21:59:17 <knome> #startmeeting
21:59:18 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Nov 13 21:59:17 2011 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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21:59:27 <knome> #topic Ongoing Business
21:59:54 <knome> #subtitle Ubuntu moving to 5-year release schedule for LTS
22:00:30 <knome> #info Will be carried to next meeting
22:00:47 <GridCube> :) ok
22:00:48 <knome> #subtitle Maintaining official/recognized derivative/flavor status
22:00:49 <knome> #info Will be carried to next meeting
22:01:02 <knome> #subtitle "maybe-ubiquity" option for LTS
22:01:04 <knome> #info Will be carried to next meeting
22:01:16 <knome> #subtitle Website stuff
22:01:32 <knome> okay GridCube, the top 10 FAQ
22:01:35 <knome> any news?
22:01:54 <GridCube> i just need to have some input on question 10
22:01:57 <knome> okay
22:02:02 <ochosi> what is q10?
22:02:04 <GridCube> i've been forwarding people to it several times
22:02:10 <ochosi> oh
22:02:15 <knome> could you copy the stuff to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10
22:02:20 <GridCube> "whereto get more help"
22:02:21 <knome> GridCube, ^
22:02:32 <knome> so we can get through it with pleia2 and others in the website sprint
22:02:36 <GridCube> sure knome
22:02:38 <Unit193> AskUbuntu is one place
22:02:40 <knome> we can handle the "more help" part then too
22:03:22 <GridCube> i've been using it to tell people when i see a toptened question been asked,no problems so far
22:03:33 <knome> yeah
22:03:46 <knome> the support methods are listed in the current website too afaik
22:04:01 <knome> at http://xubuntu.org/help
22:04:14 <GridCube> :) yes, we could link that
22:04:21 <knome> well, we need to rewrite
22:04:28 <knome> but that's where we can copy most of the stuff
22:04:43 <knome> #info Grid''''''Cube will copy the Top 10 questions to wiki, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10
22:04:45 <GridCube> no problem, for the top10, also
22:04:53 <GridCube> translations
22:04:59 <GridCube> i know olbi asked
22:05:17 <GridCube> my idea the whole time was it to be simple so its easilytranslatable
22:05:29 <knome> #info The Top 10 questions will be finalized in the website sprint
22:05:43 <knome> translations for the whole website will come in later
22:05:53 <GridCube> :) thats good then
22:05:58 <knome> we can do some language versions of the top10 faq before that though
22:06:13 <GridCube> i can do a spañish one easily
22:06:17 <knome> yeah
22:06:24 <GridCube> im sure olbi willwant to do one to if asked
22:06:54 <knome> #info Call for Top 10 translations will be sent to mailing lists after the website sprint
22:07:04 <GridCube> :)
22:07:16 <GridCube> ..
22:07:32 <knome> #info We will have a website sprint in next weekend, exact date and time will be verified early next week
22:07:46 <knome> anything else on the website?
22:08:33 <knome> okay, let's continue
22:08:44 <knome> #subtitle Ristretto as default in Xubuntu 12.04
22:09:01 <knome> #info No reported bugs are present in the latest version of Ristretto
22:09:11 <GridCube> i can confirm that
22:09:23 <knome> #info There is no blockers to include Ristretto by default in 12.04.
22:10:00 <knome> #agreed Ristretto is a viable and likely choice as a default image viewer in 12.04
22:10:10 <knome> #subtitle Meeting times
22:10:35 <ochosi> +1 on ristretto btw
22:10:35 <knome> #action knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week
22:10:35 * meetingology knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week
22:10:44 <knome> #title Team updates
22:10:53 <GridCube> I can't do it on mondays :(
22:10:56 <knome> #subtitle Packaging, Development
22:11:08 <knome> GridCube, yeah, you'll be able to tell that to all of us :)
22:11:14 <knome> mr_pouit, micahg?
22:11:21 <knome> (please use #info...)
22:11:41 <mr_pouit> okay, nothing much this week either
22:12:00 <knome> anything? :P
22:12:20 <mr_pouit> yes :P
22:12:29 <knome> anything worth mentioning in the team updates?
22:12:30 <knome> :P
22:12:31 <ochosi> i think gmusicbrowser 1.1.8 is on its way
22:12:35 <ochosi> via debian
22:12:46 <mr_pouit> #info Merged new upstream release of xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin from debian testing
22:12:47 <ochosi> micah said he could take care of that soonish
22:13:03 <knome> mr_pouit, what about the kbdleds plugin?
22:13:04 <GridCube> o/
22:13:13 <GridCube> that :P
22:13:16 <knome> mr_pouit, can we have that in the repository?
22:13:19 <mr_pouit> #info Uploaded to oneiric a SRU for exo to fix mailto: helpers
22:13:47 <knome> http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-kbdleds-plugin/
22:13:48 <mr_pouit> #info Uploaded to precise a fix for a crash in xfce4-power-manager, the SRU to oneiric will follow this week
22:13:57 <mr_pouit> I think that's all for the new things
22:14:05 <knome> okay
22:14:11 <knome> sounds good though :)
22:14:11 <mr_pouit> yeah, we can have kdleds plugin if you want
22:14:22 <mr_pouit> I'd rather push it through pkg-xfce in debian though
22:14:25 <knome> right
22:14:32 <knome> should you be added as the assignee?
