14:56:38 <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 14:56:38 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 19 14:56:38 2012 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 14:56:38 <meetingology> 14:56:38 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 14:56:44 <knome> #chair pleia2 14:56:44 <meetingology> Current chairs: knome pleia2 14:56:53 <knome> #topic Items carried on 14:57:03 <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 14:57:28 <knome> seems to be none that are still appropriate/not obsolete 14:57:41 <knome> #subtopic Disable compositor in live CD 14:57:53 <knome> #info Compositor is disabled in the "Install Xubuntu" mode in the live CD 14:58:28 <bluesabre> yay 14:58:30 <knome> #subtopic Do we want to run encryption -tests for milestones? 14:58:38 <knome> #info Postponing until R 14:58:47 <knome> #subtopic Testcases feedback 14:59:06 <knome> #info New testcases up at the ISO tracker, please see eg. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23726/testcases 14:59:25 <knome> #info If something is inaccurate, please send email to the xubuntu-devel mailing list 14:59:45 <knome> #subtopic Xfce4 display dialog 14:59:50 <knome> #info Postponed until R 14:59:58 <knome> #subtopic Strategy Document review 15:00:19 <knome> #info The new Strategy Document is published at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument 15:00:26 <knome> #topic Team updates 15:00:38 <knome> #subtopic Development 15:00:50 <knome> is there anything worth mentioning since the last meeting? 15:00:56 * micahg wonders why the meeting started early... 15:00:58 <knome> (eg. in the last month) 15:01:06 <pleia2> knome got excited :) 15:01:07 <knome> micahg, because i was simply running the old stuff away :) 15:01:21 <knome> micahg, i knew there wasn't anything to comment on those really... 15:01:25 <bluesabre> indicator-messages won't be making it, but that's not really news-worthy 15:01:43 <knome> #info Re-introducing indicators, except indicator-messages 15:02:24 <knome> i believe it's mostly been bugfixes and fighting agains the windmills after FFe 15:02:30 <knome> #subtopic QA 15:02:38 <knome> #info New testcases up at the ISO tracker 15:03:01 <knome> #info We need more tests for Beta 2, since we skipped Beta 1 15:03:10 <knome> #subtopic Marketing, Promotion and Artwork 15:03:29 <knome> #info Xfwm window borders fixed (2px for Q) 15:03:40 <knome> #info Lots of other bugfixes in too 15:03:42 <pleia2> #info sent off a request for quote on some casebadge stickers 15:04:19 <knome> #info Countdown banners designed, see http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/branding_exports/countdown_quantal.png for a quick preview 15:04:47 <bluesabre> +1 15:04:53 <bluesabre> brb 15:04:54 <pleia2> #fleshed out our "marketing audience" on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing so we can work on some flyers for events 15:05:03 <pleia2> #info fleshed out our "marketing audience" on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing so we can work on some flyers for events 15:05:09 <knome> hehe:) 15:05:17 <pleia2> #action pleia2 to draft text for flyers this week 15:05:17 * meetingology pleia2 to draft text for flyers this week 15:05:44 <knome> #action knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS 15:05:44 * meetingology knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS 15:06:08 <knome> #action knome to get new countdown banners uploaded 15:06:08 * meetingology knome to get new countdown banners uploaded 15:06:22 <pleia2> #info website, wiki and help.ubuntu.com/community docs are looking good! we'll probably revisit them as a review next cycle 15:06:50 <knome> #action mr_pouit to upload updates to xubuntu-artwork (theme bugfixes and elementary-xfce USC icon change) 15:06:50 * meetingology mr_pouit to upload updates to xubuntu-artwork (theme bugfixes and elementary-xfce USC icon change) 15:07:12 <knome> is that it for m&p&a ? 