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22:01:54 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Aug 28 22:01:54 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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22:02:26 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting:
22:02:26 <meetingology> TOPIC: Agenda for today's meeting:
22:02:28 <charlie-tca> * Old business
22:02:29 <charlie-tca> * Team updates
22:02:32 <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development
22:02:33 <charlie-tca> * Bug Triage & Testing
22:02:35 <charlie-tca> * Website & Marketing
22:02:37 <charlie-tca> * Artwork
22:02:39 <charlie-tca> * Documentation
22:02:41 <charlie-tca> * Announcements
22:02:43 <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
22:02:45 <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
22:02:47 <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
22:02:50 <charlie-tca> Well, I got to remember not to paste things that way.
22:03:25 <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
22:03:27 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Old Business ===
22:03:27 <meetingology> TOPIC: === Old Business ===
22:03:55 <charlie-tca> * livecd menu logo - knome
22:03:59 <charlie-tca> knome: you around?
22:04:23 <GridCube> :/ he is not apparently
22:04:43 <charlie-tca> and I haven't seen the new logo on the menu yet
22:04:51 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Team updates ===
22:04:51 <meetingology> TOPIC: === Team updates ===
22:04:53 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Packaging & Development ====
22:04:53 <meetingology> TOPIC: ==== Packaging & Development ====
22:04:58 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you around?
22:05:03 <mr_pouit> yes
22:05:12 <charlie-tca> go ahead, sir
22:05:17 <GridCube> o/
22:06:01 <mr_pouit> there are very few updates this week, so I'll write them, and you can ask your question right after :P
22:06:14 <GridCube> yes no problem
22:06:54 <mr_pouit> micahg fixed the alternate cd to fit in 700M again; latest greybird uploaded, and plymouth 16bit theme added.
22:07:04 <mr_pouit> ..
22:07:24 <charlie-tca> Whee! short and simple. But got a lot done again
22:07:41 <GridCube> we have 3 different terminal emulators, can something be done to reduce this to at least two? xcfe4-terminal and xterm?
22:07:49 <charlie-tca> We should have good plymouth themes for everyone now, right?
22:07:51 <GridCube> (and hide xterm from the menus)
22:07:53 <GridCube> ..
22:08:01 <mr_pouit> (micahg: feel free to add if I forgot something ;-)
22:08:15 <madnick> o/
22:08:19 <micahg> o/
22:08:21 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you were going to remove a couple of terms from Accessories, or did we forget to tell you?
22:08:30 <mr_pouit> GridCube:  yeah we can hide xterm/uxterm from the default menu
22:08:39 <charlie-tca> madnick: go ahead?
22:08:41 <madnick> Is the bug in plymouth fixed?
22:08:58 <charlie-tca> It isn't fixed on the latest image
22:09:06 <madnick> okay
22:09:06 <madnick> ..
22:09:13 <charlie-tca> but updates seem to be held up waiting for the new ubiquity to get there, too.
22:09:16 <GridCube> mr_pouit, that would be useful to reduce redundancy and confusion (..)
22:09:16 <mr_pouit> madnick: the typos? Not yet (as it doesn't seem to break anything, it can wait for after the beta, right?)
22:09:32 <madnick> mr_pouit: I suppose :)
22:09:42 <charlie-tca> micahg: your question/comment?
22:10:12 <micahg> we have 4 FTBFS sources from the archive rebuild including xubuntu-docs
22:10:23 <micahg> but unless we have new docs for oneiric, we can fix after beta
22:10:46 <mr_pouit> GridCube: please file a bug against xubuntu-default-settings for anything related to the menu (it'll be done after the beta, and without a bug report as reminder it'll be forgotten)
22:10:49 <charlie-tca> I will have to track the docs guys down and see if we are getting the new stuff in
22:11:00 <micahg> also, I added back japanese to the alternate CD, there's more room, so I could add back another language as wel
22:11:06 <GridCube> (will do)
22:11:09 <mr_pouit> mmh, the person who took care of the docs in natty isn't very active lately
22:11:11 <micahg> ..
22:11:25 <charlie-tca> yeah, we seem to have that problem with docs
22:11:49 <charlie-tca> We really need someone to step up and work on them.
22:12:33 <mr_pouit> I'm afraid that we'll only replace 11.04 by 11.10 in the docs for this cycle :<
22:12:45 <charlie-tca> micahg: between you and mr_pouit, you will decide what to do with the cd's.
22:13:00 <charlie-tca> Well, sometimes that is all we can do.
22:13:37 <charlie-tca> Any other comments / questions for packaging and development?
