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22:03:05 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting:
22:03:31 <charlie-tca> #topic Agenda for today's meeting:
22:03:36 <charlie-tca> Oh goody
22:03:55 <charlie-tca> * Old business
22:03:57 <charlie-tca> * Team updates
22:03:59 <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development
22:04:01 <charlie-tca> * Bug Triage & Testing
22:04:03 <charlie-tca> * Website & Marketing
22:04:05 <charlie-tca> * Artwork
22:04:07 <charlie-tca> * Documentation
22:04:09 <charlie-tca> * Announcements
22:04:11 <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
22:04:13 <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
22:04:15 <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
22:05:13 <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
22:05:15 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Old Business ===
22:05:35 <charlie-tca> * charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds
22:05:50 <micahg> o/
22:05:55 <charlie-tca> With this, I notified the release manager we will need FFe's to get this done, and they will be accepted
22:06:03 <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg
22:06:29 <micahg> are we sure we need this?  bluetooth seemed to work fine, but I have to verify it again after I restore a more default configuration on my armel laptop
22:07:10 <micahg> ..
22:07:19 <charlie-tca> If you can verify it works without gnome-control-center, we don't need blueman
22:08:07 <micahg> ok, will keep you advised
22:08:22 <charlie-tca> yes, we will, because blueman can take the place of gnome-control-center which causes a crash report if it is not installed and bluetooth is clicked when you have no devices
22:08:28 <mr_pouit> I think it works, except that you're unable to configure it
22:08:53 <charlie-tca> So, for configuration purposes, we need blueman
22:09:00 <micahg> I still seemed able to configure with the indicator
22:09:12 <micahg> but I might have had some extra packages installed
22:09:19 <charlie-tca> yup
22:09:34 <charlie-tca> Please do verify if it works without g-c-c
22:10:02 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Team updates ===
22:10:17 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Packaging & Development ====
22:10:25 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: your turn, sir
22:11:19 <mr_pouit> uploaded some bugfix for xfce4-session, xfdesktop4, xfce4-indicator-plugin; fixed build failure of tumbler; fixed plymouth script for xubuntu-logo.
22:11:36 <mr_pouit> oh, xterm/uxterm was hidden from the menu also
22:12:00 <mr_pouit> (some memleak fixes for ristretto)
22:12:37 <mr_pouit> and micahg has been investiguating bluetooth and some recents debian uploads (if/which ones we need to sync)1
22:12:46 <mr_pouit> investigating?
22:12:49 <mr_pouit> meh
22:12:51 <mr_pouit> ..
22:12:53 <charlie-tca> You been busy again! Thank you very much for your hard work.
22:12:56 <micahg> o/
22:13:06 <charlie-tca> Thank you, micahg also. It is very much appreciated
22:13:11 <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg
22:13:19 <micahg> maco fixed the printer dialog issue
22:13:21 <micahg> ..
22:13:30 <charlie-tca> Yes! and it works, too
22:13:48 <mr_pouit> (indeed, sorry, I forgot this one too)
22:14:15 <charlie-tca> as to syncs, I hear Dutch translations are being pushed out by Xfce, so if possible, we want those
22:14:51 <micahg> yep, will keep an eye out, Thu Sep 29 is final freeze for images though
22:14:58 <charlie-tca> There are supposed to be at least 10 packages upgraded this week
22:15:17 <charlie-tca> Sept 15 is beta2 freeze
22:15:28 <mr_pouit> yeah, I told Pjotr to see upstream for the translations, and he pushed a bit Nick, so we might have new bugfix releases in the next few days
22:15:51 <charlie-tca> May as well get them in.
22:16:08 <charlie-tca> They are planning to push the latest gnome upgrades in on Sept 19
22:16:21 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Bug Triage & Testing ====
22:16:21 <micahg> so, right after beta 2 would probably be the time to land those new upstreams
22:16:45 <charlie-tca> no, if we can, we need them in beta2 to get them tested as much as we can
22:16:58 <micahg> freeze for that is thursday :)
22:17:01 <charlie-tca> yup
22:17:43 <charlie-tca> Testing is hit and miss this week
22:18:03 <charlie-tca> With the gnome upgrades coming in, we need to hit the images hard to make sure they work
22:18:22 <charlie-tca> All tests need to be done this week, and again Saturday/Sunday.
22:18:42 <charlie-tca> If gnome breaks things, we will revert to the last working images for Beta2
22:19:13 <charlie-tca> Seeing quite a few bugs coming in, we picked up a couple more bug reporters with beta1
22:19:40 <charlie-tca> Any questions?
22:20:01 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Website & Marketing ====
22:20:21 <charlie-tca> pleia2, knome : any updates?
22:20:28 <knome> pending on canonical IS
22:20:29 <charlie-tca> I know it is waiting for IS now, too.
22:21:00 <knome> yeah, nothing else happening now
22:21:01 <charlie-tca> knome: thank you for the updated logos
22:21:12 <charlie-tca> We got them into beta1, even!
22:21:13 <knome> np
22:21:18 <knome> good to hear that
22:21:24 <knome> they are fine?
22:21:42 <charlie-tca> They are from my view, yes
22:21:47 <knome> good
22:22:27 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Artwork ====
22:22:38 <charlie-tca> ochosi, madnick : Any news?
22:23:01 <madnick> I dont have any
22:23:19 <knome> probably no updates then, haven't seen ochosi much lately
22:23:37 <charlie-tca> We are looking very good right now. Artwork is in good shape, and people are happy with what they see.
