15:03:01 <ochosi> #startmeeting 15:03:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jun 20 15:03:01 2012 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:03:01 <meetingology> 15:03:01 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:03:12 <ochosi> soo, welcome everyone 15:03:29 <ochosi> first thing on our agenda are the open action items from last time 15:03:35 <ochosi> i 15:03:45 <ochosi> i'll go through them by person 15:03:57 <ochosi> astraljava: what about your two action-items? 15:04:25 <astraljava> #info astraljava to send information on the Xubuntu QA meeting - DONE 15:04:45 <astraljava> #info astraljava to look at enabling/disabling compositor - PENDING 15:05:13 <ochosi> ok 15:05:13 <astraljava> I can talk about the first one on QA section. 15:05:16 <astraljava> .. 15:05:19 <ochosi> sounds good 15:05:47 <ochosi> pleia2: what about your two items? (work on marketing products with knome, raise publicity on testing/docs) 15:06:35 <pleia2> #info pleia2 and knome to work on marketing products is in progress, I made some edits to Xubuntu/Marketing this past week but still need to gather content for fliers 15:06:55 <pleia2> #info pleia2 to raise publicity on triaging, testing and docs - no updates here 15:07:58 <pleia2> . 15:08:49 <ochosi> k, thanks 15:09:08 <ochosi> #info ochosi to send more information on Greybird and a request for feedback to ML - PENDING 15:09:39 <ochosi> #info information on Greybird has been distributed through the website and google+ so far, mailinglist will follow shortly 15:10:02 <ochosi> ok, since knome isn't present, this is it with open action-items from last time 15:10:52 <ochosi> personally i think the compositor-discussion should be postponed until astraljava has fully investigated 15:10:59 <ochosi> astraljava: what do you think? ^ 15:11:14 <astraljava> I agree, it needs more data to back up any decisions. 15:11:17 <astraljava> .. 15:11:23 <ochosi> ok, good, let's continue with teams 15:11:38 <ochosi> #topic development 15:11:50 <ochosi> mr_pouit, micahg: any further updates in the development department? 15:12:43 <ochosi> ok, let's skip ahead to QA and get back to development if one of the two comes around 15:12:50 <ochosi> #topic Quality Assurance 15:12:56 <ochosi> astraljava: take the stage :) 15:13:20 <astraljava> #info We had our QA meeting last Sunday, the minutes of which can be read at: 15:13:38 <astraljava> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-June/008252.html 15:14:11 <astraljava> #info We have again a similar meeting this coming Sunday, details can be found on the minutes above. 15:14:50 <astraljava> #info Loosely, new testers were guided on how to do quality assurance, how to follow the testcases, where to get images to be tested etc. 15:16:02 <astraljava> #info It was agreed that the testcases need more refinery. Related to that, we just had the Ubuntu QA community meeting. Agreed on there was that each point in testcase is critical, meaning if any of them fails, the whole test fails. 15:16:52 <astraljava> #info There's also going to be new testcases, and a new interface for administering them, for flavors as well. More news about this when the thing develops. 15:17:47 <astraljava> #info We have had a few tests done on the images (thanks hobgoblin, others!), but I need to gather a bit more data on how we're doing. This is more important to the upcoming milestone release, Alpha-2 next week. 15:18:08 <astraljava> But we should talk about that later this meeting, not strictly a QA thing. 15:18:16 <astraljava> .. 15:20:03 <ochosi> ok 15:20:10 <ochosi> astraljava: so you're done with QA for now? 15:20:22 <astraljava> Yep, that's what the '..' is there for. :) 15:20:32 <ochosi> ok :) 15:20:35 <ochosi> just wanted to make sure 15:20:50 <ochosi> #topic Marketing, Promotion 15:20:53 <ochosi> pleia2: ? 15:21:35 <pleia2> #info knome mentioned it in passing last week, but we have a LinkedIn Xubuntu Users group now which is linked on the website and marketing page (with contact info for admins): http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Xubuntu-Users-4058113 15:22:24 <pleia2> #info I have some stickers to give away, but I'm going to blog about that on my personal blog and keep the "how to make stickers" stuff on the Products page 15:23:24 <pleia2> this week I'm going to review our "Define the Xubuntu target audience" on our /Marketing page to better define that as *marketing* target audience (broader target audience is addressed in the strat document 15:23:29 <pleia2> ^^ you can action me 15:23:36 <pleia2> that's pretty much it 15:23:38 <pleia2> .. 