11:00 <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 11:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 13 11:00:17 2014 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 11:00 <meetingology> 11:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 11:00 <bluesabre> good morning folks, who's around? 11:04 <bluesabre> today might be a reschedule... 11:04 <dkessel> o/ 11:04 <bluesabre> ohai 11:05 <slickymasterWork> hey guys 11:05 <bluesabre> hey dkessel, slickymasterWork 11:05 <bluesabre> we'll give it a few minutes and see if people start to trickle in before starting 11:05 <slickymasterWork> so, no one else around, besides us? 11:06 <bluesabre> Unit193 is lurking in -ot 11:06 <slickymasterWork> yeah, I was going to as if Unit193 isn't still awake :P 11:06 <slickymasterWork> s/to as /to ask 11:06 <Unit193> Zombie mode, biting and all. 11:07 <slickymasterWork> heh fortunately we are immunized Unit193 11:08 <bluesabre> Alrighty, let's get started then 11:08 <bluesabre> #topic Open action items 11:09 <bluesabre> slickymasterWork, you've got one on the list, progress? 11:10 <slickymasterWork> just a sec bluesabre 11:10 <elfy> hi - be 2 minutes 11:11 <slickymasterWork> #info slickymaster started the calls for "translations important for xubuntu" 11:11 <slickymasterWork> I'm planning to run two more calls until the end of the cycle 11:12 <bluesabre> awesome 11:12 <bluesabre> I guess you can probably #done that one for now 11:13 <slickymasterWork> #done slickymaster to start a series of run calls for "translations important for xubuntu" list defined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes#Package_translations 11:13 <bluesabre> thanks :) 11:13 <bluesabre> we'll wait for elfy 11:13 <elfy> here now 11:14 <bluesabre> cool, action items? 11:14 <elfy> all done 11:15 <elfy> #done mail the -devel list to garner comment on pad 11:15 <elfy> #done mail -devel re where we support testers 11:15 <elfy> and more formalized proposal about the QA process is more or less done but not on wiki yet 11:16 <bluesabre> sweet 11:16 <bluesabre> that could ne #info'd if you want 11:16 <elfy> or carry on the existing action 11:17 <bluesabre> that too 11:17 <bluesabre> alrighty then 11:17 <elfy> #action elfy and knome to complete the QA processes change 11:17 * meetingology elfy and knome to complete the QA processes change 11:17 <bluesabre> great 11:17 <bluesabre> #topic Team updates 11:18 <elfy> I got a few 11:18 <bluesabre> #info Vivid should no longer have pink highlights except for the slideshow 11:18 <bluesabre> go ahead 11:18 <elfy> #info QA waiting on main -release team to start scheduling cycle 11:18 <elfy> #info some image testing happening 11:19 <elfy> #info some package testing happening 11:19 <elfy> #info package testing finding odd issues with testcases - bug's being reported/dealt with 11:19 <elfy> done 11:19 <bluesabre> cool 11:19 <qwebirc88404> sigh 11:20 <elfy> wb qwebirc88404 - not seen you since yesterday :D 11:20 <qwebirc88404> #info slickymaster updated Debian screenshots for Xfce/important packages~ 11:20 <bluesabre> slickymaster, thanks for that :) 11:21 <bluesabre> #info Development is picking up on light-locker, new dev release expected soonish 11:22 <bluesabre> otherwise, development is a bit slow atm for our team 11:24 <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to improve widget naming in Catfish to aid autopilot 11:24 * meetingology bluesabre to improve widget naming in Catfish to aid autopilot 11:24 <elfy> \o/ 11:24 <dkessel> :) 11:24 <slickymasterWork> heh 11:24 <bluesabre> hopefully that will happen tonight 11:25 <bluesabre> anything else for team updates? 11:26 <elfy> not sure there are any other team people about 11:26 <bluesabre> fair enough 11:26 <bluesabre> #topic Announcements 11:27 <elfy> never understood why that's not last :p 11:27 <bluesabre> same here 11:27 <bluesabre> #info Ubuntu Online Summit (UOS) started yesterday, continues through tomorrow 11:27 <elfy> or penultimate at least 11:28 <elfy> I'm hoping to be floating about during the release planning one - but no guarantees 11:29 <bluesabre> I won't be... hopefully we'll get an idea of the timeframes for gtk 3.14 and systemd (and any other highly breakable updates) 11:29 <elfy> yep 11:30 <bluesabre> if no other announcements, we can start discussion 11:30 <elfy> go for it :) 11:30 <bluesabre> #topic Discussion 11:30 <elfy> shall we move the settings manager one up to top while slickymasterWork is here 11:31 <bluesabre> probably a good idea 11:31 <elfy> :) 11:31 <slickymasterWork> actually I think we should postponed that item 11:31 <slickymasterWork> we're just three, doesn't seem to make much sense discuss it 11:32 <slickymasterWork> we know for moment that neither knome and ochosi have any strong opinions on the subject 11:32 <elfy> ok - but ftr I am -1 to removing from whiskermenu - for when it does get discussed and I'm not here :) 11:33 <Unit193> The idea is to remove "Settings Manager" from the menu? -1 11:33 <bluesabre> I would also be -1. I'm rather fond of the quick access settings manager 11:33 <slickymasterWork> I'm 0 on it 11:34 <bluesabre> we can carry on the discussion throughout the day, it's a relatively low-impact change 11:34 <slickymasterWork> yes 11:35 <dkessel> i think that in the end, there should only be one way to access the settings. either from the menu category "settings", or from the "settings manager" button 11:36 <bluesabre> I see benefit in both... having it searchable in whisker, or being able to open the