19:00 <pleia2> #startmeeting 19:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 3 19:00:26 2014 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:00 <meetingology> 19:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:01 <pleia2> Our last meeting info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2014-03-27 19:01 <knome> pleia2, <3 19:01 <pleia2> #topic #Team Updates 19:01 <pleia2> #topic Team Updates 19:02 <pleia2> (we'll talk about the ibus thing later) 19:02 <pleia2> any updates? 19:02 <knome> i don't have much updates 19:02 <knome> #info Wallpaper is still waiting for an upload 19:02 <pleia2> #info ochosi drafted post about screen locker 19:02 <pleia2> those with access, review would be appreciated :) 19:03 <knome> #info knome has worked on the website code a bit and planning to land a new revision to production before release 19:03 <knome> i've reviewed that article once, can do again when/if more changes are introduced 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 2 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 5 total incl 3 LTS to LTS 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 7 total incl 5 LTS to LTS 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Repeating upgrade test call - including -users 19:03 <pleia2> \o/ 19:03 <knome> cool, better than i thought ;) 19:03 <knome> but still room for improvement 19:03 <elfy> pleia2: I looked too - did as I promised ochosi and added a bit re screensaver and ligtlocker 19:04 <pleia2> elfy: oh good, those were good additions 19:04 <elfy> knome: yea - as I said I'll call again and include -users this time 19:04 <pleia2> any other updates? 19:04 <knome> well, people have worked on bugs 19:05 <knome> i can't see much other news really 19:05 * pleia2 nods 19:05 <bluesabre> o/ 19:05 <pleia2> #topic IBus issue update 19:05 <knome> hey bluesabre 19:05 <bluesabre> hey everyone 19:05 <pleia2> I chatted with knome and elfy about this this morning, elfy is following up with a couple folks dholbach recommended talking to 19:05 <pleia2> welcome bluesabre 19:06 <bluesabre> I'm partially here :) 19:06 <knome> bluesabre, tell us some tips to being in multiple places at once after the meeting please ;) 19:06 <elfy> currently talking to seb bacher 19:06 <pleia2> elfy: yay! 19:06 <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 19:07 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed] 19:07 <elfy> seb128> elfy, I guess if I say 'patches are welcome' it doesn't help you? 19:07 <jhenke> is there a realistic chance the issue get fixed before april 17th? 19:07 <pleia2> the bug in question, which pretty much broke on all the flavors 19:07 <knome> except kubuntu ;) 19:08 <knome> jhenke, it's really hard to assess that, depends how seriously canonical employees are taking the issue (and the policy to have to fix what you broke, even if it doesn't affect you) 19:09 <jhenke> knome okay, but I guess that is the core question about the issue 19:09 <Unit193> Could just drop it like a hot potato. 19:10 <knome> we can avoid the issue by not seeding ibus by default, but that might make some other people less happy 19:10 <pleia2> what is it needed for? 19:10 <jhenke> I think some languages, especially asian ones, need it to write their letters 19:11 <jhenke> e.g. chinese letters, but also vietnamse can be written by it 19:11 <pleia2> ah, yeah that's important 19:11 <jhenke> as those languages do not nessesary have all their letters mapped to keybard keys 19:12 <pleia2> the rest of the Ubuntu CC will help nudge this along if elfy hits a wall 19:12 <pleia2> anything else on this topic? 19:13 <jhenke> well it seriously breaks xubuntu on default for everybody 19:13 <jhenke> but I guess that is known... 19:13 * jhenke hides 19:15 <pleia2> indeed, it's bad 19:15 <elfy> can those with access - give the QA recap blog article a once over - it's done - except for last minute number crunching 19:15 <pleia2> elfy: can they revert the patch that broke it and make them come up with another solution? :) 19:15 <bluesabre> elfy: I'll try to take a look tonight 19:16 <elfy> cheers 19:16 <pleia2> thanks for chasing this down, elfy 19:16 <pleia2> #topic Other business 19:17 <pleia2> anything else? 19:17 <brainwash> they also changed indicator-sound, so it's now unchecked in autostart applications and the user needs to enable it, otherwise it won't launch automatically on session start 19:17 <elfy> we might return to it shortly ... 