17:00 <knome> #startmeeting Docs sprint
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17:00 <knome> #topic Ubiquity slideshow
17:00 <knome> i want to go through three steps:
17:00 <pleia2> oh, I thought we were already doing this :)
17:00 <knome> 1) check if we have all the *slides* we want, or we want to extend
17:01 <knome> 2) check if the artwork is suitable, the layouts work etc.
17:01 <knome> 3) review the content on the current slides thoroughly (which we were already doing)
17:01 <knome> #subtopic Review slides
17:02 <knome> so... feedback?
17:02 <knome> do we want a slide on desktop (theme) customizing?
17:02 * ochosi pulls the last rev
17:03 <pleia2> I think the panel one is sufficient
17:03 <pleia2> customizing is too complicated for a slide
17:03 <ochosi> i think knome was thinking "colorizing"
17:03 <ochosi> which is mostly what "gtk-theme-config" does
17:03 <knome> what about highlighting the possibility to do that, and then pointing to the docs?
17:03 <ochosi> (despite itsname)
17:03 <knome> gtk-theme-config and the other appearance settings, yeah
17:04 <knome> 18:48  knome: bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
17:04 <knome> 18:48  knome: cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
17:04 <knome> 18:48  knome: ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
17:05 <knome> ochosi, ^
17:05 <ochosi> ty
17:05 * ochosi just came home, so still a bit lagging behind
17:06 <jjfrv8> right now there's some overlap between Keep track... and Make the desktop... maybe move all the menu stuff to one slide and do desktop theme on the other?
17:06 <knome> just pushed rev601
17:06 <knome> jjfrv8, sounds good to me
17:06 <knome> others agree?
17:07 <ochosi> (still branching...)
17:08 <slickymasterWork> knome: pong
17:08 <knome> slickymasterWork, you just stepped into a sprint ;)
17:08 <knome> pleia2, what do you think?
17:09 <slickymasterWork> sorry, had two juggle a few issues in between
17:09 <slickymasterWork> s/two/to
17:09 <pleia2> I liked having them separate, they felt like different things to me
17:10 <knome> the other argument for merging is that then the "make the..." could have some cool color artwork.
17:10 <knome> and the "keep track..." could lose the biiiiig menu shot.
17:10 <pleia2> this menu is new this release, I like having it
17:10 <knome> though the shot is not current
17:10 <pleia2> maybe drop it next release, but I don't want it to be a surprise to people when they load up their desktop (still might be, but we try)
17:11 <knome> so we should take a new shot
17:11 <pleia2> yeah
17:12 <slickymasterWork> regarding the xubuntu desktop slide (the 2nd one), don't you think it's a bit heavy
17:12 <slickymasterWork> ?
17:12 <knome> so, are you still against putting the menulibre stuff there?
17:12 <knome> slickymasterWork, we could try to add more padding
17:13 <slickymasterWork> couldn't some of the text be cutted?
17:13 <slickymasterWork> I mean truncated
17:14 <slickymasterWork> that all explanation about the top panel is in the docs anyway and IMO it seems that it's a bit too much in that slide
17:15 <slickymasterWork> and doesn't actually works either informatively or aesthetically
17:16 <knome> not sure
17:16 <knome> again, what do others thing?
17:16 <knome> *think
17:18 <jjfrv8> I kind of agree with slickymasterWork but I don't think it's terrible as is
17:19 * ochosi is still branching..
17:19 <jjfrv8> might just need some dressing up, like with bullets or something
17:20 <slickymasterWork> well I wouldn't adjectivate it as terrible, but somehow it doesn't seem to fit with the other slides
17:20 * slickymasterWork is also still branching rev601
17:20 <jjfrv8> adjectivate :)
17:21 <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8: bad choice of word or bad english altogether?
17:21 <jjfrv8> neither, I liked it
17:22 <ochosi> what's the difference between adjectivate and adjectify?
17:23 <pleia2> I think they're both made up words
17:23 <pleia2> :)
17:23 <ochosi> ;>
17:23 <knome> pleia2, that's not a difference, that's a similarity
17:23 <slickymasterWork> pleia2: do you disapprove the wording in the wiskher slide?