15:24:17 <ochosi> #action pleia2 to review "target audience" as "marketing target audience" on the Marketing page 15:24:17 * meetingology pleia2 to review "target audience" as "marketing target audience" on the Marketing page 15:24:26 <ochosi> #topic Artwork 15:24:35 <ochosi> as you know i've reworked parts of our default theme 15:25:03 <ochosi> #info Greybird has been reworked and a blog post on the website has informed people about some of the changes 15:26:03 <ochosi> #info Our icon-theme will also need a few tweaks, but we'll have to wait for our first (alpha) release to be able to test 15:26:30 <ochosi> astraljava: in fact this is something we could've discussed in QA, it would be great if people could also report missing icons or theme-bugs 15:27:09 <pleia2> is there anything we can add to the /Long test this cycle to specifically target some of the changes? 15:27:25 <ochosi> you mean the greybird-changes? 15:27:28 <pleia2> yeah 15:27:38 <ochosi> not really. if anything, it'll be more robust with the bright menus 15:27:48 <ochosi> the dark menus were a troublemaker from the beginning... 15:27:53 * pleia2 nods 15:28:01 <astraljava> Bugs can be filed as usual, and reported on ISO testing as well, nothing special there. 15:28:12 <ochosi> but there could again be changes in gtk3 or the unico-engine which might trigger bugs 15:28:20 <ochosi> yeah, i agree 15:28:45 <ochosi> i just wanted to make people more aware that visual glitches are also bugs :) 15:28:48 <pleia2> sure, just wondering if there is anything in particular we'll need to draw attention to in the testcase 15:28:52 <pleia2> yeah 15:29:10 <ochosi> tbh i haven't thought about it enough, it was more an idea just now 15:29:34 <ochosi> bluesabre did quite a lot of those small bug-reports for visual glitches last release. very useful stuff for me 15:30:05 <ochosi> maybe it's just the attention to visual detail 15:30:36 <ochosi> i'd say the panel, the menus and the desktop are the three first impressions 15:30:38 <bluesabre> (I figured it was just annoying) :) 15:31:00 <ochosi> bluesabre: hehe, no seriously, it was really helpful 15:31:20 <ochosi> bluesabre: what would you draw attention to specifically for testers? 15:32:06 <ochosi> anyway, we can also discuss that after the meeting 15:32:09 <ochosi> no rush 15:32:13 <ochosi> skipping ahead... 15:32:21 <ochosi> #topic General updates 15:32:32 <ochosi> any more updates anyone? 15:36:27 <bluesabre> I guess I should mention that anybody who wants to do translation work could have a look at the catfish update. 15:36:39 <ochosi> yup 15:36:50 <bluesabre> lp:catfish-search 15:36:51 <bluesabre> :) 15:36:57 <ochosi> please use a leading #info or #link 15:37:06 <ochosi> that way it'll get in the minutes 15:37:23 <ochosi> what do you think about sending an email to the ML with a call for translations? 15:37:57 <bluesabre> Sure, where do I email that to? 15:38:11 <ochosi> i guess both the -devel and the -users list 15:38:27 <bluesabre> #info Anyone who is interested in translation work, we need new translations for lp:catfish-search 15:38:33 <bluesabre> #link https://launchpad.net/catfish-search 15:39:01 <ochosi> #action bluesabre to send email to our MLs calling for translations for lp:catfish-search 15:39:01 * meetingology bluesabre to send email to our MLs calling for translations for lp:catfish-search 15:39:56 <ochosi> any more updates? 15:40:54 <Unit193> Not in catfish-gtk3 anymore? 15:41:07 <ochosi> Unit193: no, that was a private branch 15:41:15 <ochosi> we made it a real launchpad-project now 15:41:36 <ochosi> so it can supersede current catfish properly 15:41:57 <Unit193> Missed that part, could be why no updates. :P 15:43:05 <ochosi> ok, let's skip ahead again 15:43:09 <ochosi> #topic Announcements 15:43:26 <ochosi> #info there's a review underway of the Xubuntu Strategy Document 15:43:44 <ochosi> #info An email has been sent by knome to the ML 15:43:50 <ochosi> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-June/008253.html 15:44:17 <ochosi> #info The community is asked to give feedback on the review 15:44:28 <ochosi> any other announcements? 15:44:39 <ochosi> pleia2, astraljava ? 15:45:22 <pleia2> nope 15:45:24 <astraljava> Nothing from me. 15:45:29 <Unit193> I'd assume the settings manager blueprint will be looked at later? 15:45:47 <ochosi> Unit193: do you need guidance/feedback for that or anything? 15:46:13 <astraljava> Probably skip to the next item on the agenda, anyway. 15:46:19 <Unit193> Just if I'm missing any programs, just trying to follow process? 