18:00 <slickymasterWork> #startmeeting 18:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Oct 1 18:00:24 2014 UTC. The chair is slickymasterWork. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:00 <meetingology> 18:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 18:00 <dkessel> I'll try to participate somehow today. If I can... 18:00 <pleia2> o/ 18:00 <slickymasterWork> So who's here for the meeting? 18:00 <elfy> possibly :) 18:00 <slickymasterWork> #chair knome pleia2 18:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: knome pleia2 slickymasterWork 18:01 * dkessel 18:02 <slickymasterWork> with just three attendants it will be a quick one I guess :P 18:02 <elfy> ignoring me then are you :| 18:02 <slickymasterWork> knome, ping 18:03 <slickymasterWork> now elfy, you were included in those three, with pleia2 and dkessel 18:03 <slickymasterWork> s/now/no 18:03 <slickymasterWork> anyway 18:03 <slickymasterWork> #topic Open action items 18:04 <slickymasterWork> I guess the only open item is QA Incentives 18:04 <slickymasterWork> http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive 18:04 <elfy> not sure why that's still there tbh 18:04 <pleia2> I still have to contact the sticker folks 18:05 <pleia2> should have a plan for when they say "sure, we'll send you X, where to?" 18:05 <pleia2> I can be the sticker mule and ship them out from here 18:05 <slickymasterWork> thanks for that pleia2 18:05 <dkessel> hmm that pad does not state the goal of the incentives intiative, or does it? 18:06 <pleia2> the goal is to make people do testing ;) 18:06 <dkessel> define testing 18:06 <elfy> dkessel: check out the numbers of people testing - should be self-explanatory then 18:06 <dkessel> run manual tests? 18:06 <slickymasterWork> yes, increase the number of reported tests 18:06 <elfy> and images 18:06 <pleia2> package and iso tests 18:07 <dkessel> ok ok. i was not part of the discussion that lead to that pad ;) 18:07 <pleia2> see line 3 :) 18:07 <dkessel> making automatic test coverage better could be another goal 18:07 <knome> pong 18:08 <slickymasterWork> wb knome ;) 18:08 <elfy> dkessel: images are tested daily - or should be - that though doesn't mean it catches all bugs with that - reference all the vm bugs, the black background missing and others 18:09 <elfy> and auto package testing we've been trying to get off the ground for 3 cycles 18:09 <elfy> that is still currently grinding it's face along the floor 18:09 <dkessel> i remember... 18:09 <dkessel> if only i had more time 18:09 <elfy> :) 18:10 <slickymasterWork> anyway, per what pleia2 stated I don't think we should consider it as # done 18:10 <slickymasterWork> or does anyone has a different view? 18:11 <elfy> I agree - but I don't see there's much to be gained by bringing it up each week - unless we just postpone it week by week 18:11 <pleia2> we should split it into action items 18:11 <slickymasterWork> pleia2, knome, what are your views ^^ 18:11 <pleia2> #action pleia2 to contact unixstickers 18:11 * meetingology pleia2 to contact unixstickers 18:11 <slickymasterWork> okie dokie 18:11 <slickymasterWork> moving on 18:12 <slickymasterWork> #topic Team updates 18:12 <elfy> that's the only urgentish bit - the t-shirts aren't needed till after 15.04 releases 18:12 <slickymasterWork> elfy, beta 2. The floor is yours 18:12 <elfy> I can go - got mine in a txt file 18:12 <elfy> #info Final Beta testing 64bit 9 install tests, 6 livesession and 3 post install tests 18:12 <elfy> #info Final Beta testing 32bit 9 install tests, 7 livesession and 2 post install tests 18:12 <elfy> #info Final Beta testing Team Testing - (excluding XPL & QA Lead) - 5 team members (50%) tested images during Final Beta, 3 outside team tested. 10 total. 