== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntustudio-devel Meeting, 23 Jun at 19:02 — 20:17 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-06-23-19.02.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== New People ===
The discussion about "New People" started at 19:13.


=== Current Projects ===
The discussion about "Current Projects" started at 19:29.

  * OvenWerks nearly done with -controls, creating manpages
  * OvenWerks starting work on Plasma.
  * ''DONE:'' Audio Handbook Release
  * ''DONE:'' -look Symbolic Links created for Plasma to reference wallpapers
  * ''DONE:'' Change logo in -icons, -look, and -menu to white logo on blue circle, uniform with other flavors.
  * eylul and Eickmeyer working on website and access to backend for new theme

=== Replace lightdm with sddm ===
The discussion about "Replace lightdm with sddm" started at 19:39.

  * topic tabled until OvenWerks can give input & present case.

=== New Plymouth Theme ===
The discussion about "New Plymouth Theme" started at 19:44.

  * ''ACTION:'' eylul working on Plymouth theme
  * ''Vote:'' Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K (Carried)
  * ''ACTION:'' eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity.



== Vote results ==

 * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-06-23-19.02.log.html#181 Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K]]
  * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 3/0/1)
   *  Voters captain-tux, krytarik, Eickmeyer, eylul



== Action items, by person ==

 * eylul
  * eylul working on Plymouth theme
  * eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity.



== Done items ==

 * Audio Handbook Release
 * -look Symbolic Links created for Plasma to reference wallpapers
 * Change logo in -icons, -look, and -menu to white logo on blue circle, uniform with other flavors.



== People present (lines said) ==

 * Eickmeyer (93)
 * eylul (85)
 * meetingology (15)
 * captain-tux (11)
 * krytarik (5)
 * cyphermox (0)
 * tsimonq2 (0)
 * OvenWerks (0)



== Full Log ==


 19:02 <Eickmeyer> #startmeeting

 19:02 <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Jun 23 19:02:25 2018 UTC.  The chair is Eickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 19:02 <meetingology> 

 19:02 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 19:03 <Eickmeyer> #chair Eickmeyer eylul OvenWerks krytarik captain-tux cyphermox tsimonq2

 19:03 <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux cyphermox eylul krytarik tsimonq2

 19:04 <Eickmeyer> Anybody else here?

 19:04 <captain-tux> Hi

 19:04 <Eickmeyer> Hey captain-tux!

 19:04 <krytarik> Howdy.

 19:04 <Eickmeyer> Hey krytarik!

 19:05 <Eickmeyer> Well, shall we get started and hope everyone else shows up?

 19:07 <krytarik> Or wait a few more minutes..

 19:07 <Eickmeyer> I'm not seeing any of the new people here that have recently joined. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 19:07 <Eickmeyer> Good idea.

 19:11 * eylul sneaks in

 19:11 <Eickmeyer> eylul: o/

 19:12 <eylul> hi! sorry i missed the last meeting

 19:12 <Eickmeyer> No worries!

 19:12 <captain-tux> Greetings

 19:12 <eylul> :)

 19:12 <Eickmeyer> I'm hoping OvenWerks shows since he added an item to the agenda.

 19:12 * Eickmeyer might make a spot on the wiki for the current agenda

 19:13 <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, we've had a number of people express interest in helping, none of whom are currently here. I would like to welcome them to the team.

 19:13 <Eickmeyer> #topic New People

 19:14 <Eickmeyer> I would love to get a list of what everyone is working on so we know where to plug people in.

 19:16 <eylul> Do you mean us or the new people?

 19:16 <Eickmeyer> I mean everyone, and where to get the new people plugged-in.

 19:17 <eylul> I am trying to do graphics stuff that shows up. Do we have someone who can take the lead on the especially technical side of the website?

 19:17 <eylul> e.g. finalizing the theme, setting up git to mirror the stage or a stage they set up. etc.

 19:17 <eylul> that might be one thing for someone who doesn't want to work on packaging but have some technical expertise

 19:17 <eylul> I think some people showed interest in testing. *thinks out loud*

 19:18 <Eickmeyer> I'm still trying to get access to the backend. I'm familiar with Wordpress, and since it's wordpress I could get things rolling if I had the access. Still working on that. I sent an email but I don't think it went through.

 19:18 <eylul> live backend, or the stage backend?

 19:18 <Eickmeyer> live backend. Do you have the stage backend?