17:23 <knome> pushed rev602
17:24 <knome> pull and check the desktop slide :)
17:24 <slickymasterWork> or am I getting you wrong?
17:24 * slickymasterWork hasn't yet finished branching rev601 :P
17:24 * slickymasterWork is at work with a lousy bandwith
17:24 <knome> heh
17:24 <ochosi> same here :(
17:25 <slickymasterWork> Ctrl+C and staring all over again :P
17:25 <slickymasterWork> s/staring/starting
17:25 <ochosi> slickymasterWork: haha, same here
17:25 <knome> boo :)
17:25 <knome> you should have done this in advance...
17:25 * slickymasterWork and ochosi will have their revenge knome
17:26 <knome> while we are at it, is there any other slides that we'd like to add in addition to the customization slide?
17:27 <knome> pleia2, the same argument goes for gtk-theme-config than the menu: it's new for this cycle
17:27 <pleia2> yeah, but less obvious
17:27 <knome> and probably the poster child of the customizability we always tell xubuntu is full of
17:27 <jjfrv8> knome, I'm still getting 601
17:27 <knome> it would be nice to tell the users "here's a cool thing you can do after installing"
17:28 <knome> jjfrv8, finish it, updating to the latest rev shouldn't take too long from that
17:28 <slickymasterWork> we'll have to draw a line somewhere
17:28 <jjfrv8> ? I pulled from scratch
17:28 <slickymasterWork> I mean this cycle is full of new stuff and it can't all be ported into the slideshow
17:28 <knome> jjfrv8, 'bzr pull' gets the latest revisions, no need to branch every time
17:29 <jjfrv8> oh
17:29 <elfy> slickymasterWork: I unlinked them ...
17:29 <knome> slickymasterWork, no, but i really think we *should* include the desktop looks customizability
17:29 <knome> i always thought we'd add a slide for that
17:29 <slickymasterWork> agree with you on that knome
17:29 <slickymasterWork> unlinked what elfy ?
17:30 <knome> so i'm not proposing to add everything that's new
17:30 <knome> just the highlights and cool things
17:31 <elfy> slickymasterWork: bugs that were nothing to do with the MP
17:31 <jjfrv8> "no revisions or tags to pull"
17:31 <knome> jjfrv8, hmm..
17:31 <knome> oops
17:31 <knome> i only committed
17:31 <knome> pushing now.
17:32 <knome> sorry
17:32 <slickymasterWork> pleia2: in the beginning of the sprint you said something about the favorites. where you referring to the wisker slide?
17:32 <knome> done
17:32 <slickymasterWork> oh, thanks for that elfy
17:32 <knome> slickymasterWork, just favorites vs. favourites
17:32 <ochosi> weee finished
17:32 <slickymasterWork> oh, ok
17:32 <knome> ochosi, now pull again to get 602
17:32 <knome> should be quick
17:32 <knome> ...relatively
17:33 <ochosi> yup done
17:33 <slickymasterWork> pulling
17:33 <ochosi> ok, so what were we talking about? :D
17:33 <knome> desktop slide
17:33 <jjfrv8> knome, good idea with the alignment
17:33 <pleia2> slickymasterWork: oh sorry, I was wondering what you were asking about, yeah what knome said :)
17:33 <knome> i also tweaked the texts a bit
17:34 <knome> so are shorter now
17:34 * slickymasterWork is now watching rev602
17:34 <knome> jjfrv8, i think you might have 601 if you have right-aligned text :)
17:34 <jjfrv8> no, it's 602.
17:34 <knome> ok, good
17:34 <knome> does it have right-aligned text? :)
17:35 <jjfrv8> no, left-aligned
17:35 <knome> ok good
17:35 <knome> the main thing is that it should have three columns
17:35 <jjfrv8> I meant how the text lined up with the parts of the panel being described
17:35 <knome> yep
17:35 <knome> we might want to change the last paragraph now
17:36 <knome> "Finally, ..." is a weird start now
17:36 <ochosi> i'm wondering whether the three areas should have a slight separator in between
17:36 <knome> "If you don't like this panel layout for a reason or another, ...."
