18:00 #startmeeting 18:00 Meeting started Wed Oct 1 18:00:24 2014 UTC. The chair is slickymasterWork. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:00 18:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 18:00 I'll try to participate somehow today. If I can... 18:00 o/ 18:00 So who's here for the meeting? 18:00 possibly :) 18:00 #chair knome pleia2 18:00 Current chairs: knome pleia2 slickymasterWork 18:01 * dkessel 18:02 with just three attendants it will be a quick one I guess :P 18:02 ignoring me then are you :| 18:02 knome, ping 18:03 now elfy, you were included in those three, with pleia2 and dkessel 18:03 s/now/no 18:03 anyway 18:03 #topic Open action items 18:04 I guess the only open item is QA Incentives 18:04 http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive 18:04 not sure why that's still there tbh 18:04 I still have to contact the sticker folks 18:05 should have a plan for when they say "sure, we'll send you X, where to?" 18:05 I can be the sticker mule and ship them out from here 18:05 thanks for that pleia2 18:05 hmm that pad does not state the goal of the incentives intiative, or does it? 18:06 the goal is to make people do testing ;) 18:06 define testing 18:06 dkessel: check out the numbers of people testing - should be self-explanatory then 18:06 run manual tests? 18:06 yes, increase the number of reported tests 18:06 and images 18:06 package and iso tests 18:07 ok ok. i was not part of the discussion that lead to that pad ;) 18:07 see line 3 :) 18:07 making automatic test coverage better could be another goal 18:07 pong 18:08 wb knome ;) 18:08 dkessel: images are tested daily - or should be - that though doesn't mean it catches all bugs with that - reference all the vm bugs, the black background missing and others 18:09 and auto package testing we've been trying to get off the ground for 3 cycles 18:09 that is still currently grinding it's face along the floor 18:09 i remember... 18:09 if only i had more time 18:09 :) 18:10 anyway, per what pleia2 stated I don't think we should consider it as # done 18:10 or does anyone has a different view? 18:11 I agree - but I don't see there's much to be gained by bringing it up each week - unless we just postpone it week by week 18:11 we should split it into action items 18:11 pleia2, knome, what are your views ^^ 18:11 #action pleia2 to contact unixstickers 18:11 * meetingology pleia2 to contact unixstickers 18:11 okie dokie 18:11 moving on 18:12 #topic Team updates 18:12 that's the only urgentish bit - the t-shirts aren't needed till after 15.04 releases 18:12 elfy, beta 2. The floor is yours 18:12 I can go - got mine in a txt file 18:12 #info Final Beta testing 64bit 9 install tests, 6 livesession and 3 post install tests 18:12 #info Final Beta testing 32bit 9 install tests, 7 livesession and 2 post install tests 18:12 #info Final Beta testing Team Testing - (excluding XPL & QA Lead) - 5 team members (50%) tested images during Final Beta, 3 outside team tested. 10 total. 18:12 that's the beta stuff 18:13 #info bug 1375893 needs to be sorted soon 18:13 bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893 18:13 #info vm bug(s) still present - should be fixed tomorrow (2/10) 18:13 done 18:13 well, half of the team did manage to test :) 18:13 \o 18:13 that's an improvement 18:13 not good really - 9 tests for each arch 18:14 those numbers are better then beta1 anyway 18:14 pointless me saying anymore on that 18:14 is that more or less than last cycle averages? 18:14 I would guess that we got more people testing 1 milestone last cycle than we've had test the whole of this cycle 18:14 thats quite bad 18:15 yeah, but last cycle was a LTS one 18:15 yep - I've given up tbh - I just send the calls out because I said I would 18:15 yes, LTS+1 is always slow and quiet 18:15 and someone should 18:15 still more or less afk 18:15 thats understable elfy 18:15 knome: that may be so - but I expect more from -team 18:16 some haven't tested and reported all cycle 18:16 I shouldn't have to ask team seperately 18:17 and that's to be expected elfy. -team should set an example 18:17 yes, agree, and i'm sorry 18:17 move on to whoever else has team updates 18:17 knome: I'm not pointing fingers at *anyone* - team is team 18:17 pleia2, any marketing updates? 18:17 yes, we should get better with 15.04... 