else?
16:07 <ochosi> postpone all the things!
16:08 <knome> elfy, yes...
16:08 <knome> time for coffee :P
16:08 <knome> end the meeting!
16:08 <elfy> #action ochosi to postpone all things
16:08 * meetingology ochosi to postpone all things
16:08 <elfy> #undo
16:08 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
16:08 <ochosi> :D
16:08 <knome> what a loved leader is he
16:08 <elfy> #action bluesabre to set up next meeting
16:08 * meetingology bluesabre to set up next meeting
16:08 <elfy> #endmeeting