17:36 <ochosi> but maybe it's over the top
17:36 <ochosi> yeah, s/Finally//
17:36 <ochosi> i like the panel slide generally
17:37 <slickymasterWork> knome: I know you wanted to change this slide layout, but I do you really think that three different tones of blue work?
17:37 * knome shrugs
17:37 <knome> ochosi?
17:37 <ochosi> it might be a little over the top, as it's the most common layout ever, but the idea makes sense to me as we changed the layout
17:37 <slickymasterWork> right now it would be my only objection
17:37 <ochosi> there will be the wallpaper in between
17:37 <ochosi> below the three sections of text
17:37 <ochosi> right knome?
17:38 <knome> well,
17:38 <knome> in a way or other, that was the idea
17:38 <knome> but i'm not sure how doable it is with this small space
17:39 <ochosi> depends on your wallpaper ;)
17:40 <slickymasterWork> the left alignment of the text is a good improvement IMO
17:40 <slickymasterWork> makes the slide somewhat more 'open'
17:40 <knome> pushed rev603
17:41 <slickymasterWork> you're killing me knome :P
17:41 <knome> :P
17:41 <knome> slickymasterWork, use 'bzr pull'
17:41 <slickymasterWork> that's what I've been doing
17:41 <knome> heh
17:42 <ochosi> mhm, not bad
17:43 <ochosi> btw, i think the contrast between the xubuntu-logo and the bg color is a little low on the first slide
17:43 <knome> ochosi, yep, noted that
17:43 <slickymasterWork> sorry for this guys, but definitely I don't like those three blue stripes
17:43 <knome> slickymasterWork, propose something?
17:44 <ochosi> the blue at the bottom is different from the one above, right?
17:44 <knome> no
17:44 <slickymasterWork> I would go for just two tones of blue
17:44 <ochosi> ah, ok, that was a optical illusion then
17:44 <knome> ochosi, the bg is a gradient
17:45 <knome> and the whiter part is just overlay on that part
17:45 <slickymasterWork> that third tone only appears in that slide, and some how it feels awkward
17:46 <ochosi> knome: yup, that explains it
17:48 <slickymasterWork> knome: has a decision been made about the image to add to the 'Make the desktop your own' slide?
17:48 <knome> no
17:48 <knome> feel free to discuss that as i work on an updated desktop slide looks
17:48 <slickymasterWork> but it's going to have one?
17:50 <ochosi> i guess something like this, but less ugly, could work :) http://cdn.xfce.org/frontpage/slider-xfwm4.jpg
17:50 <slickymasterWork> I know that you're not a big fan on having to much images on the all slideshow, but that leaves that slide with a huge blank space, almost half of it
17:50 <ochosi> e.g. a pink version of greybird
17:50 <knome> ochosi, well, only if we add the color stuff to that slide :)
17:51 <slickymasterWork> I'm sure pleia2 would agree with that pink version ;)
17:51 <ochosi> yeah, well it would be very illustrative ;)
17:51 <knome> i'm all for that
17:52 <pleia2> and anti-aliased fonts
17:52 <knome> does somebody want to draft the text for that?
17:52 <ochosi> me too
17:52 <slickymasterWork> knome: the text for what?
17:53 <knome> for the color part
17:53 <knome> and also,
17:53 <knome> please discuss if we can get rid of the icons
17:53 <knome> and/or move the menu text to the previous slide
17:53 <knome> because we will need more space
17:58 <jjfrv8> I don't know, I might be having second thoughts about moving the menulibre text to the previous slide
17:59 <jjfrv8> maybe leave it on that slide and add another slide for the desktop theme thing
17:59 <knome> that works as well from my POV
17:59 <knome> i just pushed rev604
17:59 <knome> check the desktop slide :)
17:59 <knome> slickymasterWork, you'll like it more
17:59 <slickymasterWork> I'm inclined to jjfrv8's opinion tbh
17:59 * slickymasterWork is still pulling it :P
18:00 <jjfrv8> ooh, yeah
18:00 * slickymasterWork congratulates knome
18:00 <knome> ok, so if we add another slide
18:01 <knome> can we name *that* "Make the desktop your own"
18:01 <jjfrv8> yup
18:01 <slickymasterWork> yes, it's complete coherent with the rest of the slides
18:01 <knome> and the current one something like "Your computer, your data"
18:01 <knome> (not that, but you get the idea)
18:01 <jjfrv8> something like that, yeah
18:01 * slickymasterWork agrees
18:02 <ochosi> mm, also like it
18:04 <knome> pushed rev605
18:05 <slickymasterWork> what abot "Put your personal label in your computer"?