 19:19 <eylul> I am hosting the stage backend, I just have no idea how to set up git to mirror it

 19:19 <eylul> launchpad's git is somewhat melting my brain ;)

 19:19 <Eickmeyer> I've been getting the hang of Launchpad's git. I just packaged Carla with it.

 19:19 <eylul> nice.

 19:20 <eylul> If you want I'll give you, or someone else ssh access.

 19:20 <Eickmeyer> I'll go ahead. I'm kinda on a roll with Carla packaged and the Audio Handbook completely uploaded.

 19:21 <eylul> I have some knowledge on wordpress development. but lack of understanding of the launchpad pretty much means I am not very useful on short term. (besides the child theme is done for most part)

 19:21 <eylul> ok

 19:22 <Eickmeyer> It really means getting the theme and child theme in /wp-content/themes, and getting whatever images uploaded.

 19:22 <eylul> we can even upload the images manually on live

 19:22 <eylul> it really is getting the theme in

 19:23 <eylul> (assume images are separate from the theme like krytarik was suggesting we keep them)

 19:23 <Eickmeyer> Yep. Getting the theme in requires FTP or the like.

 19:23 <eylul> we need to put a ticket in with IS

 19:23 <eylul> or at least that's how it worked last time. We are not allowed direct access to it

 19:23 <Eickmeyer> I'll ping them and see if I can get tsimonq2 or cyphermox to vouch.

 19:23 <eylul> *nods*

 19:23 <Eickmeyer> I mean, if they only want to talk to sakrecoer.

 19:24 <Eickmeyer> Which, I understand, has been the case in the past.

 19:24 <eylul> honestly last attempt was 2 years ago so it is worth trying to start over in this case, it is possible procedures changed even by now

 19:24 <Eickmeyer> True.

 19:24 <Eickmeyer> Anybody else working on anything?

 19:25 <eylul> Ovenwerks is working on controls

 19:25 <eylul> obviously

 19:25 <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks has all but finished controls. He's working on the manpages currently.

 19:25 <eylul> nice

 19:25 <Eickmeyer> He's also starting on Plasma.

 19:26 <Eickmeyer> I'm subscribed to our daily build PPA, and controls is working really well.

 19:26 <Eickmeyer> Also, your new wallpaper is now default.

 19:27 <eylul> nice.

 19:27 <eylul> did I.. ever create the png version of it?

 19:27 <Eickmeyer> I think it's png?

 19:27 <eylul> or send the png version

 19:28 <Eickmeyer> Yep, it's png.

 19:28 <eylul> ok :)

 19:29 <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, I never updated the topic.

 19:29 <Eickmeyer> #topic Current Projects

 19:30 <Eickmeyer> #info OvenWerks nearly done with -controls, creating manpages

 19:30 <Eickmeyer> #info OvenWerks starting work on Plasma.

 19:30 <Eickmeyer> #done Audio Handbook Release

 19:31 <Eickmeyer> By the way, has anybody had time to look at the audio handbook on the wiki?

 19:31 <eylul> not yet I saw we had it released.

 19:31 <Eickmeyer> Yep. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook

 19:32 <Eickmeyer> #done -look Symbolic Links created for Plasma to reference wallpapers

 19:33 <Eickmeyer> #done Change logo in -icons, -look, and -menu to white logo on blue circle, uniform with other flavors.

 19:33 <eylul> oh we have a cover image

 19:33 <captain-tux> I planned to have a read through it next week.

 19:33 <eylul> is it ready

 19:33 <Eickmeyer> We got a lot done these past two weeks!

 19:33 <eylul> or draft stage?

 19:33 <eylul> e.g is it ready to be be converted to epub/pdf

 19:34 <Eickmeyer> eylul: It's ready. Pete went in and edited what he needed to do. I'm waiting on him to do the PDF.

 19:34 <Eickmeyer> since he has the original .odt file.

 19:34 <eylul> I am on lockdown until thursday'ish between work and.. well other things.

 19:34 * Eickmeyer nods

 19:35 <Eickmeyer> The PDF we have is the draft, so I didn't link it.

 19:35 <eylul> but after that, if it is not done yet i can make the pdf while doing the epub

 19:36 <Eickmeyer> Okay. I have a larger image of the cover, but it's not super huge. Might take bringing it into inkscape and having it vectorized.

