22:00 <Unit193> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
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22:00 <Unit193> Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting.  Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
22:00 <Unit193> Anyone else here for it?
22:01 <Unit193> Oh yey, at least elfy is here.
22:01 <elfy> yep
22:01 <Unit193> !team | Meeting time
22:01 <ubottu> Meeting time: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193
22:01 <pleia2> o/
22:01 <Unit193> #topic Open action items
22:02 <elfy> just went to check grub ...
22:02 <elfy> as I said earlier - not default ;)
22:02 <Unit193> elfy: Likely wouldn't be, systemd-sysv should be installed for that.
22:02 <Unit193> Alright, so I generally just see "elfy to converse with knome about QA processes"
22:02 <elfy> yep
22:02 <elfy> did that
22:03 <Unit193> Yey!  That's all of them.
22:03 <Unit193> #topic Team updates
22:03 <Unit193> Free for all ^
22:03 <pleia2> #info Received 20 bundles of stickers and Xubuntu stickers from unixstickers.com
22:03 <elfy> \o/
22:03 <pleia2> we can talk about those later :)
22:04 <Unit193> Yep, see that under discussion.
22:04 <Unit193> #info We should have xfce4-panel, xfce4-indicator-plugin, and thunar updates landing soon, new releases from Xfce.
22:04 <Unit193> Anyone else?
22:05 <Unit193> #topic Discussion items
22:05 <elfy> #info 14/300 iso tests done in last 30 days
22:05 <Unit193> Ah, ouch...
22:06 <Unit193> #subtopic Discuss replacing gnome-calculator with galculator
22:06 <pleia2> I haven't done any, will remedy this (particularly as I prep for the QA event in SF next month)
22:06 <Unit193> Anyone there for this one?
22:06 <Unit193> I've done two upgrade tests, that's it.
22:06 <elfy> I thought that that calc issue was going away and so no need to do anything
22:07 <elfy> though I possibly misunderstood
22:07 <pleia2> I've not kept up with it at all
22:07 <Unit193> They may patch it so it doesn't have CSD anymore, which would be the biggest reason to get rid of it.
22:07 <elfy> can't even remember what csd is ...
22:08 <Unit193> One of the two annoying new GNOME features, can't remember either which though.  Alright, so moving on it is...
22:08 <elfy> yep
22:08 <Unit193> #subtopic Alpha2 or ignore and just work with Beta's and Final?
22:09 <elfy> so - given that systemd is NOT default
22:09 <pleia2> seemed to work fine to ignore them last cycle
22:09 <elfy> the only reason that we were possibly going to do A2 was that
22:09 * pleia2 nods
22:09 <elfy> ochosi seems to like the idea of doing it
22:10 <elfy> so does slickymaster
22:10 <elfy> I don't - lot of work for little gain - and ^^ for the main reason to not
22:10 <elfy> though ochosi did point to gtk3 updates landed
22:11 <Unit193> Yes, yes they did.  Some things seem a little..off.
22:11 <elfy> but we've got a week to make a decision
22:11 <Unit193> Indeed.  I just defer to you on it.
22:11 <knome> huh
22:11 <knome> hello
22:11 <Unit193> knome: Hello!
22:11 <pleia2> hey knome
22:11 <knome> fwiw, i'm still sick, so mostly watching
22:12 <elfy> we'd need to have a decision 19th re A2
22:12 <elfy> knome: hi and :(
22:12 <Unit193> elfy: Otherwise, we have had a few xfce packages land, and are about to have a few more.
22:12 <Unit193> Anything else under this subtopic?
22:12 <elfy> Unit193: properly land?
22:12 <Unit193> elfy: Yes.
22:12 <elfy> k
22:12 <knome> from what i've seen, probably better skip a2
22:13 <knome> we can probably use the time and effort better testing on something specific
22:13 <elfy> frankly - it might be good to try and get things from staging into default - then I can see a reason
22:13 <knome> can people confirm they'll have time to do that?