18:05 <slickymasterWork> s/abot7about
18:05 <knome> slickymasterWork, sounds like a long title :)
18:05 <knome> and might be a problem with translations
18:05 <slickymasterWork> ok
18:05 <knome> ochosi, want to draft the text for the theme customizing slide?
18:06 <knome> who wants to take a new screenshot of the whiskermenu?
18:06 <slickymasterWork> I can do it
18:06 <knome> ochosi, just to make sure, when do the final settings land for whiskermenu, or did they land already?
18:06 <slickymasterWork> with the default favorites?
18:06 <knome> ok, so any ideas what to put in the "personalize" slide?
18:06 <knome> as an image, that is
18:06 <knome> slickymasterWork, yep, all defaults
18:07 <jjfrv8> don't we want one of mugshot at least?
18:07 <slickymasterWork> that's was what I was going to ask?
18:08 <Unit193> ochosi: Ah, good plan.
18:09 <knome> ok, then take a shot of Mugshot with some fake, generic data maybe?
18:09 <knome> i would think that's enough for the slide
18:11 <slickymasterWork> knome: check your email
18:12 <jjfrv8> I had one once when there were some default images for mugshot. whatever happened to them?
18:12 <knome> slickymasterWork, so no favorites?
18:13 <slickymasterWork> did I take the wrong one :P
18:13 <slickymasterWork> my bad
18:13 <knome> hehe
18:13 <slickymasterWork> give a sec
18:13 <knome> also, wondering about slickymaster
18:13 <knome> maybe use "Xubuntu User" :P
18:13 <knome> (yeah i know that involves creating a new user)
18:13 <slickymasterWork> I'm doin' it
18:14 <knome> thanks
18:14 <ochosi> sry, was afk
18:14 <elfy> so - how's it going - anything I can do to help?
18:14 <brainwash> luckily creating a new user via users-admin won't result in a segfault anymore :D
18:14 <ochosi> whiskermenu settings will land when micahg merges them
18:14 <knome> are we now happy with the slides we have?
18:14 <slickymasterWork> brainwash: :)
18:14 <knome> or do we want to add new ones?
18:14 <elfy> ochosi: I had a quick look at the draft - you want me to look at the wording?
18:14 <slickymasterWork> I haven't had a chance to see your last rev knome
18:15 <slickymasterWork> :P
18:15 <ochosi> elfy: why not, also, if you think that some aspect is missing, feel free to point it out
18:15 <elfy> okeydoke
18:15 <knome> slickymasterWork, basically just added a new empty slide for "customize"
18:16 <slickymasterWork> and changed the tittle of the previously "Make the desktop your own" slide
18:16 <knome> yep
18:16 <slickymasterWork> are we gooing with the personalize...?
18:17 <knome> that's a different question
18:17 <knome> what i'm asking now if we are happy with the slides composition
18:17 <knome> or if we want more/less slides
18:17 <slickymasterWork> I'm happy
18:17 <ochosi> knome: i guess the text will depend on what exactly we put on the "make the desktop..." slide
18:18 <knome> ochosi, you mean the "personalize" ?
18:18 <knome> the current slides stay as they are
18:18 <elfy> it's personalise ... ;)
18:18 <knome> the new slide is anything you want to mention
18:18 <knome> elfy, not in en_US
18:18 <elfy> :p
18:18 <knome> so, eh, i'll expect everybody is happy with the slides
18:19 <ochosi> knome: elfy is having trouble with his keyboard-layout, you know ;D
18:19 <knome> #subtopic Review artwork
18:19 <knome> are we okay with the first slide?
18:19 <knome> artwork-wise, remember
18:19 <knome> or do we want a new image?
18:20 <slickymasterWork> it's good for me
18:20 <knome> pleia2, are you sleeping?
