19:01 #startmeeting 19:01 Meeting started Sat Jun 9 19:01:28 2018 UTC. The chair is ErichEickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:01 19:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:01 #chair ErichEickmeyer eylul krytarik OvenWerks 19:01 Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer OvenWerks eylul krytarik 19:01 Okay, anyone here? 19:02 Yup 19:02 Sweet. We could wait for everyone else to show up. 19:03 #topic ubuntustudio-controls 19:03 Hey OvenWerks, how's the progress? 19:04 I think it is about usable now. 19:04 Sweet. I'm assuming the latest build was successful? 19:05 there is a build in: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild 19:05 it can be tested in 18.04 and .10 19:05 Cool. I'll download and install it sometime later today to help in the testing. 19:06 Next step would be to get it in the cosmic repo. 19:06 yes 19:07 That might have to be a ross or tsimonq2 thing. 19:07 I think so. 19:07 Okay. 19:07 -controls is a little less disruptive than cadence 19:07 also cadence and -controls do not work together 19:08 cadence and qjackctl don't work together either. :P 19:08 cadence is quite intrusive 19:08 #done initial builds of new ubuntustudio-controls available for testing. 19:08 we should probably add a breaks cadence or something 19:09 #info ubuntustudio-controls breaks cadence 19:09 OvenWerks: Would we add that to the package? 19:09 I think so 19:09 Cool. 19:09 The only problem is that there is no cadence package 19:10 so knowing the exact name is hard :( 19:10 Well, then it'll have to be part of the release notes. 19:11 Usually it's cadence, at least in the kxstudio ppa it is. 19:11 I'll add that 19:11 Cool. 19:12 #agreed "add cadence to package breaks for ubuntustudio-controls" 19:12 Okay. On to the next topic 19:13 #topic ubuntustudio-welcome and -boutique 19:14 No real progress to report. It's been a busy week. Though, if anybody wants to contribute in the rebranding process, it's at https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-welcome and https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-boutique. 19:14 #link https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-welcome 19:14 #link https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-boutique 19:15 Any questions or comments? 19:16 was going to ask if we need welcome too... but think it is probably good to have. 19:16 Well, from looking at the code, they kinda depend on each other. 19:16 if we can pack then as a deb would be nice too. 19:17 iirc they're available as deb. 19:17 At least, the budgie and mate versions are. 19:17 cool 19:17 The mate version is only installed as a snap by default. 19:18 That's all I've got. Still working on the rebranding. This past week was crazy for me. 19:18 On to next topic 19:19 k 19:19 #topic Documentation 19:19 #subtopic Cleanup 19:19 The documentation is a mess, and I added myself to try to see what I could do about changing some outdated documentation. Haven't seen SlidingHorn around for a while, but I was hoping he'd lead the charge on this. 19:20 There's also a "setup" section that has a lot of things that -controls does for you without having to touch the command line (add user to audio, rt memory unlock, etc.). 19:21 So, that needs to be modified to talk more about -controls than any manual changes to config files. 19:21 ya, thats old 19:22 Yeah. I'll be going through that as I have time and clean it up and make some revisions. Already changed the references to the current versions which were about 2 years outdated. 19:24 Okay, next topic. 19:24 #topic Wallpapers 19:24 I don't know why I put this on the agenda since I have nothing. Though, we did run into a bit of a tabled topic last time. Is eylul available? 19:26 I think we are still stuck 19:26 Okay. We'll keep it tabled. :/ 19:26 #topic New Website Theme 19:27 Not seeing Ross or eylul, so we'll have to move on. We need to get that theme uploaded. 19:27 right 19:27 #topic Musician's Handbook 19:27 First of all, big welcome and thank you to preppert who is not here right now for that amazing handbook. I had the privilege of reading it. 19:28 Where is this Musician’s Handbook? 19:28 WMRamadan: It's still work-in-progress, but he linked it on the mailing list and you can find the thread in the archives. 19:29 I plan on making a spot on the User Wiki for it to live as a living document, and that can be used to make official releases likely following every release as proposed by eylul. 19:30 Should be mostly a copy-paste operation. 19:30 My question is if preppert was planning on publishing it as a physical or ebook? 19:31 Because that would be amazing. 19:31 Anything to add? Anyone? 19:32 * OvenWerks can't find the mail list archive... 19:32 yea I can’t find it either 19:33 #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/ 19:33 Specifically https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-June/subject.html 19:34 Much better it was hard searching the archive 19:34 Cool. 19:35 Well, I guess we'll get the answer. Anyhow, let's move on. 19:35 #topic ubuntustudio-icon-theme: change disto icon 19:36 So, the thing I was thinking is that the distributor-loco icon is a bit dated, and not uniform with the blue circle enclosing the logo on the other flavors, so I thought it would be a good idea to fix that. I'm all for doing it myself using the svgs avalable. 19:36 * OvenWerks is obtuse and wonders what is wrong with the old one or what is the new thing 19:37 Ya sure, go ahead. 19:38 Cool. 19:39 Can't find it right now, but I'll link it if I can. 19:40 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=White-on-Blue_circle.svg 19:40 That. 19:40 There do seem to be more than one, the one on our launchpad page is different than on my menu 19:40 That is the one in Launchpad 19:40 Yeah. Seems that both are official, but the circled one seems to be more uniform with the rest of the flavors. 