19:11 <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
19:11 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 12 19:11:12 2013 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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19:11 <knome> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
19:11 <knome> #topic Items carried on
19:11 <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
19:11 <knome> #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week
19:11 * meetingology knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week
19:11 <knome> TBD
19:12 <knome> #action skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2
19:12 * meetingology skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2
19:12 <knome> ali1234, are you around?
19:12 <ali1234> o/
19:12 <knome> ali1234, what's up with that?
19:12 <ali1234> someone uploaded it to saucy proposed
19:12 <ali1234> y'all need to verify it
19:12 <knome> ok, cool, so it's progressing
19:12 <Unit193> It's not been accepted AFAIK.
19:13 <knome> #info Uploaded to saucy-proposed but not accepted yet; will follow up on next meeting
19:13 <knome> looks like the rest are pretty much done
19:13 <knome> #topic Team updates
19:13 <knome> use #info and #action
19:14 <knome> any updates?
19:14 <elfy> I've got a list of them - shall I go for it
19:14 <knome> go ahead
19:14 <elfy> #info Going to use this as the call for testing schedule http://pad.ubuntu.com/OHGoAbZPji
19:14 <elfy> #info Image testing: 64 bit - 5 people did 7.3% of all possible tests and for 32 bit - 4 people did 13.2% of all possible tests
19:14 <Noskcaj> gthumb 3.2.5 is now uploaded
19:14 <elfy> #info Automatic image testing - working for us now, though currently all failing due to the user-session bug, can be seen here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/ubiquity_ap-xubuntu_devel_daily-run/
19:14 <knome> Noskcaj, use #info please
19:14 <elfy> #info Package testing - 13/13 Mandatory, 4/5 Run Once, 10/22 Optional - atm 3 people tested packages(these all need further testing calls though) re schedule
19:14 <elfy> #info Used the contact team members (xubuntu-testers) for testing call last time, 1 person amongst those mentioned above seems new to me
19:14 <elfy> #info QA team is running now - good forward step this, everyone knows (or should) what each other is working on
19:14 <elfy> #info Call to be written explaining exploratory testing - these will be reported via packages tracker, but is about people testing when they're using apps rather than to a schedule
19:14 <elfy> done
19:14 <Noskcaj> #info gthumb 3.2.5 is now uploaded, a second upload will re-add webapps
19:15 <jjfrv8> #info Sent "What's New in Trusty" doc proposal email to ML
19:15 <elfy> you might want to look at that 2nd #info - abysmal in my opinion
19:15 <knome> elfy, wondering if it would make more sense to try to format that in the same way as the release schedule
19:15 <knome> cool to hear about automatic image testing :)
19:16 <lderan> #info autopilot tests has a bit of a step forward, looks like we can do some basic testing with the xfce at the moment (checking to see if they open)
19:16 <elfy> knome: perhaps - but as it's only really going to be me or the QA team working from it - not sure it's that important
19:16 <knome> elfy, as long as it works for you...
19:17 <elfy> yep
19:17 <knome> let's get back to testing/qa later
19:17 <knome> any other updates?
19:17 <elfy> k
19:18 <knome> this has clearly been a slower week, but that's only expected because christmas is so near
19:18 <knome> #topic Announcements
19:18 <knome> #subtopic Changes in Lionel Le Folgoc's leadership positions
19:18 <knome> effective from this moment of time, lionel (mr_pouit) will step down as the technical lead
19:19 <knome> as you all might have gathered, he hasn't been awfully active recently, and we both thought this is a step towards a better future; with an active technical lead
19:20 <knome> he will continue as the debian liaison
19:21 <elfy> so who's going to be the active technical lead now?
19:21 <knome> i haven't got into that yet :)
19:21 <micahg-work> hrm
19:21 <knome> i will have to talk to the team in the following days about that
19:22 <knome> #info Lionel will step down from the Technical Lead position, but will stay as the Debian Liaison
19:22 <knome> anybody want to add something, or have any further questions?
19:23 <elfy> not at present
19:23 <knome> #action knome to update the Leaders wikipage
19:23 * meetingology knome to update the Leaders wikipage
19:24 <knome> but yeah, it is a good question who will become the next technical lead
19:24 <knome> however, do not panic; in practice the situation isn't much different from what it has been during the last few cycles
19:24 <PhoenixSTF> sorry to ask but what is technical lead?
19:25 <PhoenixSTF> not applying just wondering!