18:20 <ochosi> apart from the contrast issue on the logo, yep
18:20 <pleia2> knome: working
18:21 <knome> ok, desktop slide
18:21 <jjfrv8> +1
18:21 <ochosi> +1
18:21 <knome> the panel has a dragger
18:21 <knome> or whatever that is called
18:21 <knome> do we have it in the final release?
18:21 <ochosi> dragger?
18:21 <knome> from which you can move the panel
18:22 <knome> or then it's just a visible separator
18:22 <knome> handle...
18:22 <knome> right to the logo
18:22 <ochosi> it's just the handle from the windowlist
18:22 <jjfrv8> Don't think it's unlocked by default
18:22 <slickymasterWork> +1
18:22 <ochosi> we'll have that by default
18:22 <knome> okay
18:22 <slickymasterWork> knome: sent
18:22 <knome> so the image is okay?
18:22 <knome> slickymasterWork, thanks
18:22 <knome> or do we want another open app
18:22 <knome> that doesn't have focus
18:23 <knome> might get a bit cluttered
18:23 <ochosi> yeah
18:23 <jjfrv8> that might go better with the middle part text thing
18:23 <ochosi> i think at that width it's ok
18:23 <jjfrv8> but it's okay as is
18:23 <knome> ok, let's keepit
18:24 <knome> whiskermenu slide
18:24 <knome> slickymasterWork just sent me a new shot
18:24 <knome> so that's good
18:24 <knome> personalize
18:24 <knome> so, a mugshot shot?
18:24 <slickymasterWork> I was doing that
18:24 <knome> good, so it's in order
18:24 <knome> do we wish to keep the icons?
18:25 <knome> and, is menulibre "Main menu" ?
18:25 <jjfrv8> if we do, I think we should show the path
18:25 <knome> or something else
18:25 <jjfrv8> "Menu Editor"
18:25 <ochosi> it's "Menu Editor"
18:25 <ochosi> "Main Menu" == alacarte
18:25 <knome> ok
18:25 <knome> good to get that sorted out then ;)
18:25 <knome> so we ok to drop the paths back?
18:25 <jjfrv8> +1
18:26 <slickymasterWork> knome: in the mugshot screenshot, do you want the data fields filled?
18:26 <ochosi> "drop paths back"?
18:26 <knome> ochosi, we used to have full app paths
18:26 <ochosi> yeah
18:26 <ochosi> i know
18:26 <knome> ochosi, now we don't, we only have the app icon and app name
18:26 <ochosi> yup, that's ok i think
18:26 <knome> slickymasterWork, yeah, use firstname Xubuntu lastname User
18:26 <knome> no need to fill everything
18:27 <knome> it can be a "work in progress"
18:27 <knome> ok, so the new "Make the desktop your own"
18:27 <ochosi> so "drop back" = "drop"?
18:27 <knome> ochosi, "drop back" = "drop back in place"
18:27 <slickymasterWork> any images in the Image button?
18:27 <jjfrv8> ochosi, did mugshot lose the "Select from stock" option for the image?
18:27 <ochosi> knome: so you wanna re-add the paths?
18:27 <knome> slickymasterWork, better to leave without
18:27 <knome> ochosi, i'm asking if we should do that for that slide, yeah
18:27 <ochosi> jjfrv8: no, still has it here
18:28 <ochosi> knome: ah, yeah, maybe
18:28 <knome> the other option is:
18:28 <ochosi> knome: cause they're not in the toplevel menu
18:28 <knome> add a new paragraph that says "You can find both of these tools in the Settings Manager"
18:28 <knome> or sth
18:28 <knome> but i think i'd rather keep the icons
18:29 <knome> another option is
18:29 <knome> add mugshot to favorites
18:29 <knome> so any new user is given the possibility to fill in the details ASAP
18:29 <ochosi> nope
18:29 <knome> haha
18:29 <knome> okay
18:29 <knome> i'll just add the paths back
18:29 <ochosi> the thing is that stuff from the settings-manager can't be shown in whisker easily
18:30 <knome> right
18:30 <ochosi> same is true for the appmenu
18:30 <ochosi> and appfinder
18:30 <slickymasterWork> sent knome
18:30 <knome> slickymasterWork, thanks
18:30 <knome> ok, the "MAKE THE DESKTOP..." slide
18:30 <ochosi> i talked to gottcode about adding that to whiskermenu though
18:30 <knome> who wants to take care of the slide text, shot?