22:14:05 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Bug Triage & Testing ====
22:14:05 <meetingology> TOPIC: ==== Bug Triage & Testing ====
22:14:42 <charlie-tca> We done really good testing daily images this week. Many thanks to those doing those tests.
22:14:45 <charlie-tca> * Please sync your images. We begin Beta1 testing on Tuesday.
22:14:52 <GridCube> o/
22:14:59 <charlie-tca> go ahead, GridCube
22:15:15 <GridCube> the bluetooth thing is being worked i gather?
22:15:42 <charlie-tca> I thought that got fixed already
22:15:57 <GridCube> oh, havent tested since last time, sorry
22:16:56 <mr_pouit> which issue is it again?
22:17:03 <charlie-tca> Not sure which bug number that is, our list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot is growing again
22:17:13 <charlie-tca> GridCube: explain it again, please.
22:17:46 <charlie-tca> blue tooth causing gnome-control-center to crash?
22:17:49 <GridCube> when you choose bluetooht on the menu it calls gnome-something bluetooth
22:18:04 <GridCube> yes that
22:18:11 <mr_pouit> ah, indeed, "gnome-control-center bluetooth"
22:19:19 <mr_pouit> well, we can: 1/ put the correct dep to gnome-control-center (but it'll bring it on our iso, and possibly for gnome apps, ~unknown side effects)
22:19:35 <mr_pouit> 2/ drop gnome-bluetooth from the default install
22:19:43 <mr_pouit> 3/ try to find a replacement for it
22:19:56 <charlie-tca> Does dropping gnome-bluetooth mean bluetooth won't work at all?
22:20:31 * charlie-tca likes 3/ best
22:20:58 <GridCube> bug 866311
22:20:59 <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 866311 could not be found
22:21:00 <mr_pouit> Bug #831488
22:21:01 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 831488 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu Oneiric) "gnome-bluetooth should Recommends gnome-control-center" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488
22:21:10 <mr_pouit> err, which one is it? :p
22:21:16 <GridCube> bug 836311
22:21:17 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 836311 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "xubuntu menus have too many terminal emulators" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836311
22:21:35 <charlie-tca> Oh, good
22:21:38 <mr_pouit> GridCube: thanks
22:21:43 <GridCube> no problem
22:21:48 <charlie-tca> Is that the right bluetooth bug, GridCube ?
22:21:57 <mr_pouit> is bug #831488 the one you were thinking about?
22:22:18 <GridCube> thats the one i reported yes
22:22:29 <GridCube> see my name there :P
22:22:31 <charlie-tca> Yup, that's the one
22:22:39 <mr_pouit> seb128 wrote: "The issue is that the bluetooth interface is a control-center panel in GNOME3 so it should depends on it"
22:22:43 <charlie-tca> GridCube: it ain't fixed
22:23:05 <mr_pouit> so yeah, if we go 1/, it'll bring gnome-control-center by default
22:23:17 <charlie-tca> yup
22:23:37 <charlie-tca> and they won't fix it by allowing it to not be a depends
22:23:57 <GridCube> isnt there another bluetooht manager?
22:24:21 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: it still should not give an error when you don't have bluetooth, should it?
22:24:27 <mr_pouit> there's "blueman", but I don't know its state in oneiric
22:24:58 <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: no, it won't give any error, since gnome-contrl-center is missing, so the current menu entry is useless
22:25:17 <micahg> well, it's yet another thing to port to dh_python2, but that's acceptable...
22:25:22 <charlie-tca> but that is what the bug is for. It did crash with no bluetooth
22:25:36 <charlie-tca> blueman, micahg ?
22:25:39 <micahg> yep
22:25:43 <charlie-tca> Let's file it then
22:25:43 <GridCube> !info blueman
22:25:44 <ubottu> blueman (source: blueman): A Graphical bluetooth manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21-4.1build1 (natty), package size 423 kB, installed size 2680 kB
22:25:55 <charlie-tca> !info blueman oneiric
22:26:00 <ubottu> blueman (source: blueman): A Graphical bluetooth manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21-4.1build1 (oneiric), package size 423 kB, installed size 2680 kB
22:26:08 <GridCube> there is another one
22:26:16 <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: (no no, the bug is about a missing dep: gnome-control-center isn't installed and can't be found)
22:26:16 <GridCube> !info bluez oneiric
22:26:17 <micahg> there's a new branch in experimental, but I wouldn't want to tinker with this for beta 1
22:26:17 <ubottu> bluez (source: bluez): Bluetooth tools and daemons. In component main, is optional. Version 4.96-0ubuntu3 (oneiric), package size 566 kB, installed size 1716 kB (Only available for amd64 armel i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc alpha armhf avr32 hppa m68k powerpcspe sh4 sparc64 ppc64 all)
22:26:35 <charlie-tca> Well, beat me with a wet trout.