19:25 <knome> the person that's responsible for technical issue consideration
19:25 <knome> practically the team always discusses issues together
19:26 <knome> and ultimately the project lead has a veto vote, even on technical issues
19:26 <knome> anyway, i will be in touch with people about this ASAP
19:26 <pleia2> Micah Gersten is our only other person on that team
19:26 <pleia2> micahg :)
19:26 <knome> on -dev, yes
19:27 <Noskcaj> Can i get put into -dev yet or is there an application process?
19:27 <knome> by team i meant the xubuntu team ;)
19:27 <pleia2> knome: ah
19:27 <knome> but sure, the -dev team as well.
19:28 <knome> being approved to -dev comes with certain access rights, and i would consider only people who have xubuntu packageset upload rights qualified
19:29 <pleia2> yeah
19:29 <elfy> so - we should have had 'talks' by the next meeting? if so perhaps we should move along and talk about that properly afterwards
19:29 <knome> yep.
19:29 <pleia2> is that process ubuntu dev PPU application?
19:29 <knome> pleia2, i would imagine so
19:29 <knome> pleia2, so, DMB approves
19:29 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, let
19:29 * pleia2 nods
19:30 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, let's review that outside the meeting
19:30 <Noskcaj> ok
19:30 <knome> and yep, sure; just wanted to answer any and every question.
19:30 <knome> anybody else has announcements?
19:31 <elfy> not from me
19:31 <lderan> nope
19:31 <knome> #topic New and emerging items
19:31 <knome> #subtopic Alpha participation
19:31 <knome> i think we've pretty much planned this already on previous meetings, so...
19:31 <knome> #vote Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote
19:31 <meetingology> Please vote on: Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote
19:31 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
19:32 <knome> +1
19:32 <meetingology> +1 received from knome
19:32 <elfy> +1
19:32 <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
19:32 <pleia2> +1
19:32 <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
19:32 <jjfrv8> +1
19:32 <meetingology> +1 received from jjfrv8
19:32 <elfy> I've got a proxy +1 from skellat too
19:32 <knome> yep, i can confirm that
19:32 <micahg-work> +1
19:32 <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
19:32 <Unit193> +1 It'd be nice to have a better boot up than right now though.
19:32 <meetingology> +1 It'd be nice to have a better boot up than right now though. received from Unit193
19:33 <knome> Unit193, better meaning "it works better" or "it works at all" ? :)
19:33 <Unit193> knome: Technically it works since you can get it to login.
19:33 <knome> :)
19:33 <knome> yep, we should improve that.
19:34 <knome> #endvote
19:34 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote
19:34 <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
19:34 <meetingology> Motion carried
19:34 <knome> #subtopic Replacing post installation tests
19:34 <knome> #info Proposal: Replace current post install tests (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1434/info and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1434/info with a single test http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/testcases/1569/info . Tests for old optional items to be created and then added to new single test.
19:35 <knome> elfy, ?
19:35 <knome> do you have a question or...
19:35 * elfy ?
19:35 <knome> hehe
19:35 <elfy> sigh - me?
19:35 <knome> okay, so no question (i know i asked to add this to the list)
19:35 <knome> so basically, we're going to change the post installation tests
19:35 <ochosi> bleh, just returned home
19:36 <elfy> oic lol - no - I'm making a statement :)
19:36 <knome> if nobody objects, we will just go ahead with that
19:36 <knome> basically, we want to drop the peripheral/optional tests from the main test
19:36 <knome> and move those into package tests
19:36 <knome> we will still link to those package tests as appropriate though
19:37 <knome> but this should eliminate running only 2/7 of a test and still marking it "passed"
19:37 <knome> this way we should get more accurate results as well
19:37 <knome> some testcases need to be written, but i'm sure elfy will follow up on that
19:37 <elfy> yep - on my list
19:37 <elfy> already
19:37 <knome> any questions from others?
19:38 <elfy> wb ochosi
19:39 <knome> #subtopic "What's new" for LTS
19:39 <knome> jjfrv8, want to share some thoughts?