settings manager. Different folks might prefer one or the other 11:37 <bluesabre> #action -team to further discuss potential removal of Settings Manager from Whisker Menu 11:37 * meetingology -team to further discuss potential removal of Settings Manager from Whisker Menu 11:37 <elfy> dkessel: not sure - the price of removing settings from the 'list' is you can't access specific items 11:37 <dkessel> oh ok.... 11:37 <elfy> price of removing the quick button, you can't do a bunch of things concurrently without going back to the menu 11:38 <elfy> my point on this item - we shouldn't be removing things to deal with doc ambiguity - ever 11:38 <dkessel> yeah and i haven't thought about the search feature. i guess you're right. people coming from some other os will expect to be able to search for settings 11:38 <elfy> doc should reflect what we have and want 11:38 <elfy> but - let's move on I guess 11:39 <bluesabre> alrighty 11:39 <bluesabre> So, blueprints 11:39 <bluesabre> On the dev side, these are in a pretty healthy state. Items are being added and updated by the team, so that's been pleasant :) 11:40 <elfy> qa ones are pretty much the same as ever - nothing new there nor expected to be 11:41 * bluesabre should surprise the qa blueprints 11:41 <elfy> go for it :p 11:42 <bluesabre> looks like artwork has been going smoothly. We already have all of our themes patched for gtk 3.14, so when that lands we'll upgrade the package 11:43 <bluesabre> er, most of the themes anyway 11:44 <bluesabre> and I think its safe to say we can't really discuss the other ones without knome/pleia2 11:44 <elfy> oh - quick question while I think about it please 11:44 <bluesabre> go ahead 11:45 <elfy> easy way to see changelogs on ppa updates :) 11:45 <bluesabre> PPAs don't support changelogs for daily builds, but other packages we upload will have them 11:46 <bluesabre> I think 11:46 <elfy> so - mucking about at lp in the ppa to dig out is best way? 11:46 <bluesabre> maybe PPAs don't support them at all... will take a look to see the current status 11:46 <elfy> bluesabre: generally not in my experience 11:47 <bluesabre> elfy: I might set up something to at least see the git changelogs somewhere 11:47 <elfy> ok - not a biggy, I've been endin up at something like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/190266350/mousepad_0.3.0%2Bgit-0~709~ubuntu15.04.1_0.3.0%2Bgit-0~710~ubuntu15.04.1.diff.gz 11:47 <elfy> via lp and then more or less working it out :) 11:48 <bluesabre> ok 11:48 <elfy> bluesabre: thanks - let's move on :) 11:48 <bluesabre> Any further planning to plan at this time? 11:49 <elfy> not that I'm aware of 11:49 <bluesabre> Unit193: anything we need to watch for potentially landing in debian? 11:49 <bluesabre> and then syncing over to vivid 11:50 <Unit193> I think I made a note of something minor, don't know what. 11:50 <bluesabre> ok 11:50 <bluesabre> :) 11:50 <bluesabre> "Core is set for daily only, what about milestones?" 11:51 <bluesabre> I see some comments on the pad for that one http://pad.ubuntu.com/vivid-QA-plan 11:51 <elfy> yea 11:52 <bluesabre> Sounds like daily is fine then, or specific calls as needed? 11:52 <elfy> yep 11:53 <elfy> Unit193's baby that is :) 11:53 <bluesabre> "it's so precious" 11:53 <bluesabre> :P 11:53 <elfy> heh 11:53 <bluesabre> "Change application testing to a more 'exploratory system'" 11:54 <elfy> that's a fairly big change 11:54 <elfy> going to mail list about it soonish but ... 11:54 <elfy> plan is to NOT call for packages as we did last cycle 11:54 <elfy> call a few times just to get people using vivid to drop by the tracker and report 11:55 <elfy> mail testers about staging ppa and the need for testing as things need it 11:55 <slickymasterWork> yeah, but packages testing does need some sort of a boost 11:55 <slickymasterWork> there are too few of us making them 11:55 <elfy> try and get 'dev' to talk to 'qa' as things need testing :) 11:56 <bluesabre> ok, sounds reasonable to me (and like less of a headache for you) 11:56 <elfy> slickymasterWork: yea - but as we're just in a mid lts cycle I'm willing to try it - it can't be worse than 14.10 cycle 11:56 <bluesabre> elfy: don't jinx it 11:56 <slickymasterWork> lol 11:57 <elfy> it won't be worse - at least one has more than last cycle bluesabre :) 11:57 <bluesabre> we don't know how bad it can get just yet :) 11:57 <bluesabre> lol 11:57 <elfy> anyway action me to mail list re that 11:57 <knome> hmmh 11:57 <bluesabre> #action elfy to mail list regarding application testing in a more exploratory system 11:57 * meetingology elfy to mail list regarding application testing in a more exploratory system 11:58 <bluesabre> #chair elfy 11:58 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre elfy 11:58 <bluesabre> #chair knome 11:58 <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre elfy knome 11:59 <bluesabre> anybody else want a seat? :) 11:59 <elfy> heh 11:59 <bluesabre> anything else to add to the discussion? 11:59 <ObrienDave> thanks but no thanks ;p 11:59 <elfy> bluesabre: not at present 11:59 <bluesabre> knome: blueprints stuff from your side? 12:01 <bluesabre> guessing not 12:01 <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting 12:01 <bluesabre> next lucky person is.... 12:02 <bluesabre> if ubuntu wiki ever loads.... 12:03 <bluesabre> the suspense is killing me 12:03 <elfy> knome is next 12:03 <bluesabre> thanks 12:03 <bluesabre> #action knome to schedule next meeting 12:03 * meetingology knome to schedule next meeting 12:03 <bluesabre> #endmeeting