19:06 <rowboatnick> #startmeeting 19:06 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jun 19 19:06:30 2013 UTC. The chair is rowboatnick. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:06 <meetingology> 19:06 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:06 <rowboatnick> #chair elfy 19:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy rowboatnick 19:06 <elfy> back - sorry bout that 19:06 <rowboatnick> hehe 19:07 <pleia2> you snooze, you become a chair 19:07 <lderan> its the law of the land 19:07 <elfy> so - shall I kick it off then 19:07 <rowboatnick> So. Anyone have any specifics they want to discuss? I have a smaller list of things 19:07 <rowboatnick> Do that 19:08 <elfy> k - I was chatting to balloons in the qa channel - trying to get a handle on whether it's going to be much use to us before we spend a lot of time 19:09 <elfy> and we can probably make it easier to do some of the more basic tests - but whether we'll find it's a good use of our time I'm not so sure 19:10 <elfy> we're never going to be able to do advanced testing - so that's going to be manual it seems 19:10 <rowboatnick> How come? 19:10 <elfy> perhaps some install tests - they are being worked on 19:10 <elfy> issues with gtk I think rowboatnick 19:10 <rowboatnick> An automated installer/test would be great :P 19:11 <rowboatnick> Oh 19:11 <lderan> that it would 19:11 <elfy> <balloons> ahh.. well, gtk apps are a little notorious, but we have a branch of working testcases we've done for the ubuntu desktop apps 19:11 <elfy> <balloons> for you guys, I think the automating installer work is your best bang for the buck at the moment 19:11 <elfy> basically those two quotes sum up what I got from the chat with him :) 19:11 <elfy> BUT 19:11 <lderan> ah okay 19:12 <elfy> given how many people we tend to have testing - how many are likely to have machines they can let an automatic test loose on? 19:12 <elfy> I know I haven't 19:12 <rowboatnick> I would probably use it for a VM 19:12 <lderan> do we know the percentage of testing done on VMs? 19:13 <rowboatnick> We did have testers fill in their equippment prior 19:13 <rowboatnick> Im not sure where that data has gone, or if its updated 19:13 <elfy> lderan: I don't know - my next thing to dig at is how to drag stats from the reports the tracker produces 19:13 <elfy> rowboatnick: agreed - I could do so with VM's 19:14 <rowboatnick> So automated tests are low priority, in general? 19:14 <elfy> apparently someone is working on these installer tests 19:15 <elfy> rowboatnick: I think that if people 'ubuntu' orientated are looking at those - let them 19:15 <elfy> our time would be better used in doing basic app tests I'd think for the future 19:15 <rowboatnick> We have a lot of unique software tho 19:15 <elfy> ^^ 19:16 <rowboatnick> But yes, I do see the point 19:16 <elfy> I'd rather have autotest to do abiword/gnumeric etc 19:16 <elfy> install is install 19:16 <lderan> agreed, basic testing is best way 19:16 <elfy> that's my thinking - I'm looking at trying to have things there for the LTS 19:17 <elfy> don't know what you're thoughts are 19:18 <rowboatnick> My thoughts were, I suppose, try to get people on writing core function test cases, and like you said before, elaborate them later 19:19 <elfy> this is the crux of my problem with it - how many people do we have :) 19:19 <elfy> as far as I know there are you and lderan 19:20 <elfy> at least looking at our things 19:20 <rowboatnick> But its kinda low hanging fruit too. One can simply write and suggest a testcase, so those people mailing the list relatively frequently could perhaps be pointed in that direction 19:21 <elfy> yep 19:22 <elfy> how about if we try and at least get some sort of list together and get bugs done for them - something to point people towards 19:22 <rowboatnick> Btw, how bad is it, tester wise, are there any non-irc people doing them+ 19:23 <elfy> I know of a few 19:23 <elfy> I think we'll have a better idea when alpha1 is out for a week 19:23 <rowboatnick> Yes it sounds like a plan 19:23 <lderan> yeah list idea sounds good 19:23 <elfy> the manual stuff is working well like that - getting picked off one by one 19:24 <elfy> ok - so I'll get a list together - we can brainstorm some sort of priority for it then do some bugs and set importance 19:24 <rowboatnick> okay 19:24 <lderan> okay 19:25 <elfy> so that's the general part sorted for the moment - plan A 19:26 <elfy> I can co-ordinate this - but the specifics are beyond me - I'm no coder 19:26 <elfy> so if I can look to you both to help that'll be great 19:26 <rowboatnick> sure 19:26 <lderan> aye will do all that i can 19:27 <elfy> thanks :) 19:27 <elfy> so - rowboatnick you had some specifics? 19:28 <rowboatnick> Yes, but we basically covered them, i had some points about; which apps are critical to test? contributors, core features and state of the install of autopilot 19:29 <rowboatnick> (typing with 1 finger, so its a bit slow ;)) 19:30 <rowboatnick> So, yes, I dont really have anything to add I suppose 19:31 <elfy> ok - lderan ? 19:31 <lderan> all stuff covered for me 19:32 <elfy> #action elfy create list of apps for autopilot for prioritisation 19:32 * meetingology elfy create list of apps for autopilot for prioritisation 19:32 <elfy> #action elfy set up bugs for required autopilot tests 19:32 * meetingology elfy set up bugs for required autopilot tests 19:33 <elfy> #idea point people mailing -dev list at a/pilot bugs 19:33 <elfy> rowboatnick lderan - anything else needing action or idea ? 19:34 <rowboatnick> not that i can think of 19:34 <lderan> same 19:34 <elfy> k 19:34 <elfy> thanks then :) 19:34 <rowboatnick> thank you :) 19:35 <lderan> thanks :D 19:35 <elfy> not sure I did much other than get confused by the whole thing earlier :) 19:35 <elfy> #endmeeting