19:40 <jjfrv8> well I don't know if everyone has seen the email yet, but we would like some feedback on whether
19:40 <pleia2> I like the idea, and I think we might include a "what's new since last release and since last lts"
19:40 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-December/009517.html
19:40 <knome> the email
19:40 <jjfrv8> to do a "what's new" page for Trusty
19:40 <elfy> I saw
19:40 <pleia2> I think installation slideshow should only be since saucy though
19:41 <jjfrv8> we've got a pretty full BP for trusty so we would probably need some help with it
19:41 <micahg-work> yeah, that makes sense
19:41 <elfy> I like the idea on general, not sure whether we need to seperate them though
19:41 <micahg-work> there should be an LTS -> LTS what's new though
19:41 <knome> developers should help with gathering the things
19:41 <pleia2> it shouldn't be too much work, since we already have to write this stuff for release announcements
19:41 <knome> i mean, the subject matter
19:41 <Unit193> elfy: A little bit, since it doesn't apply the same to both groups.
19:41 <micahg-work> grab the CD manifest and diff?
19:41 <knome> -docs should just overlook the process and make it readable for end-users ;)
19:42 <pleia2> knome: yeah
19:42 <elfy> Unit193: I guess so
19:42 <knome> micahg-work, that's one option, but i'd rather focus on what "looks" new from the user POV
19:42 <knome> eg. run both the old and new release in VMs
19:42 <knome> and see what's new in basic functionality etc.
19:43 <knome> but whatever way works for me
19:43 <micahg-work> knome, sure, I was just suggesting an easy way to see the new apps/version changes
19:43 <knome> (the more ways we can cover, the better, because that way we'll catch more things)
19:43 <knome> micahg-work, shouldn't pretty much everything be updated from precise->trusty? :)
19:44 <knome> other questions?
19:44 <jjfrv8> when will we know e.g. what things from xfce 4.12 will make it?
19:44 <micahg-work> knome, umm, in theory, but you can see the versions that changed as well
19:44 <knome> micahg-work, yep :)
19:44 <knome> jjfrv8, we made our cherry-pick list already
19:44 <micahg-work> does anyone know if 4.12 has been given any new push towards a final release?
19:44 <knome> micahg-work, not that i know of
19:45 <knome> jjfrv8, ...and if 4.12 isn't released on time for T, that's accurate
19:45 <knome> and it doesn't look very plausible
19:46 <knome> #subtopic Other things
19:46 <micahg-work> which will be sad as Jessie will probably have 4.12 and we'll be divergent...
19:46 <knome> micahg-work, when's the target release date for jessie?
19:46 <micahg-work> Nov 5 2014 IIRC
19:47 <micahg-work> wait, that's the freeze
19:47 <Noskcaj> #info We might be able to re-add pidgin twitter support if https://code.google.com/p/prpltwtr/issues/detail?id=88 get's fixed. there is a bounty worth $5000 dollars (currently) for a fix
19:47 <micahg-work> Debian doesn't do target release dates, they release when ready
19:47 <knome> okay
19:47 <micahg-work> knome, nothing we can do about it, just mentioning it
19:47 <ochosi> any thoughts on packing 4.11 into 14.04 and then getting 4.12 SRUd or something?
19:48 <Noskcaj> +1, although not all components
19:48 <ochosi> (there's actually not so many components missing for that)
19:48 <micahg-work> ochosi, I'd probably be more comfortable with that in a PPA than in the distro, there's no telling what will change before release unless everything is in bug fix mode only
19:48 <knome> micahg-work, sure. just good to track that as well
19:49 <knome> i would be fine with SRUing all of 4.12, as long as developers want to do it
19:49 <ochosi> micahg-work: i did go through the roadmap recently, feature-wise it's pretty much done
19:49 <knome> but then again, i'm stepping down after 14.04 release, so you might want to consult somebody else on that :)
19:49 <micahg-work> I don't think we could pull that off, I'd be ok with backporting 4.12 when it got in though
19:50 <micahg-work> (assuming we could get the required testing to pass)
19:50 <elfy> big assumption
19:50 <ochosi> my guess is that xfce will only change very incrementally until 4.12 now
19:50 <knome> i can promise i can do more testing after the 14.04 release.
19:50 <ochosi> as soon as i hear back from nick, i can let you know
19:51 <knome> #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back
19:51 * meetingology ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back
19:51 <elfy> knome: as much as I thank you - 1 person doesn't do much to the figures I've got :)
19:51 <micahg-work> ochosi, ok, let's keep an eye on that, we don't have an SRU microexception for Xfce, so SRUing the whole stack would be a nice trick
19:51 <knome> elfy, not to the person figures, no ;)
19:51 <ochosi> cool
19:52 <ochosi> just to give you the infos that i have now:
19:52 <knome> ochosi, #info please!