15:07:27 <pleia2> I think so 15:07:38 <knome> oh 15:08:09 <knome> #info "Dotless" wallpaper uploaded for LightDM and Plymouth since they don't scale wallpapers well 15:08:20 <knome> #subtopic Documentation and Website 15:08:34 <pleia2> ah well, got website :) 15:08:41 <knome> #info The documentation is now written, reviewed and converted to DocBook 15:09:09 <knome> #info The docs will most probably land into B2, they'll be reviewed today to granted an upload permission 15:09:15 <knome> *to grant? 15:09:17 <knome> oh well.. 15:09:29 <pleia2> \o/ 15:09:35 <SkippersBoss> :-) 15:09:46 <pleia2> thanks for your work, everyone :) 15:10:21 <knome> #info Thanks for everybody contributing to the docs; bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, myself :P, ochosi, pleia2, SkippersBoss, smartboyhw, and others that are not online and/or i've forgotten 15:10:31 <smartboyhw> :) 15:10:38 <knome> #topic Announcements 15:10:51 <knome> oh, did somebody have general updates? 15:11:21 <pleia2> not strictly project news, but I'm going to be out of the country from Oct 10 through UDS, so someone else will need to handle release notes 15:11:41 <pleia2> and any other website stuff that comes up :) 15:11:46 <knome> i talked with ochosi about that, and i think well get that sorted 15:11:49 <pleia2> great 15:11:57 <knome> yes ma'am, ready to work o> 15:12:33 <knome> #info Release notes need writers, for Beta 2 and Final release 15:12:43 <knome> #info Beta 2 freeze is TOMORROW 21UTC 15:13:06 <SkippersBoss> if i can help OOPS that's quick 15:13:15 <smartboyhw> :) 15:13:23 <knome> SkippersBoss, that's just the freeze, b2 release is next thursday :) 15:13:46 <SkippersBoss> let me knmow what to do and where i can find it 15:13:57 <knome> SkippersBoss, we'll send email to the -devel list 15:14:22 <micahg> oversizedness 15:14:23 <knome> ok, let's advance 15:14:27 <knome> micahg, yeah 15:14:34 <knome> #topic New and emerging items 15:14:43 <knome> #subtopic ISO oversizedness 15:15:05 <SkippersBoss> for the amd64 variant only 15:15:05 <knome> #info We are currently at 708MB for amd64 and 693MB for i386 15:15:12 <pleia2> I love it and it would make me sad, but dropping gimp? 15:15:20 <knome> pleia2, that's dropped already \o/ 15:15:27 <pleia2> oh now I am sad! 15:15:28 <knome> pleia2, so is gnumeric \o/ 15:15:33 <micahg> it gave us 20MB 15:15:33 <SkippersBoss> so is gnumeric 15:15:43 <micahg> knome: drop 1 more langauage? 15:15:47 <micahg> on amd64 that is 15:15:47 <knome> np: Hans Zimmer (Gladiator OST) / Barbarian Horde 15:15:53 <knome> suits very well for the situation 15:15:56 <micahg> * Languages: es pt zh-hans 15:15:59 <knome> micahg, yeah, i was simply thinking the same. 15:16:22 <micahg> that gets us proper sized for beta 2, if we can find more room before final, we can add it back 15:16:30 * pleia2 makes note for updating websites and info about gnumeric 15:16:49 <knome> micahg, pt has less native speakers by far, so it'd be that 15:16:58 <knome> micahg, what are the other things we are looking at? 15:17:03 <smartboyhw> Yay zh-hans is not deleted... 15:17:04 <SkippersBoss> remeber that with the es pt versions you are going to alianate a large group of users 15:17:17 <knome> we could cut some slack removing some games 15:17:24 <knome> SkippersBoss, well, we already had to drop fr... 15:17:38 <micahg> SkippersBoss: i386 still has them 15:17:38 <SkippersBoss> I can understand the logic 15:17:43 <knome> SkippersBoss, most people fortunately have a decent internet connection, so they're able to download the langpacks 15:17:49 <micahg> #Enough room on i386, not enough on amd64: 15:17:49 <micahg> * Languages: xh fr pt 15:18:30 <knome> #info Languages that we'll keep for i386 but drop for amd64 to get more space: xh, fr, pt 15:18:42 <knome> ok, so is that as easy as that? :P 15:19:00 <micahg> yep 15:19:05 <knome> ok, great 15:19:41 <micahg> if we dropped something else from the default install, we could probably add another language to i386 15:19:55 <knome> gnome-sudoku? 