18:30 <knome> ochosi, could you take care of the shot?
18:30 <ochosi> so it might be possible in the near future, most likely not in 14.04 though
18:30 <ochosi> knome: yeah, what should that one show?
18:31 <knome> ochosi, also, would you draft the text if i asked nicely?
18:31 <knome> well, depends on the text.. :>
18:31 <knome> i guess mention the ability to change theme colors
18:31 <ochosi> yeah, possibly not tonight, but generally speaking, okayish
18:31 <knome> and generally speak about things found in the settings manager
18:31 <knome> regarding customizing looks
18:31 <ochosi> that sounds like a lot
18:31 <knome> it's kind of your 15 minutes in the fame :P
18:31 <knome> so you can select what to talk about
18:32 <knome> what are the looks-customizability highlights for xubuntu (14.04) ?
18:32 <knome> write about that.
18:32 <knome> then take a screenshot that goes with that content
18:32 <knome> pink greybird sounds good to me
18:33 <knome> (pink resonates well with the blue)
18:33 <slickymasterWork> we'er making pleia2's day
18:33 <slickymasterWork> *we're
18:33 <knome> next!
18:33 <knome> "Ready to go!" -slide
18:33 <knome> artwork-wise, we happy?
18:34 <knome> bolding looks more logical now
18:34 <ochosi> hmkay, will try
18:34 <knome> ochosi, feel free to ask for help if you need some
18:34 <ochosi> the pink is actually a lot more subtle than you'd think
18:34 <knome> ochosi, yep.
18:34 <knome> ochosi, make it fuchsia ;)
18:34 <jjfrv8> not artwork, but I don't like the "for your pleasure" phrase. But I can't think of an alternative that's succinct.
18:35 <slickymasterWork> without saying that it could be changed, nevertheless it's the poor parent of them all, in visual terms
18:35 <knome> jjfrv8, let's talk about content nitpicking after the artwork review ;)
18:35 <jjfrv8> k
18:35 <knome> slickymasterWork, yeah, but it's ought to be a boring slide ;)
18:36 <ochosi> knome: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-03-14-193547.php
18:36 <ochosi> what's the hex-value of fuchsia?
18:36 <slickymasterWork> can't the font in the icons descriptions be bigger? (but not too big)
18:36 <knome> ochosi, #ff00ff
18:37 <slickymasterWork> knome: ^^
18:37 <slickymasterWork> what I asked
18:37 <ochosi> OUCH
18:37 <knome> ochosi, you said pink is too subtle!
18:37 <slickymasterWork> someone dial 991 for ochosi
18:38 <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-03-14-193753.php
18:38 <ochosi> it's not the pink, it's the change in selected-bg-color that is subtle
18:38 <knome> those shots look good.
18:39 <ochosi> yeah, i think those two could work
18:39 <knome> definitely
18:39 <ochosi> not sure i can highlight more than one app/option to customize in the screenshots
18:39 <knome> nah, that's fine IMO
18:41 <knome> slickymasterWork, checkout rev607
18:41 <knome> others, same
18:41 <knome> app icon text is not slightly bigger
18:41 <jjfrv8> brb
18:42 <slickymasterWork> while pulling it, what you guys think of "Your imprint in your computer" instead of "Personalize your computer"?
18:42 <ochosi> "imprint" sounds a bit cumbersome
18:43 <slickymasterWork> yes, knome. It's better
18:44 <slickymasterWork> it's not so monotonous
18:44 <knome> ok, so happy with the artwork on that slide now?
18:44 <ochosi> darn, i gotta go... :/
18:44 <slickymasterWork> I am
18:44 <knome> ochosi, can you spare 5mins?
18:45 <knome> "Help & Support" slide
18:45 <knome> do we want any artwork there?
18:45 <ochosi> yeah, it's a bit too much text maybe
18:45 <knome> proposals?