22:27:01 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : if blueman will let us use bluetooth with out the gnome stuff, let's go that way
22:27:13 <mr_pouit> GridCube: bluez doesn't provide any graphical interface I think
22:27:21 <charlie-tca> We can fix it after beta1, right?
22:27:36 <charlie-tca> I can release note it for this beta1
22:28:43 <GridCube> i support the idea of blueman, so no gnome-control-center is needed
22:29:12 <charlie-tca> Let's not forget to do this. Do we need bugs filed for it?
22:29:46 <micahg> ah, it's about to go to unstable
22:29:51 <micahg> charlie-tca: yes, we'll need an FFe
22:30:02 <GridCube> i guess the original one still stand
22:30:08 <charlie-tca> for the dh_python thing?
22:30:23 <micahg> well, I'll file that later, no, I meant for the switch to bluean
22:30:25 <micahg> *blueman
22:30:33 <charlie-tca> Okay, I will file one then
22:30:54 <mr_pouit> I'd say: one against xubuntu-meta (for the seeds' change, so FFe), and one against xubuntu-default-settings (might be necessary to ship custom settings for xubuntu)
22:31:17 <charlie-tca> Want me to file two of them, then?
22:31:32 <charlie-tca> or file one for blueman, and ask about the other one/
22:31:34 <charlie-tca> ?
22:32:17 <mr_pouit> we'll need one against xubuntu-meta to get the FFe (the second one for the default settings can come later)
22:32:32 <charlie-tca> Okay.
22:32:54 <micahg> the downside is no indicator integration, but I guess it's useless anyways if other parts are broke
22:32:58 <mr_pouit> (but anyway, as you've said, let's not target that for the beta)
22:33:03 <charlie-tca> [ACTION] charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds
22:33:03 * meetingology charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds
22:33:29 <charlie-tca> right, I would think getting bluetooth usable is important
22:33:32 <micahg> I'll work on the FFe for the new version of blueman
22:33:45 <micahg> unless mr_pouit would like to handle it
22:34:01 <charlie-tca> [ACTION] micahg or mr_pouit to do FFe for blueman
22:34:01 * meetingology micahg or mr_pouit to do FFe for blueman
22:34:16 <micahg> and no rdepends, so we can own it :)
22:34:25 <charlie-tca> Great!
22:34:30 <micahg> or pwn it :)
22:34:47 <charlie-tca> sounds right to me
22:34:55 <charlie-tca> Anything else ?
22:35:06 <charlie-tca> moving on,
22:35:08 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Website & Marketing ====
22:35:08 <meetingology> TOPIC: ==== Website & Marketing ====
22:35:10 * micahg guesses gilir might follow us on this one too :)
22:35:12 <charlie-tca> pleia2: here?
22:35:15 <mr_pouit> micahg: if there's some dh-python in it, I'm happy to let you do it ;-)
22:35:39 <micahg> mr_pouit: heh, I haven't done an actual conversion yet, currently it's still using python-central
22:35:44 <charlie-tca> I would think gilir will, since they don't want gnome everything either
22:35:44 <pleia2> charlie-tca: ticket was submitted to canonical for review of the theme and plugin, but no word back yet
22:36:02 <charlie-tca> Yeah, got to give them a while, I guess
22:36:18 <charlie-tca> Anybody want to take on Marketing yet?
22:36:20 <pleia2> once that's done we'll have a staging site which the team can review before we launch
22:36:29 <charlie-tca> I suppose I have to revive that again
22:36:41 <GridCube> o/
22:36:53 <charlie-tca> GridCube: you want to take Marketing?
22:36:56 <GridCube> the top 10 will go to the new website?
22:36:59 <GridCube> XD no
22:37:06 <pleia2> GridCube: that's the plan :)
22:37:06 <GridCube> I was following the rules
22:37:09 <charlie-tca> yes, the top 10 will go to the new website
22:37:23 * charlie-tca got my hopes up
22:37:33 <GridCube> I don't know what the marketing is
22:37:37 <GridCube> but i can try
22:38:14 * GridCube has only taken administration clasess, not the marketing ones :(
22:38:21 <charlie-tca> It's pretty big. getting out some blogs, news articles, keep Xubuntu in the news as much as possible, twitter or facebook if you have it, etc
22:38:33 <GridCube> mmm
22:38:59 <charlie-tca> generally, let people know we are alive and still going :)
22:39:08 <madnick> I can wear an Xubuntu shirt ;)
22:39:11 <GridCube> I do work whit free internet access and a lot of free time, but i don't really know, If you want i will try
22:39:38 <GridCube> (also i do promote xubuntu all the time)
22:39:48 <charlie-tca> Great! I will get with you and see what we can do, then
22:39:48 <GridCube> ..