 19:36 <eylul> if you vectorize it, the background might go odd

 19:36 <Eickmeyer> #info eylul and Eickmeyer working on website and access to backend for new theme

 19:36 <eylul> not sure if inkscape can handle correctly vectorizing gradient

 19:37 <Eickmeyer> Do we have the original layerd version of that wallpaper?

 19:37 <eylul> and if it is mean to be online only, the image doesn't have to be super huge.

 19:37 <Eickmeyer> True.

 19:38 * eylul shrugs.

 19:39 <Eickmeyer> Well, let's move on, but I was hoping OvenWerks would be here for the next topic.

 19:39 <Eickmeyer> #topic Replace lightdm with sddm

 19:40 <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks noticed a number of advantages sddm has over lightdm, especially when it comes to distinguishing between wayland and xorg versions of sessions.

 19:41 <Eickmeyer> Currently, lightdm makes no distinction. i.e. Plasma wayland and Plasma xorg show up as duplicate Plasma entries in the menu.

 19:41 <Eickmeyer> That said, without him here, I'd like to table this topic.

 19:42 <Eickmeyer> Thoughts?

 19:43 <Eickmeyer> Okay, we'll table that one.

 19:43 <captain-tux> Uhm yeah, can't really say anything about that.

 19:43 <eylul> sounds good from a user point of view to have that distinction, but yeah

 19:43 <eylul> same as captain-tux on this one :)

 19:43 <Eickmeyer> Okay, we'll table that.

 19:44 <Eickmeyer> #info topic tabled until OvenWerks can give input & present case.

 19:44 <Eickmeyer> #topic New Plymouth Theme

 19:44 <Eickmeyer> This was an idea I had which I have yet to play with. Any thoughts? Our theme is looking rather dated.

 19:46 <captain-tux> Well, it's not flat, if that's what you mean by dated.. ;) I like it, but the spinning logo is not centered..

 19:47 <Eickmeyer> captain-tux: Yeah, agreed, and that has always bugged me. Not sure I like the spinning either.

 19:47 <eylul> I do need to look at the theme before giving an opinion if the rest of the group isn't decided by now.  but generally I will say anything with no bright colors

 19:47 <eylul> and minimalist generally is good for people doing graphics

 19:48 <Eickmeyer> I'm talking about the Plymouth theme, not UI, just to make that clear.

 19:48 <captain-tux> I believe plymouth would just be the splash screen at boot, yes?

 19:48 <eylul> oh

 19:48 <eylul> I apologize.

 19:48 <Eickmeyer> Yes, Plymouth is the splash screen at boot.

 19:48 <Eickmeyer> No worries, eylul. Clarification was in order.

 19:48 <eylul> I don't mind the spinning. from a loading perspective.

 19:49 <eylul> visualizing loading

 19:49 <eylul> but if we want to switch it, I am not against it

 19:49 <eylul> its been there a while.

 19:49 <eylul> if we want something, new. if you give me some parameters of what we are aiming for, i can create graphics for it.

 19:49 <eylul> (unless somebody volunteered for that already)

 19:50 <Eickmeyer> I envision something a little more modern, and perhaps removing the tagline?

 19:50 <eylul> what do you mean with modern exactly. is it as captain-tux mentioned, material design?

 19:51 <Eickmeyer> I shy away from saying that, but I'm thinking we can take some cues from the other flavors for ideas. Kubuntu does a pulsing blue glow behind their logo, I think Xubuntu has a line that bounces (for lack of better desrciption)...

 19:51 <Eickmeyer> Lubuntu is a recolored version of the default Ubuntu one, iirc.

 19:52 <Eickmeyer> eylul: Maybe integrate something showcasing your wallpaper?

 19:53 <eylul> I can do that

 19:53 <eylul> I will need to look at what type of animation format is required. one question I will ask through

 19:53 <eylul> is this something we want to keep switching with wallpapers?

 19:54 <Eickmeyer> Not sure, but it's somewhere to start. Not a bad idea, though.

 19:54 <captain-tux> It's easy: Nice, modern, innovative, unique with a bit of vintage flair. Simple.

 19:54 <eylul> and also something that works well with a very low resolution

 19:55 <eylul> which I think might be a bigger reason why the current one looks dated

 19:55 <Eickmeyer> Yeah, adaptable like most Plymouth themes.