18:12 <elfy> that's the beta stuff 18:13 <elfy> #info bug 1375893 needs to be sorted soon 18:13 <ubottu> bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893 18:13 <elfy> #info vm bug(s) still present - should be fixed tomorrow (2/10) 18:13 <elfy> done 18:13 <slickymasterWork> well, half of the team did manage to test :) 18:13 <GridCube> \o 18:13 <slickymasterWork> that's an improvement 18:13 <elfy> not good really - 9 tests for each arch 18:14 <slickymasterWork> those numbers are better then beta1 anyway 18:14 <elfy> pointless me saying anymore on that 18:14 <GridCube> is that more or less than last cycle averages? 18:14 <elfy> I would guess that we got more people testing 1 milestone last cycle than we've had test the whole of this cycle 18:14 <GridCube> thats quite bad 18:15 <slickymasterWork> yeah, but last cycle was a LTS one 18:15 <elfy> yep - I've given up tbh - I just send the calls out because I said I would 18:15 <knome> yes, LTS+1 is always slow and quiet 18:15 <elfy> and someone should 18:15 <knome> still more or less afk 18:15 <GridCube> thats understable elfy 18:15 <elfy> knome: that may be so - but I expect more from -team 18:16 <elfy> some haven't tested and reported all cycle 18:16 <elfy> I shouldn't have to ask team seperately 18:17 <slickymasterWork> and that's to be expected elfy. -team should set an example 18:17 <knome> yes, agree, and i'm sorry 18:17 <elfy> move on to whoever else has team updates 18:17 <elfy> knome: I'm not pointing fingers at *anyone* - team is team 18:17 <slickymasterWork> pleia2, any marketing updates? 18:17 <knome> yes, we should get better with 15.04... 18:17 <pleia2> #info knome and pleia2 working to engage users more with #LoveXubuntu idea: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Nl1LbS6DqL 18:18 <pleia2> I think that's it for now 18:19 <knome> yep, will put some time to that 18:19 <elfy> never seen that 18:19 * slickymasterWork neither 18:19 <knome> well, that's a new idea;) 18:20 <pleia2> it evolved out of some engagement discussions in the spring, we finally came up with an idea ;) 18:20 <elfy> should perhaps have been on agenda or should be in future then 18:20 <pleia2> it's not happening immediately, just a quick fyi now, we'll flesh it out and agendaize it later 18:20 <elfy> k 18:21 <slickymasterWork> ok, I think we can safely skip 'Announcements' or does anyone have any? 18:21 <slickymasterWork> right 18:21 <slickymasterWork> #topic Discussion 18:21 <slickymasterWork> #subtopic list of projects we need/want to maintain translations 18:22 <slickymasterWork> so, with the intention of encouraging people to translate, knome come up with the idea of either creating a wikipage that lists all software that we ship/care about and where their translations are being done or update the "Get involved" page for translations 18:22 <slickymasterWork> so we sketched up a listing of projects of which translations, Xubuntu care about -> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations 18:22 <slickymasterWork> the idea would be to have a sane list of projects we need/want to maintain translations for 18:22 <knome> ^ that list should probably go to the "processes" page 18:23 <slickymasterWork> yes, but firstly I would like that -team would have some sort of an opinion on the list itself 18:24 <slickymasterWork> any takers? 18:24 <elfy> might have been useful to have it on the agenda - no-one knew you were going to discuss it :) 18:24 <knome> yes, but since processes is editable by anyone any time, we should drop that list there soonish 18:24 <slickymasterWork> that's my fault :P 18:24 <knome> well it's brought up now P 18:25 <elfy> currently that list looks sane 18:25 <slickymasterWork> elfy, any app you think that might/ought be added? 18:25 <knome> assign a work item to me to send a mail to the list and i'll do that today 18:25 <slickymasterWork> or dropped? 18:26 <elfy> slickymasterWork: why are the out of scope ones there? 18:26 <slickymasterWork> #action knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations 18:26 * meetingology knome to send a mail to the list regarding list of projects we need/want to maintain translations 18:26 <slickymasterWork> to which ones are you referring elfy ? 