22:14 <elfy> that said - it might be good to do A2 - so that when there isn't sufficient testing then everyone will know I was serious about blocking release
22:14 <Unit193> knome: Two systems I use are already on vivid, so it's a lot easier to test specifics than installs.
22:15 <elfy> knome: I guess that's down to ochosi and bluesabre mostly
22:15 <knome> elfy, i agree people need to take the possibility of blocking seriously, but otoh, i don't think that's the right way to go with it
22:16 <knome> elfy, want to take an action item before next week to ask dev people if they want to do the a2 release, or shall i?
22:16 <elfy> I'm happy to do that
22:16 <knome> cheers
22:17 <knome> #elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2
22:17 <Unit193> Need #action
22:17 <knome> lol
22:17 <knome> brain not working
22:18 <knome> #action elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2
22:18 * meetingology elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2
22:18 <Unit193> #subtopic We have stickers for QA contributors! Next step?
22:18 <Unit193> See: http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
22:18 <Unit193> pleia2: ^
22:18 <pleia2> right-o
22:18 <pleia2> so now that I have a pile of these, we should do the thing
22:18 <knome> i would say set it up for next milestone we're releasing
22:19 <knome> or, simply target beta 1
22:19 <elfy> target B1
22:19 <knome> so we have enough time to inform people
22:19 <pleia2> will it only be testers for B1, or anyone who has tested up to and including B1?
22:19 <elfy> pleia2: well - off the top of my head
22:19 <elfy> and if we DO say that -team are excluded
22:20 <elfy> then we are talking about PaulW2U
22:20 <elfy> for the cycle up to now
22:21 <knome> otoh... it's not work in vain
22:21 <elfy> we really need to finalise who is counted
22:21 <pleia2> well, the point is to encourage other folks, so it won't just be Paul :)
22:21 <knome> we can take those into account
22:21 <knome> and if paul doesn't win, also send him the sticker the first time
22:21 <knome> done
22:21 <elfy> we can do that
22:21 <pleia2> we should have several "winners"
22:21 <pleia2> I have 20 of these things
22:21 <knome> lol
22:22 <pleia2> at least 5 for the cycle I'd say
22:22 <elfy> but we need to once it's going have finite times
22:22 <knome> pleia2, the point is to do that for each milestone
22:22 <pleia2> so 3 for each then
22:22 <knome> pleia2, so a1, a2, b1, b2, final are possible per cycle
22:22 <elfy> eg - after b1 - the next is for the next month - and on
22:22 <knome> oh, month
22:22 <pleia2> a1 is already gone
22:22 <knome> i thought it was release, nvm :)
22:23 <knome> pleia2, i'll tell you a secret... there will be another release cycle
22:23 <pleia2> I'm playing this cycle by cycle, not so far in the future
22:23 <pleia2> would be nice to give a sticker set to our QA lead and project lead too, off-band ;)
22:23 <elfy> knome: there was - monthly, then milestones, then release - rinse repeat
22:23 <knome> right, that works
22:23 <knome> i was just misremembering
22:23 <knome> and my head is full of snot
22:24 <pleia2> ew
22:24 <knome> i'm sorry
22:24 <knome> dead brain cells then if that's better
22:24 <elfy> and the same for packages
22:24 <knome> what if we simply made b1 the first target
22:24 <knome> and see how it goes
22:24 <elfy> wfm
22:24 <ochosi> o/
22:24 <knome> i can still do those digital certificates
22:24 * ochosi reads backlog...
22:25 <knome> and the custom wallpaper for the release winner(s)
22:25 <elfy> but we do need to do it monthly afterwards imo
22:25 <pleia2> I'll send along a hand-written thank you as well
22:25 <knome> pleia2, ++
22:25 <elfy> milestones being seperately counted within the month
22:25 <knome> elfy, that works for me, as long as we just get it started :)
22:25 <elfy> yea ...
22:25 <pleia2> elfy: can you add a proposed schedule to the etherpad?