18:45 <slickymasterWork> agree
18:46 <ochosi> adding a single icon to the "live support" bubble could be enough
18:46 <knome> not the "new thing"
18:46 <knome> okay
18:46 <knome> so a blue question bubble?
18:46 <knome> or something else
18:46 <knome> a speech bubble?
18:46 <ochosi> either something that reflects "live" or just use the help (?) icon from the icon theme
18:46 <knome> ochosi, propose me something before monday
18:46 <slickymasterWork> I would go for the help icon theme
18:46 <ochosi> hm, not sure, alredady two huge bubbles on the next slide
18:47 <knome> ochosi, well that's the next question...
18:47 <knome> "Thanks" slide
18:47 <knome> want to change the art?
18:47 <slickymasterWork> I think that's a good one
18:47 <ochosi> yeah, i'm not a huge fan
18:47 <slickymasterWork> wouldn't touch it
18:47 <knome> it's getting a bit old.
18:47 <slickymasterWork> I like it
18:47 <ochosi> but my problem is i'm away until monday
18:47 <knome> ochosi, oh right.
18:47 <knome> well on monday then
18:47 <ochosi> so i cant really get anything done until then
18:47 <knome> or latest tuesday
18:48 <knome> we need to get this in before thu
18:48 <knome> and since we don't have uploaders in the team, i can't expect others to upload at the last minute :)
18:48 <ochosi> yeah
18:48 <knome> maybe we should look at that on monday with ochosi
18:48 <ochosi> well i'll try to take care of my slide
18:48 <knome> i'll try to come up with something during the weekend
18:49 <ochosi> add the help-icon meanwhile to the pen-ultimate slide
18:49 <knome> so to say, try to have a proposal we can agree on
18:49 <ochosi> so we have it there as fallback
18:49 <ochosi> hah
18:49 <ochosi> fun thing to say
18:49 <ochosi> anyhoo, seeya
18:49 <knome> well yeah...
18:49 <knome> see you and have fun! :)
18:49 <ochosi> will do :)
18:49 <ochosi> u2
18:49 <slickymasterWork> cy ochosi
18:50 <knome> ok, so the artwork is coming along
18:50 <knome> #subtopic Content review
18:50 <slickymasterWork> knome: 'Personalize your computer' -> 'Sign your computer'
18:50 <knome> sounds like signing up :/
18:50 <knome> or signing off
18:51 <slickymasterWork> meh
18:51 <knome> shall we do a quick review
18:51 <knome> 1) Welcome to Xubuntu
18:51 <knome> to me, that slide is a bit dry
18:52 <knome> and has some wonky text
18:52 <knome> "the desktop will look much the same"
18:52 <knome> -much ?
18:52 <knome> at least...
18:52 <knome> or something
18:52 <knome> do anybody else find that slide dry?
18:52 <knome> it's our first impression!
18:52 <slickymasterWork> yeah, that much doesn't make any sense
18:53 <knome> i think the sharing part would be best on the last slide
18:53 <knome> and said in a different way
18:53 <knome> the "if you are" -text could be in a bubble
18:53 <knome> and bottom -aligned
18:54 <knome> slickymasterWork, want to talk with me about the welcome slide either sat or sun?
18:54 <knome> to not waste too much time now
18:54 <slickymasterWork> sun
18:54 <jjfrv8> back
18:54 <slickymasterWork> I'm not sure how my sat is going to be
18:54 <knome> sun works
18:55 <knome> ok, the desktop slide
18:55 <knome> anything we want to change?
18:55 <jjfrv8> nah
18:55 <slickymasterWork> yes
18:55 <slickymasterWork> :P
18:55 <knome> (i'm consdering all merge proposals done before Tue, so no need to know exactly now)
18:55 <knome> if there is a slight change, just propose it
18:55 <slickymasterWork> "... single, multipurpose panel..." -> "... single, multipurpose, panel..."
18:55 <knome> if we want to do a big overhaul, then say now ;)
18:55 <knome> yeah yeah, do a MP ;)
18:56 <knome> "keep track" -slide
18:56 <knome> any need to edit the text?
18:56 <slickymasterWork> just put multiproposal between comas
18:56 <knome> ok ok :P
18:56 <slickymasterWork> *multipurpose
18:56 <knome> done
18:56 <knome> will push that later
18:56 <knome> but "keep track"
18:56 <knome> anything we want to change?