22:23:46 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Announcements ===
22:23:52 <mr_pouit> (Lightdm greeter theme might come, maybe)
22:24:17 <charlie-tca> That would be great if we can make it happen.
22:24:34 <charlie-tca> I do have the bug yet, and am still pushing
22:24:39 <charlie-tca> * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-09-19 at 19:00 UTC
22:24:41 <charlie-tca> * Important dates coming up:
22:24:43 <charlie-tca> * We are now in UI Freeze
22:24:45 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Beta2 freeze: September 15
22:24:47 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Beta2: September 2
22:24:49 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
22:24:51 <charlie-tca> * We need to update the Team Reports this week.
22:24:53 <charlie-tca> * gnome updates will be dropped on September 19. Since that is so close to beta2, it is vital we get the images on the 17th and 18th. If the upgrade to gnome makes the images unusable, we will use the last known good image.
22:24:57 <charlie-tca> We really need to be on top of the testing this week, please!
22:25:23 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Any Other Business ===
22:25:41 <charlie-tca> This is a good time to bring up any thing you want to discuss...
22:25:54 <charlie-tca> Are there any questions?
22:26:09 <charlie-tca> going once...
22:26:10 <micahg> o/
22:26:15 <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg
22:26:40 <micahg> just an FYI, the final Firefox and Thunderbird builds for oneiric will be landing after beta 2 due to the upstream schedule
22:26:53 <micahg> We'll be shipping version 7 of each
22:26:59 <micahg> ..
22:27:00 <charlie-tca> Very minimal chance of breaking things, right?
22:27:04 <micahg> yep
22:27:11 <micahg> we'll have the final beta for beta 2
22:27:19 <charlie-tca> Kind of scared of the gnome upgrades, myself
22:27:42 <charlie-tca> going... 2
22:28:11 <charlie-tca> Thank you all for participating in the meeting. It is always great to see so many interested in shaping Xubuntu, as a project!@
22:28:26 <micahg> o/
22:28:31 <charlie-tca> Go ahead
22:28:48 <micahg> heh, about the e-mail WRT the linkedin group, is that something the project wants?
22:28:55 <micahg> ..
22:29:17 <charlie-tca> I answered that I don't use it, any one have an opinion on it?
22:29:37 * micahg uses linkedin, it's nice for networking
22:30:25 <charlie-tca> seems to be a very limited thing :(
22:30:41 <knome> why would one need Xubuntu *Users* in linkedin?
22:30:56 <mr_pouit> I've an account there as well, but I don't go there very often...
22:30:56 <charlie-tca> The email was to devel only, I thing
22:31:00 <charlie-tca> The email was to devel only, I think
22:31:07 <knome> but it was about users group
22:31:14 <knome> in linkedin
22:31:25 <knome> and the guy asked for official approval
22:31:28 <micahg> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-September/007970.html
22:31:34 <knome> can anyone of us even give that?
22:31:53 * micahg would think that's up to charlie-tca as project lead
22:32:00 <charlie-tca> What do you call groups in linedin? I suspect the "users group" is a generic term there
22:32:14 <micahg> you can have a group for anything you want
22:32:20 <knome> but, he asks "to be recognized by *Canonical*"
22:32:23 <mr_pouit> shouldn't we forward it to $random community manager?
22:32:23 <micahg> it's a way to network, ask questions
22:32:31 <knome> which i think is correct
22:32:32 <mr_pouit> (jono? jcastro?)
22:32:36 <knome> they need to ask Canonical
22:32:41 <knome> jono prolly
22:32:47 <micahg> why? xubuntu's a community project
22:32:57 <charlie-tca> Um, Canonical is not involved in Xubuntu, but I will go hunt down either jono or jorge and ask them about it
22:33:20 <knome> what i'm kind of thinking is
22:33:25 <charlie-tca> I don't believe Canonical will care either way, other than use of trademarks
22:33:25 <knome> who is administrating the group?
22:33:37 <mr_pouit> yeah, but canonical owns *buntu trademarks, so maybe they want to administer the linkedin group?
22:33:48 <knome> if it's an official, canonical/xubuntu recognized group, shouldn't one of them/us be the admin?
22:33:50 <charlie-tca> I can ask
22:34:08 <micahg> it would probable be an open group anyways
22:34:15 <knome> i'm not on linkedin myself, so i don't know much about the system
22:34:37 <knome> micahg, but the admin can change it to closed anyday, and make some unwanted changes there?
22:34:45 <charlie-tca> and if we are not members on linkedin, we can't actually be admins there either
22:34:56 <knome> micahg, and he'd get all of the joined people in a puddle of mud?
22:35:02 <knome> charlie-tca, exactly.
22:35:15 <knome> charlie-tca, that's another reason why jono/jcastro might come in handy. :)
22:35:22 <micahg> well, then the users of the group would be notified and have the option to leave
22:35:42 <knome> micahg, well of course, but that would still be bad for xubuntu, in a way
22:35:43 <charlie-tca> I expect it is similar to a group on indenti.ca, twitter, facebook, etc
22:36:01 <micahg> yup
22:36:13 <knome> imo, any group that is called "official", should be something that a xubuntu developer is an admin in
22:36:24 <charlie-tca> The only difference is this person dared to ask for permission
22:36:33 * micahg could be an admin if charlie-tca wanted
22:36:51 <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, that makes it "official" :)
22:36:53 <charlie-tca> I will bring the discussion up to jono or jorge and get a reading
22:37:07 <charlie-tca> Any thing else to discuss?
22:37:14 <knome> yeah, let's ask jono &/ jorge first :)
22:37:18 <charlie-tca> Let's go to work
22:37:28 <charlie-tca> #endmeeting