18:26 <elfy> the 4 in the out of scope list 18:27 <elfy> gimp, abiword, gnumeric and gmb 18:27 <slickymasterWork> those were/are ment for discussion 18:27 <elfy> still ambivalent about gmb anyway - not sure we should seed that at all 18:27 <elfy> parole plays music 18:27 <knome> elfy, that's another discussion, and i partly agree 18:28 <slickymasterWork> but just plays music 18:28 <knome> but let's leave that for some other time 18:28 <elfy> using the same argument that we used for xchat/pidgin - we don't need both 18:28 <slickymasterWork> elfy, pidgin is going to be used as IRC interface 18:28 <elfy> ok - well lets deal with the translations first - sorry :) 18:29 <slickymasterWork> I'll add this item to the agenda for the next meeting 18:29 <slickymasterWork> anything else? 18:29 <elfy> why not discuss it in a moment? 18:29 <slickymasterWork> sure 18:30 <dkessel> i would suggest including abiword and gnumeric in "Used by Xubuntu" 18:30 <dkessel> as they are the default office applications, and office apps are important for users 18:30 <elfy> so - translations - I'd guess that those for anything we have as default should be covered 18:30 <knome> i'll send comments on the mail for the reason why they are not on the list 18:30 <knome> elfy, you/we can discuss gmb now, but i'm more or less off 18:30 <elfy> if it's an issue of people and time - that's something else 18:31 <knome> so it wouldn't be very sensible... 18:31 <elfy> knome: that could be said for any discussion we have where we've only got 2 or 3 people kicking about 18:31 <knome> it's that; and gnome has it's own translation teams, and i don't think translating gnumeric/abiword is the #1 item for our translators who already are limited and have limited time 18:32 <elfy> knome: ok - I can ack that concern completely 18:32 <knome> elfy, i'm not saying you can't have the discussion, but i can't bring any thoughts in it :) 18:32 <knome> but as i said, yes, we should consider dropping gmb 18:32 <knome> though i'd like *some* media player that handles *collections* in some way as a replacement 18:32 <dkessel> ok, then it is sane to only list default apps where there are not many people currently involved with translations... 18:32 <knome> but that's something i don't have time to argument for 18:32 <slickymasterWork> the way I see that list has to be a compromise between the perspective of newly come into xubuntu/linux ecosystem users and what existing xubuntu users are interested in 18:33 <elfy> I'd be happier perhaps to see the out of scope items called when we've got time :) 18:33 <knome> the #1 thing to translate is the xubuntu documentation 18:33 <knome> then we got all the core components + xfce 18:33 <knome> then everything else that's seeded in xubuntu 18:33 <knome> and then everything in the repository 18:33 <slickymasterWork> it's up to the -team to prioritize the translations elfy 18:33 <elfy> I've not got a problem with saying foo is more important to us than bar 18:33 <knome> there will *always* be fallback items 18:34 <elfy> out of scope just suggests never to me :) 18:34 <knome> and there is always people who rather use their time translating gnumeric than xubuntu docs, so *shrug* 18:34 <slickymasterWork> and we must not forget that all xfce stuff is already covered by https://wiki.xfce.org/translations 18:34 <knome> elfy, yes, they wouldn't be on the list if they don't move to any other group :) 18:35 <elfy> as it stands - that list looks sane to me in general 18:35 <slickymasterWork> pleia2 what's your take on this? 18:36 <slickymasterWork> mm, okay. Anything else? 18:37 <slickymasterWork> right, so who's next chairing? 18:37 <elfy> pleia2 18:37 <slickymasterWork> pleia2, want to schedule now? 18:38 <slickymasterWork> lol, she fall asleep :) 18:38 <slickymasterWork> #action pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. 18:38 * meetingology pleia2 to schedule the next meeting. 18:38 <slickymasterWork> that's it 18:38 <slickymasterWork> #endmeeting