22:26 <knome> or a new google cal :)
22:26 <elfy> #action elfy Add proposed schedule to incentive pad
22:26 * meetingology elfy Add proposed schedule to incentive pad
22:26 <elfy> pleia2: yea - but not today :)
22:26 <elfy> hi ochosi
22:27 <elfy> I think XPL and QA Lead should get t-shirt not stickers :p
22:27 <ochosi> huhu
22:27 <pleia2> elfy: thanks, no rush :) once we have some dates, we can decide how many "winners" each one and prep the blog post
22:27 <ochosi> ok, caught up nw
22:27 <pleia2> I only have one t-shirt and it's mine :D
22:28 <pleia2> we can get more, but have to buy them and shipping
22:28 <knome> i have moolah
22:28 <elfy> lol
22:28 <elfy> really not serious :)
22:28 <pleia2> it's a nice t-shirt though, we should link it to our site now that I've confirmed
22:28 <ochosi> yup
22:28 <ochosi> sounds good
22:28 <pleia2> fits nice, feels nice
22:28 <knome> tbh, sending a t-shirt for everybody who sticked along for a long enough time (tm) should get one
22:29 <knome> *would be fair
22:29 <ochosi> poor knome can't write/think anymore
22:29 <knome> i don't need one if people think i just want one free myself
22:29 <knome> :P
22:29 <ochosi> get well again soon! :)
22:29 <elfy> :)
22:29 <knome> trying to..
22:30 <ochosi> yeah, actually it would be a nice gesture
22:30 <ochosi> can we ask for donations for something like that?
22:30 * ochosi always brings up the uncomfortable donations topic
22:30 <knome> lol
22:30 <knome> that's ok
22:33 <knome> pleia2, get everyone to one conf
22:33 <Unit193> #chair knome
22:33 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome
22:33 <pleia2> knome: that might be too much
22:33 <Unit193> knome: Only lost a little log, then.  Nice.
22:33 <pleia2> unless some of us are going anyway
22:33 <knome> pleia2, like you? ;)
22:33 <pleia2> usually me
22:33 <knome> bluesabre is teh problem case
22:33 <ochosi> pleia2: had i known, i had gone to fosdem...
22:34 <pleia2> ochosi: they sound out talk acceptences quite late, so I didn't know until I mentioned it here-ish :\
22:34 <knome> anyway
22:34 <pleia2> anyway, that's a tangent
22:34 <pleia2> sounds like we have a plan for stickers
22:34 <knome> ochosi, how's the xfce bountysource stuff going?
22:35 <Unit193> knome: Perhaps that should go in AOB?
22:35 <ochosi> quite good actually
22:35 <ochosi> lemme quickly check the funds
22:36 <knome> Unit193, maybe.
22:36 <knome> ochosi, i was asking because i was wondering if that was a realistic target for our "own" money
22:36 <ochosi> about 1000$ for the team
22:36 <ochosi> and 350$ on bugs
22:37 <ochosi> so the 1000$ can be spent by the team for various causes, incl conferences or hackatons i think
22:37 <ochosi> or as regular bug bounties
22:37 <ochosi> the 350$ are bound to specific bugs
22:37 <pleia2> nice
22:38 <ochosi> so from my pov that was a success
22:38 <knome> good
22:38 <ochosi> it should be managed more actively though
22:38 <ochosi> but that's a different story
22:38 <knome> yep
22:39 <Unit193> #topic Announcements
22:41 <ochosi> #info More gtk3.14 theming fixes are about to come to greybird and numix in the near future
22:41 <ochosi> that's about it from my side
22:41 <ochosi> the rest is playing catch-up with what happened or didn't over the holidays
22:41 <Unit193> The Calendar isn't loading properly for me, but there's a CC catch up coming up, IIRC.
22:42 <elfy> 15th
22:42 <knome> yup, 15th
22:42 <knome> 17utc
22:43 <Unit193> #info Community council catch-up is on the 15th, at 17utc.
22:43 <Unit193> Cool, any more?
22:43 <pleia2> I'm all done
22:43 <knome> i'm all done as well .P
22:43 <elfy> same
22:44 <Unit193> So next up to schedule next meeting: Slickymaster!
22:44 <Unit193> #endmeeting