22:39:54 <GridCube> no problem
22:40:11 <madnick> o/
22:40:14 <charlie-tca> Anything else for website or marketing?
22:40:18 <charlie-tca> go ahead, madnick
22:40:29 <madnick> There should be an "xubuntu store"
22:40:35 <madnick> Like the Ubuntu store
22:40:53 <charlie-tca> Yeah, that may be "way way" down the road
22:40:59 <madnick> oh okay
22:41:02 <madnick> ..
22:41:18 <charlie-tca> It would be nice just to get Xubuntu cd's in the store, though
22:42:19 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Artwork ====
22:42:19 <meetingology> TOPIC: ==== Artwork ====
22:42:27 <charlie-tca> ochosi: you here today?
22:43:31 <charlie-tca> madnick: you got any updates here?
22:43:56 <GridCube> o/ (little off-topic)
22:43:59 <charlie-tca> go ahead
22:44:34 <madnick> well
22:44:46 <madnick> ill wait :)
22:44:58 <GridCube> I've read in the logs that ubuntu-studio asked madnick help on making their own greeter, I know this isn't exactly xubuntu bussiness but i would like to know how that was going :P
22:45:10 <charlie-tca> madnick: ?
22:45:30 <madnick> Well, on that, I have not had much time this week to work on the greeter, but I will start tomorrow to really get back on that
22:45:40 <madnick> On the ubuntu-studio thing
22:45:40 <astraljava> We just briefly discussed about the way the greeter was made, that's all.
22:45:47 <madnick> yes
22:46:21 <madnick> ..
22:46:34 <GridCube> oh okay just wanted to know (..)
22:46:47 <charlie-tca> Thanks for the update. Any help you can give studio will be greatly appreciated, too.
22:47:13 * charlie-tca knows we are asking a lot, with the greeter thing.
22:47:20 <astraljava> Yes, very much so. (..)
22:48:17 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Announcements ===
22:48:17 <meetingology> TOPIC: === Announcements ===
22:48:19 <charlie-tca> * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-09-05 at 19:00 UTC
22:48:21 <charlie-tca> * Important dates coming up:
22:48:23 <charlie-tca> * We are now in UI Freeze and Beta1 Freeze
22:48:25 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Beta1: September 1
22:48:27 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
22:48:29 <charlie-tca> * We need to update the Team Reports this week.
22:48:31 <charlie-tca> oh, I forgot again
22:48:47 <charlie-tca> Team Reports. We need to try and stay on top of them
22:49:17 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Any Other Business ===
22:49:17 <meetingology> TOPIC: === Any Other Business ===
22:49:42 <GridCube> o/
22:49:53 <pleia2> Sorry if I missed it (working during this meeting, silly hurricane), do we have Beta announcement notes for the site?
22:49:54 <charlie-tca> Beta1 this next week. Let's try and get a good news writeup. It is going to happen, for sure.
22:50:05 <pleia2> thanks charlie-tca
22:50:08 <charlie-tca> not yet
22:50:16 <charlie-tca> GridCube: your turn
22:50:22 <pleia2> just give me a nudge this week when we've got them
22:50:26 <GridCube> I have the top 10 done pretty much
22:50:27 <charlie-tca> Sure will
22:50:50 <charlie-tca> When it is ready, just give pleia2 the URL
22:51:19 <GridCube> i've made a shorturl http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/2e/31/0000312e.jpeg
22:51:23 <GridCube> no not that one
22:51:26 <charlie-tca> or give it now, and maybe she will be kind enough to look it over and see if we need to change anything
22:51:28 <pleia2> I am on the top 10 google doc
22:51:34 <GridCube> http://alturl.com/qq8o4
22:51:36 <GridCube> there
22:51:36 <pleia2> GridCube: cactus! :)
22:51:51 <charlie-tca> Thanks!
22:51:52 <GridCube> XD yes huge cactus
22:52:05 <charlie-tca> any thing to be discussed?
22:52:35 <charlie-tca> pleia2: can you take a look when you get a chance?
22:52:44 <GridCube> number 10 question needs a lot of work tho
22:52:55 <pleia2> charlie-tca: will do
22:53:03 <charlie-tca> Thank you.
22:53:15 <charlie-tca> Let's go back to work then.
22:53:17 <charlie-tca> #endmeeting