22:14:38 <GridCube> that will be helpful for people that doesnt have a leded keyboard
22:15:00 <mr_pouit> knome: yeah, feel free to assign that to me
22:15:04 <knome> okay, thanks
22:15:46 <knome> #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing
22:15:50 <knome> anything on this?
22:16:28 <knome> okay...
22:16:31 <GridCube> not from me, havent started tests yet
22:16:32 <GridCube> :P
22:16:41 <knome> #subtopic Website, Documentation
22:16:51 * micahg_ waves
22:16:53 <knome> #info Website sprint to follow next week
22:16:56 <knome> hey micahg_ :)
22:17:05 <knome> #subtopic Marketing, Artwork
22:17:09 <knome> ochosi, any updates?
22:17:52 <ochosi> hm, i've been working towards fixing gtk3 bugs in greybird, no luck so far
22:17:57 <knome> okay
22:18:05 <knome> so i suppose there is nothing...
22:18:09 <ochosi> seems like the unico-engine doesn't allow theming the resize-grip (yet) and cimi is never available
22:18:14 <knome> :(
22:18:15 <ochosi> yeah, mostly plans ;)
22:18:27 <knome> #info Mostly planning... And trying to get GTK3 stuff to work
22:18:36 <knome> #topic Announcements
22:18:37 <madnick> well, someone (knome, ochosi) to help me develop the visual style for the greeter theme
22:18:47 <ochosi> true
22:18:53 <ochosi> we wanted to do that
22:18:56 <knome> madnick, yeah, just ping us next week
22:18:59 <madnick> okay
22:19:04 <knome> or at least feel free to ping me
22:19:14 <knome> #subtopic Xubuntu brainstorming week
22:19:18 <knome> YAYYY
22:19:30 <knome> #info We've started planning for precise pangolin
22:19:30 <SiDi> *epic music*
22:19:39 <GridCube> :D
22:19:55 <knome> #info The brainstorming week starts *now*, and ends on Monday, November 21
22:20:10 <GridCube> :D i've been brainstorming already
22:20:11 <knome> #info See the mail sent to Xubuntu-devel ML; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008040.html
22:20:37 <knome> #info The wikipage for the roadmap for PP has all the information you need; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
22:20:56 <knome> tell your friends too!
22:21:05 <knome> #subtopic Contributor check
22:21:29 <knome> #info We want to know how many of the Xubuntu contributors are actually active
22:22:01 <knome> #info If you think your status on any of our Launchpad teams is wrong... Please fix it by leaving, or applying for membership
22:22:16 <ochosi> btw
22:22:21 <knome> #info The mail to the Xubuntu-devel ML has some more details; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008039.html
22:22:24 <knome> ochosi, yes?
22:22:47 <ochosi> not sure whether that's web-stuff or team-stuff, but i'd consider it nice if we had a list of contributors/team members somewhere on the website
22:22:58 <ochosi> something like "who the f*** is xubuntu?"
22:23:07 <knome> yes
22:23:16 <knome> i'd like to have the Launcpad teams current
22:23:18 <knome> so we can link there
22:23:31 <knome> and people would have access to things they need
22:23:31 <ochosi> yeah maybe, we could also do something nicer than just link there
22:23:36 <ochosi> but not sure it's needed
22:23:55 <astraljava> o/
22:23:56 <knome> yes, that too. but if you are in the LP group for eg. the website team, you can access and update the website code
22:24:06 <knome> hey astraljava :) anything on your heart?
22:24:17 <astraljava> Pointers to devel team application?
22:24:35 <knome> astraljava, do you mean general ubuntu, or xubuntu
22:24:42 <astraljava> knome: Xubuntu
22:25:12 <micahg_> xubuntu dev just gets you commit access to the braches for the few things we maintain, doesn't help much
22:25:21 <knome> astraljava, you will get approved if you have contributed to xubuntu. we don't have a specific procedure, because being a member of the xubuntu team doesn't allow you any
22:25:24 <micahg_> not that I want to discourage more help though :)
22:25:25 <knome> *buntu* access rights
22:25:30 <knome> yeah.
22:25:40 <astraljava> Ok, good enough, thanks!
22:25:51 <knome> xubuntu team members are not automatically ubuntu members, or anything
22:25:57 <micahg_> well, no xubuntu-dev should be more limited
22:26:03 <micahg_> it does give access to the seeds
22:26:08 <ochosi> reminds me of the council we should install...
22:26:14 <knome> yeah...
22:26:28 <knome> micahg_, right. though that's still not standard ubuntu procedure, is ti?
22:26:29 <ochosi> and the XSD that needs revision
22:26:29 <knome> *it
22:26:44 <knome> ochosi, yes. i will get to that when we have more time, and a better meeting time...