15:19:58 <micahg> or found another spurious recommends 15:20:15 * micahg takes it knome doesn't like sudoku 15:20:31 * smartboyhw thinks sudoku is ok to be dropped 15:20:35 <knome> well i do, but it's less essential than one more language 15:20:49 <micahg> yeah, that would do it 15:20:53 <knome> and with the current config, we're about 10MB undersized, and that's waste of time 15:21:11 <knome> do we have a backlog of what language we would like to reintrodue? 15:21:20 <micahg> we might be able to get away with it w/out dropping anything 15:21:31 <knome> maybe fi, since it's so widely spoken 15:21:32 <knome> ;] 15:21:42 <pleia2> lol 15:21:48 <micahg> de seems to be it 15:21:54 <knome> micahg, i really don't want to be oversized for b2, so i'd rather do that tweaking after b2 15:21:55 <SkippersBoss> at least amongs the Xu developers 15:22:18 <knome> micahg, unless you're willing to handle the respin requests and stuff 15:22:31 <micahg> knome: it doesn't require an upload, so we can flip the bit and see what happens tomorrow 15:22:47 <knome> micahg, oh, right, yeah, we have enought time to revert 15:22:49 <knome> sounds good 15:23:05 <knome> #action micahg to drop 'pt' from amd64 and reintroduce 'de' for i386 15:23:05 * meetingology micahg to drop 'pt' from amd64 and reintroduce 'de' for i386 15:23:29 <knome> #action micahg to make sure i386 doesn't go oversized, and if it goes, drop gnome-sudoku tomorrow before freeze 15:23:29 * meetingology micahg to make sure i386 doesn't go oversized, and if it goes, drop gnome-sudoku tomorrow before freeze 15:24:38 <knome> i believe that's it for the beta 2 prepping altogether! 15:24:49 <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting 15:24:51 <pnarciso> so pt which have a much more userbase is being droped for de? 15:24:59 <knome> pnarciso, no. 15:25:12 <knome> pnarciso, pt is dropped from amd64, de introduced to i386 15:25:13 <smartboyhw> pnarciso: pt is dropped in amd64 and de is introduced in i386 15:25:18 <smartboyhw> Or am I wrong? 15:25:33 <pnarciso> okok, I read wrong, sorry 15:25:38 <knome> pnarciso, we're oversized for amd64, but have a bit extra spae for i386 15:25:46 <bluesabre> that was scarily similar, knome & smartboyhw 15:25:50 <knome> pnarciso, np, good to have it sorted 15:25:52 <knome> bluesabre, :P 15:26:12 <smartboyhw> I pressed ënter 1 sec slower than knome, bluesabre you know:( 15:26:17 <knome> bluesabre, i believe it is the same than with great minds and idiots - they all think the same 15:26:20 * knome hides 15:26:25 * smartboyhw hides 15:26:42 * smartboyhw thinks knome is saying that he is an idiot:( 15:26:46 <knome> hsst, don't take the same hideaway, they'll notice us idiots here 15:26:57 <knome> smartboyhw, i was saying we both are, but i was just kidding :P 15:26:58 * bluesabre is king when everyone else hides 15:27:04 <smartboyhw> ;P 15:27:06 <knome> mostly referring to myself... 15:27:12 <knome> so, next meeting 15:27:21 <knome> should we have one just before B2 release? 15:27:32 <smartboyhw> +1 15:27:36 <knome> i will not take "we will not release B2" as an answer, so... 15:27:53 <bluesabre> Yeah, who knows what will change at the last minute for us to panic about 15:28:01 <smartboyhw> If we don´t have B2 we don´t even HAVE a beta..... 15:28:13 <knome> #info Next meeting: September 26th, 15UTC 15:28:17 <SkippersBoss> that's not an option 15:28:18 <knome> #endmeeting