19:52 <knome> :))
19:52 <ochosi> yeah, well it's nothing official
19:52 <knome> still..
19:52 <ochosi> fine...
19:53 <ochosi> #info ochosi has been working with eric_the_idiot a few of the missing pieces of Xfce4.12 done
19:53 <ochosi> #info NSchermer said he will try to do more development releases before christmas
19:54 <ochosi> (that'll most likely include xfwm4)
19:55 <ochosi> so i'm more hopeful that the release is not so far away
19:55 <ochosi> (i guess #hope doesn't exist)
19:55 <knome> :P
19:55 <knome> not...yet
19:55 <knome> ask lderan if you want him to implement it
19:55 <elfy> I'd never stop - probably not a good idea
19:55 <ochosi> actually, i'd also like to ask those of you who test trusty already to use the shimmer-daily PPA
19:56 <knome> ochosi, can you be in touch with elfy on that and send a mail to -devel together?
19:56 <ochosi> please check if everything is fine with using only our icon-theme without gnome-icon-theme
19:56 <elfy> #info ochosi wants "those of you who test trusty already to use the shimmer-daily PPA"
19:56 <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/daily
19:56 <ochosi> ty guys, you're much better at #this than me :>
19:57 <elfy> :)
19:57 <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
19:57 * elfy would like to know what's the status of whiskermenu in our plans
19:57 <ochosi> #info testing should focus on Gnome3/Gtk3 apps (e.g. evince), checking whether the theming is fine and whether all icons are there
19:57 <knome> oops :)
19:57 <knome> go ahead.
19:57 <elfy> and menulibre
19:58 <skellat> o/
19:58 <knome> hey skellat
19:58 <elfy> #action elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre
19:58 * meetingology elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre
19:58 <ochosi> elfy: we had this vote last time, not sure what we voted on specifically...
19:58 <skellat> I'm comfortable with us going with whiskermenu.
19:58 <ochosi> but i'm afraid it involves work for me
19:59 <ochosi> i think i have to do a panel-layout proposal, iirc
19:59 <knome> ochosi, haha, good assessment
19:59 <elfy> ochosi: well I read the logs that diodn't make much sense to me last week
19:59 <ochosi> :)
19:59 <ochosi> workfor_ochosi != sense
19:59 <knome> elfy, waiting for ochosi to propose a new panel layout with whiskermenu.
19:59 <ochosi> i'll try to get around to it asap
19:59 <knome> thanks
19:59 <elfy> I'm just a bit like a cat on a hot roof about these things we keep saying are going to happen and it's half way through december already
20:00 <ali1234> did anyone try panel-switch? (or whatever i named it)
20:00 <knome> elfy, things are progressing... slowly but steadily ;)
20:00 <ochosi> if any of you want to propose a panel-layout, feel free to go ahead or get in touch with me
20:00 <elfy> if you ask me to set up testing for new things in March I'll be saying No
20:00 <knome> ali1234, not yet. can you send an email to the list?
20:00 <knome> or did you?
20:00 <knome> elfy, yeah, not happening that.
20:00 <ochosi> panel-switch works fine, as far as i tested it. really nice stuff!
20:01 <ali1234> i didn't, no
20:01 <knome> micahg-work, when do you plan landing xfce 4.11 stuff?
20:01 <ali1234> ochosi: did you see the guy in #xfce-dev today? who said he's working on "activites for xfce"
20:01 * knome kicks bluesabre in the back and tells him to get his stuff ready ASAP
20:01 <skellat> elfy: Would it be possible to put out an e-mail on getting the indicators SRU verified?
20:01 <ochosi> ali1234: i did, but i was kinda busy so i didn't chime in
20:01 <ali1234> maybe we can just get him to make it :)
20:01 <elfy> #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at
20:01 * meetingology elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at
20:02 <lderan> knome, aye im up for to be asked to do stuff :P
20:02 <ochosi> ali1234: that would be nice, i just hope he won't overpower it
20:02 <knome> lderan, i was mostly kidding ;)
20:02 <elfy> #action - team with new apps to be tested to contact elfy with details
20:02 * meetingology - team with new apps to be tested to contact elfy with details
20:02 <ali1234> i never thought about it in this way before, but it's really not such a terrible idea
20:02 <lderan> knome, :P
20:02 <ali1234> i have no idea how to make it though, so i'll just stick with the plan
20:02 <micahg-work> knome, how's the testing going with that stuff, we could probably land it in the next week or so if the testing has been positive
20:03 <knome> elfy, some time when we've moved, probably after christmas, i'll do a good evaluation of where we are with all stuff
20:03 <elfy> skellat: I don't see why not - where are the details/info for it? not seen a mail from any list about that SRU at present
20:03 <elfy> knome: k
20:03 <knome> ochosi, have you sent instructions to the list about testing the 4.11 components?