18:17 #info knome and pleia2 working to engage users more with #LoveXubuntu idea: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Nl1LbS6DqL 18:18 I think that's it for now 18:19 yep, will put some time to that 18:19 never seen that 18:19 * slickymasterWork neither 18:19 well, that's a new idea;) 18:20 it evolved out of some engagement discussions in the spring, we finally came up with an idea ;) 18:20 should perhaps have been on agenda or should be in future then 18:20 it's not happening immediately, just a quick fyi now, we'll flesh it out and agendaize it later 18:20 k 18:21 ok, I think we can safely skip 'Announcements' or does anyone have any? 18:21 right 18:21 #topic Discussion 18:21 #subtopic list of projects we need/want to maintain translations 18:22 so, with the intention of encouraging people to translate, knome come up with the idea of either creating a wikipage that lists all software that we ship/care about and where their translations are being done or update the "Get involved" page for translations 18:22 so we sketched up a listing of projects of which translations, Xubuntu care about -> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations 18:22 the idea would be to have a sane list of projects we need/want to maintain translations for 18:22 ^ that list should probably go to the "processes" page 18:23 yes, but firstly I would like that -team would have some sort of an opinion on the list itself 18:24 any takers? 18:24 might have been useful to have it on the agenda - no-one knew you were going to discuss it :) 18:24 yes, but since processes is editable by anyone any time, we should drop that list there soonish 18:24 that's my fault :P 18:24 well it's brought up now P 18:25 currently that list looks sane 18:25 elfy, any app you think that might/ought be added? 18:25 assign a work item to me to send a mail to the list and i'll do that today 18:25 or dropped? 18:26 slickymasterWork: why are the out of scope ones there? 18:26 #action knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations 18:26 * meetingology knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations 18:26 to which ones are you referring elfy ? 18:26 the 4 in the out of scope list 18:27 gimp, abiword, gnumeric and gmb 18:27 those were/are ment for discussion 18:27 still ambivalent about gmb anyway - not sure we should seed that at all 18:27 parole plays music 18:27 elfy, that's another discussion, and i partly agree 18:28 but just plays music 18:28 but let's leave that for some other time 18:28 using the same argument that we used for xchat/pidgin - we don't need both 18:28 elfy, pidgin is going to be used as IRC interface 18:28 ok - well lets deal with the translations first - sorry :) 18:29 I'll add this item to the agenda for the next meeting 18:29 anything else? 18:29 why not discuss it in a moment? 18:29 sure 18:30 i would suggest including abiword and gnumeric in "Used by Xubuntu" 18:30 as they are the default office applications, and office apps are important for users 18:30 so - translations - I'd guess that those for anything we have as default should be covered 18:30 i'll send comments on the mail for the reason why they are not on the list 18:30 elfy, you/we can discuss gmb now, but i'm more or less off 18:30 if it's an issue of people and time - that's something else 18:31 so it wouldn't be very sensible... 18:31 knome: that could be said for any discussion we have where we've only got 2 or 3 people kicking about 18:31 it's that; and gnome has it's own translation teams, and i don't think translating gnumeric/abiword is the #1 item for our translators who already are limited and have limited time 18:32 knome: ok - I can ack that concern completely 18:32 elfy, i'm not saying you can't have the discussion, but i can't bring any thoughts in it :) 18:32 but as i said, yes, we should consider dropping gmb 18:32 though i'd like *some* media player that handles *collections* in some way as a replacement 18:32 ok, then it is sane to only list default apps where there are not many people currently involved with translations... 18:32 but that's something i don't have time to argument for 18:32 the way I see that list has to be a compromise between the perspective of newly come into xubuntu/linux ecosystem users and what existing xubuntu users are interested in 18:33 I'd be happier perhaps to see the out of scope items called when we've got time :) 18:33 the #1 thing to translate is the xubuntu documentation 18:33 then we got all the core components + xfce 18:33 then everything else that's seeded in xubuntu 18:33 and then everything in the repository 18:33 it's up to the -team to prioritize the translations elfy 18:33 I've not got a problem with saying foo is more important to us than bar 18:33 there will *always* be fallback items 18:34 out of scope just suggests never to me :) 18:34 and there is always people who rather use their time translating gnumeric than xubuntu docs, so *shrug* 18:34 and we must not forget that all xfce stuff is already covered by https://wiki.xfce.org/translations 18:34 elfy, yes, they wouldn't be on the list if they don't move to any other group :) 18:35 as it stands - that list looks sane to me in general 18:35 pleia2 what's your take on this? 18:36 mm, okay. Anything else? 18:37 right, so who's next chairing? 18:37 pleia2 18:37 pleia2, want to schedule now? 18:38 lol, she fall asleep :) 18:38 #action pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. 18:38 * meetingology pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. 18:38 that's it 18:38 #endmeeting