15:46:40 <ochosi> Unit193: ok, we can look at it later if you want 15:46:53 <ochosi> two more updates 15:47:20 <ochosi> #info mr_pouit's work-items will have to be re-distributed, he'll be busy with RL during most of this cycle 15:47:39 <ochosi> #info astraljava will take a look at improving xfce4-display dialog this weekend 15:48:18 <ochosi> #info madnick is in process of forking unity-greeter as "xubuntu-greeter", which means we'll (hopefully) have a fully-fledged greeter for 12.10 15:48:31 <ochosi> (actually those were three) 15:48:40 <ochosi> #topic New and emerging items 15:48:50 <astraljava> o/ 15:48:55 <ochosi> astraljava: shoot 15:49:08 <astraljava> This is the spot I want to use for Alpha-2 talk. 15:49:13 <ochosi> sure 15:49:16 <ochosi> go ahead 15:49:51 <astraljava> #info Alpha-2 milestones is during next week. Releases are always on Thursdays here in the *buntu-land. I'm gonna need to send a decision to the release meeting this Friday. 15:50:17 <astraljava> hobgoblin: You have been doing most of the testing. What is your feeling about the quality of the present images? 15:50:32 <hobgoblin> mostly good imo 15:51:03 <hobgoblin> the only bug I found which really annoyed me was the no partitions showing in thunar/usb's not mounting 15:51:30 <hobgoblin> the who bug is sorted I think 15:51:42 <ochosi> the "who bug"? 15:51:45 <hobgoblin> other than that - they all seem to be fine for me 15:52:21 <hobgoblin> I have no users on my system - a lightdm bug I believe 15:52:36 <hobgoblin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/870297 15:52:39 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 870297 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lightdm logins not being logged in wtmp" [High,Triaged] 15:52:43 <hobgoblin> that one 15:52:59 <ochosi> ok 15:53:16 <ochosi> yeah, it's marked as fix committed, might take a bit until it lands 15:53:22 <hobgoblin> indeed 15:53:24 <ochosi> (but it also affects ubuntu) 15:53:32 <ochosi> (so maybe it won't take that long) 15:53:40 <hobgoblin> :) 15:53:45 <pleia2> I can try to do a daily test before friday too 15:53:57 <ochosi> astraljava: are there any downsides to releasing an alpha-2? 15:54:07 <pleia2> then we should start getting some release notes together 15:54:18 <astraljava> In any case, that bug won't affect to normal usage and releasability. 15:54:20 <hobgoblin> I'll manage to do some more before Friday too 15:54:40 <astraljava> ochosi: Not really, other than the slight overhead which pleia2 just mentioned. 15:54:53 <ochosi> pleia2: ok, actually now i have an icon-thing i'd like testers to look at in 12.10a² 15:55:04 <ochosi> gtk3 introduced symbolic-icons 15:55:04 <astraljava> ochosi: And of course maybe the increased traffic on support channels. :) 15:55:27 <ochosi> we already support them, but gtk3 apps might've switched even more of their icons to symbolic ones 15:55:41 <ochosi> so it would be great if people could look for broken icons in our gtk3 apps 15:55:46 <astraljava> But we're moving away from the topic here a little. Do we, as the team, support releasing the Alpha-2? 15:55:55 <ochosi> (evince,abiword,etc.) 15:56:08 <ochosi> astraljava: +1 15:57:31 <astraljava> pleia2: Are you free to do some release note writing with me and knome? 15:57:40 <bluesabre> Sweet, broken icons 15:57:53 <pleia2> astraljava: yep 15:58:13 <astraljava> Okay, then I guess we can release. 15:58:17 <ochosi> nice 15:58:24 <astraljava> #info The team decides to release Alpha-2 15:58:41 <astraljava> #action astraljava, pleia2, knome to write release notes 15:58:41 * meetingology astraljava, pleia2, knome to write release notes 15:58:51 <astraljava> .. 15:58:57 <bluesabre> Next Thursday is going to be fun 15:59:23 <ochosi> ok, what about the next meeting? same time next week? 15:59:33 <astraljava> +1 15:59:44 <bluesabre> +1 15:59:56 <ochosi> (oh, actually i just see in my calendar now that it probably won't be possible for me to attend :( ) 16:00:05 <ochosi> astraljava: then you'll get your chance to chair ;) 16:00:09 <astraljava> ACK 16:00:58 <hobgoblin> :) 16:01:34 <ochosi> i just see now that you voted for bi-weekly meetings last time? 16:01:51 <astraljava> Yes, but today was special due to Alpha-2 next week. 16:02:07 <pleia2> having a meeting the day before alpha2 is probably good 16:02:07 <ochosi> and next time will be special due to the same reason i guess :) 16:02:10 <ochosi> yeah 16:02:13 <ochosi> ok 16:02:21 <pleia2> I'll add it to the calendar 16:02:30 <hobgoblin> lot's of special reasons then 16:02:50 <ochosi> #info Next Xubuntu community meeting at 27th of June, at 15UTC 16:03:01 <ochosi> pleia2: thanks 16:03:02 <astraljava> Well, technically next week falls into the schedule. Milestones cause special events. 16:03:12 <ochosi> righty, i guess that was it 16:03:23 <ochosi> thanks for your attendance everyone! 16:03:36 <ochosi> #endmeeting