20:03 <ochosi> knome: should i have? i didn't see an #action for that and don't recall i signed up for it (or got it assigned)
20:04 <ali1234> testing 4.11 currently means building nearly everything
20:04 <ochosi> what kind of instructions other than "add Xfce4.12 PPA" did you want?
20:04 <micahg-work> hrm
20:04 <Unit193> I'd -1 whiskermenu, at least for th{e,is} LTS.
20:04 <micahg-work> ali1234, we're just doing a few components
20:04 <ochosi> ali1234: nah, quite a lot is in the xfce4.12 PPA
20:04 <ochosi> Unit193: why's that?
20:05 <knome> ochosi, any works, as long as it allows people to test that stuff
20:05 <micahg-work> did I miss a meeting?
20:05 <elfy> micahg-work: not that I know of
20:05 <micahg-work> I thought we were just pulling in a few components
20:05 <ochosi> micahg-work: can you copy the existing packages for trusty? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12/
20:06 <ochosi> yeah, i think we are
20:06 <knome> micahg-work, yes, we are :)
20:06 <knome> micahg-work, still sticking with what we decided on the meeting back then
20:06 <micahg-work> ochosi, yeah, give me a minute
20:06 <ochosi> libxfce4ui, xfdesktop, xfce4-settings (we already have that in 13.10) and possibly xfwm4
20:07 <ochosi> only libxfce4ui, xfdesktop and xfwm4 will be newer versions than in 13.10 really
20:07 <ochosi> (we need libxfce4ui anyway for the panel+gtk3indicators)
20:08 <ochosi> so to summarize: gtk3-indicator-stuff (panel, indicator-plugin, libxfce4ui) and xfdesktop is what we accepted afaik
20:08 <ochosi> xfwm4 is still up for discussion
20:08 <knome> has anybody looked into getting xfce4 power manager?
20:08 <knome> +to work
20:08 <ochosi> not really, afaik
20:09 <knome> i guessed so. does anybody want to start looking at that?
20:09 <ochosi> nick was considering to drop it
20:09 <knome> aha
20:09 <ochosi> (just saying)
20:09 <knome> then we need to look for an alternative
20:09 <ochosi> replace it with a simple settings dialog for systemd and other upower settings
20:09 <knome> ideas?
20:09 <micahg-work> I thought we had an alternative for the power manager, can't remember offhand what it was
20:09 <ochosi> i don't think we really do
20:09 <ochosi> i mean we can use the indicator-power
20:10 <ochosi> but that only shows the battery status
20:10 <knome> should look for the logs for the meeting where that was discussed
20:10 <knome> there were several ideas at least, if not considerable alternatives
20:10 <micahg-work> ochosi, do the saucy packages work on trusty with no rebuild>?
20:10 <ochosi> micahg-work: i would hope so, but tbh i haven't tried
20:11 <micahg-work> ochosi, can we get someone to try that first (or I can just rebuild them a bit later)
20:11 <ochosi> elfy: ^ ?
20:11 <ochosi> micahg-work: sorry, i don't have a 14.04VM yet..
20:11 <elfy> skellat: sorry - I see the sound ind SRU stuff now
20:11 <elfy> ochosi micahg-work - I'm about all day tomorrow - I can look at whatever needs looking at
20:12 <ochosi> ok nice
20:12 <Unit193> ochosi: Did you want him to look at xfwm too? :P
20:12 <ochosi> micahg-work: then just copy it for now, elfy can test it tomorrow and if it doesn't work you can rebuild after tomorrow?
20:12 <micahg-work> sure, in theory it should work (and it's marked experimental anyways)
20:13 <ochosi> Unit193: well kinda, but i think we need a release of that anyway... we can't just ship a snapshot
20:13 <Unit193> ochosi: Of course not.
20:13 <Noskcaj> ochosi, You missed the new xfce4-settings (4.11.1), which is ready for upload in debian, but needs libxfce4ui 4.11
20:13 <ochosi> Unit193: but true, wanna #info your PPA for it?