18:57 <slickymasterWork> nopes
18:57 <knome> pleia2, as you were interested in this
18:57 <slickymasterWork> I like it now (finally)
18:57 <knome> do we want to note this is a new feature in 14.04 and that one can revert to the old one?
18:57 <slickymasterWork> I wouldn't
18:57 <knome> the text looks good to me :)
18:57 <jjfrv8> that might be a can of worms, the revert part
18:57 <knome> heh
18:58 <knome> okay
18:58 <knome> let's keep ot
18:58 <knome> *it
18:58 <knome> "personalize"
18:58 <jjfrv8> yeah, text looks okay
18:58 <knome> do we want to change the text?
18:58 <knome> (apart from david wanting to change the title)
18:58 <slickymasterWork> I think we can came up with a better tittle
18:58 <knome> yep
18:58 <slickymasterWork> lol
18:58 <knome> that's okay for a merge proposal
18:59 <jjfrv8> well we say "image of your choice" but screenshot won't have a custom image?
18:59 <knome> jjfrv8, no, but it'll show the spot where you can change that ;)
18:59 <knome> the documentation goes through that more closely anyway
19:00 <slickymasterWork> and that way everyone will know that it's up to them to came up with the image
19:00 <jjfrv8> hmm
19:00 <knome> jjfrv8, the problem with the custom image is "what to show"
19:00 <knome> tbh, the default stock images are ugly...
19:00 * slickymasterWork is now breaking some rules about not smoking at work
19:00 <knome> D:
19:00 <knome> omg
19:00 <jjfrv8> okay, not a biggie
19:01 <slickymasterWork> the all text is goof in that slide. jjfrv8 has done a good work on it
19:01 <knome> :)
19:01 <slickymasterWork> s/goof/good
19:01 <knome> hehe
19:01 <knome> goofy text, right...
19:01 <jjfrv8> :)
19:01 <knome> "ready to go"
19:02 <jjfrv8> "for your pleasure" -1
19:02 <knome> "for your pleasure" -replacement is ok with MP, unless you have an idea now
19:02 <knome> in which case i can drop it right in
19:02 <slickymasterWork> -1 also
19:02 <jjfrv8> nah, still pondering
19:02 <knome> yeah, no pleasure using those apps
19:02 <knome> i guess that slide is okay
19:02 <slickymasterWork> for your convenience
19:02 <slickymasterWork> ?
19:02 <knome> yeah
19:02 <knome> sounds good
19:02 <jjfrv8> !
19:02 <knome> jjfrv8, you fine with that?
19:03 <jjfrv8> that'll work!
19:03 <knome> yep
19:03 <knome> will push with next commit
19:03 <knome> anything else in that slide?
19:03 <jjfrv8> nope
19:03 <knome> ok,
19:03 <knome> "help" slide
19:03 <slickymasterWork> that's a doomed slide :P
19:03 <knome> anything in the content for that?
19:03 <knome> slickymasterWork, the help one? :P
19:03 <slickymasterWork> not the help one
19:03 <knome> lol
19:03 <knome> slickymasterWork, what do you think is so doomed in the apps one
19:04 <slickymasterWork> it's monotonous and lacks some kind of an outstanding spark
19:05 <knome> lol
19:05 <knome> be in touch with me if you figure out what that is
19:05 <knome> so... the help slide :P
19:05 <slickymasterWork> but I agree that there's little to work with
19:05 <knome> text okay in that?
19:05 <jjfrv8> +1
19:05 <slickymasterWork> yes, I think the text is good
19:06 <knome> nice.
19:06 <knome> what about the thanks slide?
19:06 <slickymasterWork> I like the artwork on that one, being old an all
19:06 <jjfrv8> I'm good with the slide
19:06 <knome> if not else, we need to rethink the contrast
19:06 <knome> but i'll think about that
19:07 <slickymasterWork> but we're porting the share part from the first one into this one
19:07 <knome> yeah
19:07 <knome> nothing in *this* needs a change though, so that's fine
19:07 <slickymasterWork> agree
19:08 <knome> #endmeeting