 19:55 <eylul> more than the spinning

 19:55 <eylul> it has a background texture to it

 19:56 <eylul> but ok

 19:56 <eylul> when is the feature freeze?

 19:56 <Eickmeyer> eylul: I'd love to see what you can come up with. Want to take a crack at it?

 19:56 <Eickmeyer> Pretty sure sometime in September.

 19:57 <eylul> ok

 19:57 <eylul> yeah

 19:57 <eylul> I'll take a look

 19:57 <eylul> and if you don't mind

 19:57 <eylul> after I survive this week, I'd ask help from you sometime that works with you

 19:57 <eylul> to set up git

 19:57 <eylul> and a dev.

 19:58 <eylul> so that I can upload on my own, and work without.. well

 19:58 <eylul> needing to reroll back because things went askew

 19:58 <Eickmeyer> Okay, yeah, sounds good.

 19:58 <Eickmeyer> So, you're cool with taking on plymouth?

 19:58 <eylul> that's basically the main hiccup that keeps me from doing dev work.

 19:58 <eylul> yeah

 19:59 <Eickmeyer> #action eylul working on Plymouth theme

 19:59 * meetingology eylul working on Plymouth theme

 20:00 <Eickmeyer> Okay. Next isn't on the agenda, but, do we want to revisit the wallpaper resolutions?

 20:00 <eylul> krytarik? you were the one with objection previously. :)

 20:02 <krytarik> Well tbh, if you all want to load a 5 MB wallpaper on login, and I'm the only one who thinks that's a tad too much... :P

 20:03 <Eickmeyer> tbh, I don't care either way, but I tend to lean on the side of forward progress. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 20:04 <eylul> krytarik: ovenwerks tested it on his system, it didn't result in anything noticeable, to have a larger overhead. We have already discussed before that we don't cater to low end, after market PCs as most of our users (audio and visual) both probably use computers with a fair bit processing power.

 20:04 <eylul> did you run into a specific problem? or is it just a desire to be minimalist. if it is former, it is important that we do know.

 20:06 <krytarik> More the general point, yes.

 20:06 <eylul> ok

 20:06 <Eickmeyer> Okay. Should we move on with our previous vote, or should we revote? Bear in mind, many of those that voted previously (captain-tux, OvenWerks) are not currently here.

 20:07 <captain-tux> I'm back, my wire broke down sorry..

 20:07 <eylul> welcome back

 20:07 <Eickmeyer> wb captain-tux. I thought we had lost you to the ether.

 20:07 <captain-tux> Thanks, something like that. :)

 20:08 <eylul> :)

 20:09 <eylul> I am not against a revote or work with previous vote. Either way my vote will be on the same direction. That being said, especially on future wallpapers, I am not against trying to be more conscious about the file size (which is different from the resolution) my work IS a bit on heavy side, as it was created in a raster format.

 20:10 <Eickmeyer> Well, might as well take a vote here.

 20:11 <Eickmeyer> #vote Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K

 20:11 <meetingology> Please vote on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K

 20:11 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

 20:11 <Eickmeyer> +1

 20:11 <meetingology> +1 received from Eickmeyer

 20:11 <eylul> +1

 20:11 <meetingology> +1 received from eylul

 20:11 <captain-tux> +1

 20:11 <meetingology> +1 received from captain-tux

 20:11 <Eickmeyer> Anybody else?

 20:11 <eylul> krytarik?

 20:11 <krytarik> +0

 20:11 <meetingology> +0 received from krytarik

 20:12 <Eickmeyer> Okay, i think that's everyone present.

 20:12 <Eickmeyer> #endvote

 20:12 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K

 20:12 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1

 20:12 <meetingology> Motion carried

 20:12 <Eickmeyer> Well, there it is.

 20:12 <eylul> krytarik I will look into seeing if the image can be traced, or somehow reduced in filesize without losing its integrity.

 20:13 <Eickmeyer> That sounds like a plan.

 20:14 <Eickmeyer> #action eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity.

 20:14 * meetingology eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity.

 20:15 <Eickmeyer> Okay. That's all I've got for this meeting. Anybody have anything?

 20:15 <eylul> not from me

 20:16 <Eickmeyer> Well, shall we adjourn?

 20:16 <eylul> +1 :)

 20:16 <captain-tux> Nothing else on my side.

 20:17 <Eickmeyer> #endmeeting



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