20:13 <micahg-work> copy done, waiting publishing
20:13 <Noskcaj> we only have 4.11.0
20:14 <elfy> ochosi micahg-work - someone write down in word of one syllable what you want/need me to do - I'm still suffering with this trapped nerve and pain killers
20:14 <ochosi> Noskcaj: i mentioned it, but i thought it's pretty much the same version we have in 13.10
20:14 <ochosi> Noskcaj: well, point being: we already ship a 4.11 version of that, but not of xfdesktop
20:14 <Noskcaj> ok
20:15 <micahg-work> elfy, try the xfce 4.12 PPA on trusty and see if the apps/DE works
20:15 <elfy> simple as that?
20:15 <ochosi> yup
20:15 <ochosi> ideally use it for a while or so
20:15 <elfy> see - confused - I thought you were talking about indicators
20:15 <ochosi> but basically it should either work or not work
20:16 <ochosi> no, these are just the other xfce4.11 components
20:16 <micahg-work> no, we need to get moving on the indicator stuff as well though
20:16 <ochosi> indeed
20:16 <elfy> ochosi: oh - if that's the case I'll check it in VM then assuming that all seems ok I'll install it to this install I used daily
20:16 <ochosi> Noskcaj has uploaded it all to one PPA
20:16 <elfy> someone point me to the right ppa then :)
20:16 <ochosi> elfy: great! and don't forget to ping micahg-work about it (optionally me as well)
20:16 <elfy> yep
20:16 <ochosi> elfy: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12/
20:17 <elfy> k
20:17 <ochosi> micahg-work: all the indicator-stuff is in Noskcaj's PPA now
20:17 <Noskcaj> and https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3 for indicators
20:17 <ochosi> yup, that ^ :)
20:17 <ochosi> good timing, Noskcaj
20:17 <elfy> ochosi: I'll know quite early tomorrow if it's gone completely wrong - I'll put it in here for longer term
20:17 <ochosi> elfy: sounds good
20:18 <elfy> Noskcaj: thanks - got that
20:18 <ochosi> brb
20:18 <Noskcaj> It's all upload-able, but there are excess build-deps in the xfce4-indicator-plugin package
20:19 <micahg-work> I'd like some people to test the indicator stack, if it's good, I'll get it uploaded to trusty
20:19 <Unit193> I tried it in saucy, dumped it to go back to gtk2 ones.
20:20 <micahg-work> not a good sign
20:20 <micahg-work> at least now we don't need it in saucy thanks to ali1234's fix
20:20 <elfy> yep
20:21 <Unit193> There weren't any major problems, just the known panel appearance not taking and the icons were bigger and more seperated in my theme, thus I gained nothing and lost a couple things.
20:21 <knome> if the people who have set up PPA's and such would send emails to -devel for call for testing, everything would be easier
20:21 <Noskcaj> I've had the indicator stuff for a week now and it's worked fine
20:22 <knome> and i could run some tests with my little time i can dedicate to such things
20:22 <elfy> I think that testing the indicators is important at this stage - so as many as we can get
20:23 <ochosi> the theming problems Unit193 describes don't exist with our themes
20:23 <ochosi> but: we need the current git versions of our themes for that
20:24 <ochosi> so whoever tests indicators at the moment, also use the shimmer PPA please
20:24 <ochosi> i mean the shimmer daily PPA (the one that was mentioned before)
20:24 <Unit193> ochosi: Icon size doesn't still?  I think that one was hardcoded?
20:24 <elfy> #info ochosi said "so whoever tests indicators at the moment, also use the shimmer daily PPA please"
20:25 <ochosi> Unit193: well if you have them smaller than 22px at the moment, then yes. right now (and the same is true for ubuntu) their fixed size with 22px
20:25 <knome> sounds like we got moving with this impromptu section ;)
20:25 <knome> let's do this more often
20:25 <elfy> :)
20:25 <ochosi> indeed
20:25 <lderan> :)
20:25 <knome> anything else on anybody's mind?
20:25 <elfy> nope
20:26 <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
20:26 <knome> any reason not to have a meeting next week at the same time?
20:26 <elfy> +1 to that
20:26 <Noskcaj> +1
20:26 <pleia2> wfm
20:26 <knome> goodie
20:26 <knome> #info Next meeting Thu 19 Dec at 19UTC
20:26 <knome> #endmeeting