19:17 <pleia2> "they"? 19:18 <brainwash> indicator devs 19:18 <brainwash> ubuntu guys 19:18 <brainwash> "they" 19:18 <knome> why? 19:18 <brainwash> I don't know 19:18 <bluesabre> definitely not to troll us... 19:18 <pleia2> lol 19:18 <bluesabre> but since xfce and unity are the only ones that use indicator-sound... it seems odd 19:19 <bluesabre> (to my understanding) 19:19 <brainwash> we should either stop using the upstart user session or use upstart to launch the indicator stack 19:20 * Unit193 is still confused as to why we use the upstart user session. 19:20 <brainwash> or blacklist the upstart launcher for indicator-sound 19:20 <brainwash> it's complicated 19:21 <brainwash> Unit193: because we did not tell them, that we don't want to use it 19:21 <Unit193> brainwash: And the benefit of using it is? To restart things if they crash? 19:22 <brainwash> user upstart job management 19:22 <brainwash> not sure if xubuntu/xfce actually benefits from it 19:25 <pleia2> anything else we need to talk about? 19:26 <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone 19:26 <bluesabre> quick q 19:26 <pleia2> sure 19:27 <bluesabre> has anybody made progress on the ubiquity wallpaper? I think its assigned to xnox, right? 19:27 <bluesabre> or has that already been discussed? :) 19:27 <brainwash> ochosi has added a comment to the bug report 19:27 <elfy> bug number ? 19:28 <brainwash> bug 1284910 19:28 <ubottu> bug 1284910 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Beta 1 and Beta 2 installer has debian background wallpaper" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284910 19:28 <lenny> critical? :P 19:29 <pleia2> it does look pretty bad 19:29 <bluesabre> we're quite partial to our wallpapers :) 19:29 <pleia2> not thrilled with so obviously shipping debian branding in xubuntu either 19:30 <Unit193> Debian wallpaper doesn't really bother me, kind of funny. 19:30 <lenny> dpkg -l | grep debian 19:30 <lenny> ii debianutils 4.4 amd64 Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian 19:30 <lenny> ii gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3:amd64 0.10.23.debian-3 amd64 Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 0.10 plugin 19:30 <lenny> ii gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3:amd64 0.10.23.debian-3 amd64 Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 1.0 plugin 19:30 <elfy> is the installed wallpaper issue effectively the same one ? 19:30 <lenny> ii intltool-debian 0.35.0+20060710.1 all Help i18n of RFC822 compliant config files 19:30 <pleia2> I love debian, but we aren't debian, it is bad for both of us 19:30 <lenny> ii libcdparanoia0:amd64 3.10.2+debian-11 amd64 audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (library) 19:30 <lenny> ii libgdome2-0 0.8.1+debian-6 amd64 DOM level2 library for accessing XML files 19:30 <lenny> ii libparse-debianchangelog-perl 1.2.0-1ubuntu1 all parse Debian changelogs and output them in other formats 19:30 <lenny> ii libparted0debian1:amd64 2.3-18 amd64 disk partition manipulator - shared library 19:30 <lenny> ii libsdl1.2debian:amd64 1.2.15-8ubuntu1 amd64 Simple DirectMedia Layer 19:30 <elfy> lenny: did you really have to do that :| 19:30 <lenny> ii python-debian 0.1.21+nmu2ubuntu2 all Python modules to work with Debian-related data formats 19:30 <pleia2> lenny: please stop 19:31 <lenny> sorry, didn't mean to do all in seperate 19:31 <pleia2> that's not "obvious" 19:31 <pleia2> a big wallpaper in our installer is 19:31 <lenny> yeah, I guess 19:31 <jhenke> lenny we all know that there are plenty of packets with debian references, not the poin here 19:32 <bluesabre> first impressions are important 19:32 * pleia2 nods 19:32 <Unit193> Sadly, yes, yes they are. 19:33 <bluesabre> ok, well I don't have anything else to add 19:33 <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone 19:33 <knome> thanks pleia2 19:33 <pleia2> #endmeeting