22:27:12 <ochosi> sure :)
22:27:44 <micahg_> knome: right, mr_pouit has the authority in this case I think (or at least used to)
22:27:44 <knome> micahg_, ?
22:28:12 <knome> micahg_, okay, so it doesn't need to follow the standard ubuntu procedure. not that there is much rush for the -dev team anyway right now. :)
22:28:47 <knome> #topic Other Business
22:28:49 <micahg_> right, no, but we need to be sure that the person understands the various packages and seeds before granting membership to the dev team (merges welcome in the mean time)
22:29:00 <knome> #subtopic Specification for a default Torrent client
22:29:12 <knome> micahg_, yeah, i agree. that's why we need to council too...
22:29:28 <knome> what features does a default torrent client for xubuntu need?
22:29:35 <knome> simple ui
22:29:57 <knome> extensive managing capabilities for multiple torrents?
22:30:02 <ochosi> so we're considering dropping transmission?
22:30:38 <knome> ochosi, GridCube is assignee for doing a comparison for those, so we should think which qualities we need
22:30:49 <ochosi> ah ok
22:31:02 <knome> personally i'm happy with transmission, as it's simple and gets the job done for most of the users who need torrents
22:31:14 <ochosi> yeah, personally a simple/easy-to-use interface, a low memory footprint and multiple torrents are all i need
22:31:34 <knome> anybody else wants to add something?
22:31:43 <GridCube> well i use lots of torrents for... personal reasons, and transmission is not cool for that
22:31:45 <Unit193> DHT, UPnP?
22:31:47 <ochosi> e.g. no need to be able to search torrents via that app
22:31:55 <knome> Unit193, i don't know what are those.
22:32:00 <ochosi> GridCube: what's not working for you in transmission?
22:32:06 <knome> Unit193, for what are those necessary?
22:32:08 <micahg_> if we ever get QT in Xubuntu, I'd vote for QBittorrent :)
22:32:30 <GridCube> you can not set it to download just one torrent a time, for example, or priority for that matter
22:32:57 <knome> is that necessary for the normal user?
22:32:59 <Unit193> knome: UPnP helps it to route traffic to your computer
22:33:12 <ochosi> GridCube: sure you can set priority
22:33:32 <Unit193> And DHT helps you find more sources
22:33:42 <GridCube> i believe so, controling how much bandwith is used is a thing, but if you control the bandwith it will still try to download 10 torrents at a time
22:34:05 <knome> GridCube, unless you pause them, right?
22:34:05 <madnick> but you can pause them
22:34:21 <GridCube> ... but then i will have to unpause them?
22:34:44 <GridCube> i can not left it and download? that makes no sense
22:34:46 <knome> what are the 10 legal torrents a user wants to download parallely?
22:34:58 <ochosi> GridCube: for priorities go to torrent properties > options > torrent priority. it's rather easy
22:35:09 <micahg_> amd64 and i386 versions of all supported Ubuntu and Xubuntu releases :P
22:35:16 <knome> micahg_, that's 8
22:35:17 <knome> :P
22:35:26 <GridCube> and mint
22:35:30 <astraljava> Ubuntu Studio, duh.
22:35:31 <micahg_> and server :)
22:35:33 <knome> we don't support mint.
22:35:35 <knome> ;)
22:35:41 <GridCube> XD
22:36:18 <knome> well, yeah.
22:36:37 <GridCube> ok its not imperative, but transmission just seems empty, like, not helpful
22:36:49 <ochosi> GridCube: what would be a good alternative?
22:36:58 <knome> what's the normal usecase for a normal user with torrents?
22:37:03 <GridCube> deluge its my first option
22:37:13 <knome> does he really download all the ubuntu versions, i386 and amd64, mint, server, and studio?
22:37:21 <GridCube> not really
22:37:22 <madnick> Ofc he does, while this channel is logged
22:37:36 <GridCube> ^^^
22:37:36 <knome> micahg_, mmh, yeah.
22:37:55 <GridCube> thats pretty much it then
22:38:03 <knome> tbh, i don't want to change our default torrent client to something more "powerful" to be able to boost illegal downloads... ;)
22:38:13 <GridCube> agreed
22:38:20 <GridCube> will take that down :D
22:38:31 <knome> right, okay ... :]
22:38:35 <madnick> There are serveral alternatives, but why use them as default
22:38:41 <knome> mmh
22:38:49 <Unit193> I have atleast 11 or so legal right now ;)
22:38:55 <knome> yeah, people are free to install anything they want
22:39:00 <GridCube> indeed
22:39:14 <knome> but the default should be sensible, and in xubuntu's case, pretty lightweight and easy-to-use
22:39:19 <knome> that's that for today.
22:39:22 <GridCube> :)
22:39:23 <GridCube> ok
22:39:27 <knome> let's keep the discussion going on in IRC and the mailing lists
22:39:34 <knome> #info We rock.
22:39:37 <knome> #endmeeting