19:40 The one on my menu is negative to that 19:41 You mean this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Blue-on-White_circle.svg 19:41 It is trying to look like and open reel tape reel 19:41 yes 19:42 We can still have that for wallpapers, but I was thinking about uniformity with the rest of the flavors. 19:42 for example? 19:42 square? 19:43 (ish) 19:44 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ubuntu-official-flavors.jpg 19:44 Just an example. 19:44 ok 19:44 That's a bunch of flavors and the official "circle of friends". I guess ours is the "circle of reel?" XD 19:45 reely reely 19:45 haha 19:45 Anyhow, so I guess I'll go ahead and play around with it. Might be a good first package for me to modify. 19:46 Okay, on to the next topic... 19:46 ok, the reel thing just happens to be round like most buntu things but otherwise does not even start to cover all Studio does. 19:47 Agreed. Though, I don't think completely revising the logo is a good thing to do right now. 19:47 no 19:47 I'm just talking about the one icon package. 19:47 Anyhow... 19:48 #topic hangar18 stepping down 19:48 go ahead with next 19:48 Charlie wanted to contribute, but realized it wasn't a good time for him citing family issues. I just wanted to let everyone know in case weird rumors fly around. 19:49 The timing with the Github post on the ML was what prompted me to try to kill the rumors. 19:49 no problem, people are here as they can be. 19:49 And next topic... 19:50 #topic Changing meetings from weekly to semi-weekly 19:50 I think it'd be healthy at this point in the development process to meet every other week. 19:50 concidering how many people are here today and the amount of changes since last time... 19:51 Yeah. I think, especially considering the time of year, we should do that. People want to spend time with their families, and I'm no exception. 19:52 Perhaps as the release gets closer we can up the frequency, but for now, and to keep from stretching too thin, I think semi-weekly is good. 19:52 Thoughts? 19:52 ok, I'll second if needed 19:52 Sweet. 19:53 #vote Change Meetings from Weekly to Semi-Weekly 19:53 Please vote on: Change Meetings from Weekly to Semi-Weekly 19:53 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:53 +1 19:53 +1 received from ErichEickmeyer 19:53 +1 19:53 +1 received from OvenWerks 19:53 +1 19:53 +1 received from krytarik 19:53 Can I vote? 19:53 Sure! 19:53 yes 19:54 +1 19:54 +1 received from WMRamadan 19:54 I think that is everyone actually here 19:54 #endvote 19:54 Voting ended on: Change Meetings from Weekly to Semi-Weekly 19:54 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:54 Motion carried 19:54 Unanimous. 19:55 Okay. That's all I've got for this week. I'd like to officially welcome WMRamadan to our packaging & development team! 19:55 Anything else to discuss? 19:55 Thanks, looking forward to making some contributions. 19:56 #topic packaging 19:56 We would really like to get Carla packaged if you're up for the challenge, WMRamadan. 19:57 Also, we will definitely need packaging help with -welcome, -boutique, and -plasma. 19:58 Ok, how do I get started? 19:58 Also, we are talking about Carla the autonomous driving simulator? 19:59 No, talking about Carla the plugin host. 19:59 audio plugin host, that is. 19:59 Haha, ok sorry 19:59 #link https://github.com/falkTX/Carla 19:59 http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Applications:Carla 20:00 Yea, got it 20:00 So how do I get started with this? 20:00 WMRamadan: Any .deb packaging experience? 20:00 The big thing to remember when packaging is that not everything needs to be included. 20:00 So all that is needed is to create a .deb package? 20:01 For example linux sampler can't be 20:01 the build pocess is a little different that the normal ./configure 20:02 make does not fail if things are missing it just buuilds without that funtionallity 20:02 Once I get this to work is this submitted on launchpad? 20:03 I believe so, but OvenWerks, Ross, and tsimonq2 have more insight on that. 20:04 Launchpad can be used to store it, but ultimately it needs to be included in debian. 20:04 * ErichEickmeyer is still learning packaging and launchpad himself. 20:04 OvenWerks: Unless it's in the universe or multiverse repos. 20:04 I have just learned that I am not very good at it. 20:05 Okay. OvenWerks, you okay getting him started? 20:06 * ErichEickmeyer wishes Ross were here 20:06 I have yet to package anything :) 20:07 WMRamadan: you okay to lurk here? tsimonq2 is a good resource for packaging. 20:07 ok no problem 20:07 would it go something like this…. 20:07 1 - Build binaries for Ubuntu Studio 18.04 20:07 He's just not available. Something, something, Southeast Linux Fest. 20:08 2 - Creat .deb package 20:08 3 - Submitte to launchpad for review 20:08 ? 20:09 Kindof. More like build, create .deb with source, upload to personal PPA, test .deb, then ???. 20:09 getting a package to a private ppa is first I think. I don't know who reviews things for inclusion 20:09 We lost most of our packagers over the past couple years. 20:10 Who maintains what goes in the repo? 20:10 That would be the ubuntu release team. 20:10 Do we meet with the release team? 20:11 No, but we can tell them we have a package we'd like to include. They have a mailing list and an IRC channel. #ubuntu-release 20:12 That's usually where I come in as release manager. 20:12 How can I join that mailing list? 20:12 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release 20:13 We should probably end this meeting and finish up outside of the meeting. 20:13 ok 20:13 Can I get a second? 20:13 seconded 20:13 Alright. 20:13 #endmeeting