== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntustudio-devel Meeting, 12 May at 19:00 — 20:23 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-05-12-19.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== New Website Theme (Eylul, SlidingHorn) ===
The discussion about "New Website Theme (Eylul, SlidingHorn)" started at 19:05.


=== Desktop Environments ===
The discussion about "Desktop Environments" started at 19:09.

  * ''ACTION:'' OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.
  * ''ACTION:'' Erich to work on GIMP-MyPaint conflict with release team.

=== Wallpapers ===
The discussion about "Wallpapers" started at 19:39.

 * '''Targeting PNG format vs JPEG for submissions''' (19:39)
  * ''ACTION:'' eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back.

=== Welcome App & Software Boutique ===
The discussion about "Welcome App & Software Boutique" started at 20:06.

  * ''ACTION:'' ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources.

=== Next Meeting ===
The discussion about "Next Meeting" started at 20:12.


=== Additional Items ===
The discussion about "Additional Items" started at 20:18.

  * ''ACTION:'' SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account.
  * ''ACTION:'' ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge.
  * ''ACTION:'' OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git.



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * ErichEickmeyer
  * ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources.
  * ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge.
 * eylul
  * eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back.
  * SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account.
 * OvenWerks
  * OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.
  * eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back.
  * OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git.
 * SlidingHorn
  * SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account.



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * ErichEickmeyer (136)
 * OvenWerks (78)
 * eylul (65)
 * meetingology (17)
 * SlidingHorn (12)
 * krytarik (5)
 * captain-tux_ (4)
 * sakrecoe1 (0)



== Full Log ==


 19:00 <ErichEickmeyer> #startmeeting

 19:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Sat May 12 19:00:14 2018 UTC.  The chair is ErichEickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 19:00 <meetingology> 

 19:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 19:00 <ErichEickmeyer> #chair ErichEickmeyer

 19:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer

 19:00 <ErichEickmeyer> #chair eylul

 19:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer eylul

 19:00 <ErichEickmeyer> #chair krytarik

 19:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer eylul krytarik

 19:00 <ErichEickmeyer> #chair captain-tux_

 19:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer captain-tux_ eylul krytarik

 19:00 <ErichEickmeyer> #chair OvenWerks

 19:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux_ eylul krytarik

 19:00 <ErichEickmeyer> #chair sakrecoe1

 19:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux_ eylul krytarik sakrecoe1

 19:01 <ErichEickmeyer> Anybody else here?

 19:01 <OvenWerks> WOW, I have never used meeting-whatever before

 19:01 <ErichEickmeyer> LOL

 19:01 <krytarik> It accepts multiple nicks at once btw.

 19:01 <ErichEickmeyer> Good to know.

 19:02 <ErichEickmeyer> How is everyone?

 19:03 <OvenWerks> yes, very how.

 19:03 <ErichEickmeyer> Such what, very how, super where. Wow.

 19:04 <SlidingHorn> I'm here - sorry

 19:04 <captain-tux_> #aggree

 19:04 <SlidingHorn> wasn't paying attention

 19:04 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, not seeing eylul or SlidingHorn just yet, and the first item is involving them, so .... oh, there's SlidingHorn

 19:04 <ErichEickmeyer> o

 19:04 <ErichEickmeyer> o/

 19:04 <SlidingHorn> o/

 19:04 <captain-tux_> Oops

 19:04 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, so here comes the first topic:

 19:05 <ErichEickmeyer> #topic New Website Theme (Eylul, SlidingHorn)

 19:05 <ErichEickmeyer> So, how's the progress on that, SlidingHorn?

 19:06 <SlidingHorn> Unfortunately I haven't gotten anywhere on that, my apologies.

 19:06 <SlidingHorn> I'm not aware of what exactly needs to be done, however

 19:06 <ErichEickmeyer> Well, it's really a matter of migrating the theme on eylul's site to ubuntustudio.com.

 19:07 <ErichEickmeyer> And maybe getting some photos on there as well.

 19:07 <ErichEickmeyer> As for the rest, she has more info.

 19:07 <ErichEickmeyer> We can table that topic for now if you'd like.

 19:07 <SlidingHorn> Okay, I'll make a point of contacting eylul within the next 24 hours to get that moving

 19:08 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, cool. I think if we got that theme going, we'd make a very public statement that we're making progress and moving forward.

 19:08 <OvenWerks> I don't think eylul has been around... some of what we were saying yesterday should have gotten a comment...

 19:09 <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. I'm sure she'll turn up.

 19:09 <ErichEickmeyer> Probably busy. Happens.

 19:09 <ErichEickmeyer> Let's move on.

 19:09 <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Desktop Environments

 19:10 <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Loved your review of Plasma. Expressed my sentiments very well.

 19:11 <OvenWerks> I think we should see if we can add a ubuntustudio-plasma meta to our repo.

 19:12 <ErichEickmeyer> Agreed. I honestly think that should be our first addition, and maybe stick with Xfce as the default.

 19:12 <OvenWerks> We should probably rename the current one to ubuntustudio-xfce

 19:12 <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. That'd be a good idea.

 19:12 <OvenWerks> we could then take the current name and point it at one or the other as default.

 19:12 <ErichEickmeyer> A transitional dummy package.

 19:13 <OvenWerks> probably not transitional, but as a way to point people at the default who have no idea what xfce or plasma mean

 19:13 <eylul> *sneaks in to the room*

 19:14 <OvenWerks> o/

 19:14 * ErichEickmeyer notices a wild eylul appears

 19:14 <ErichEickmeyer> Quick! Get me a pokeball!

 19:14 <captain-tux_> (stealth check failed)

 19:14 <eylul> :) oh dear.

 19:14 <ErichEickmeyer> haha

 19:14 <ErichEickmeyer> Welcome!

 19:14 <SlidingHorn> *natural 1*

 19:14 * eylul quickly catches up to the backlog

 19:15 <ErichEickmeyer> ROFL

 19:15 <eylul> and please continue the discussion don't let me disrupt the meeting. sorry for being late

 19:15 <ErichEickmeyer> No worries.

 19:16 <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Do you think you could take the kubuntu-settings-desktop package and modify it to be more "Studio" like? Simply put, wallpaper and start button.

 19:17 <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: I will try...

 19:17 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, cool.

 19:17 <OvenWerks> I have both a bzr -controls and a git -controls sitting here and will try converting the LP version to git.

 19:18 <ErichEickmeyer> #info OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.

 19:18 <ErichEickmeyer> (may have misused that command)

 19:18 <OvenWerks> I will try starting the plasma as git.

 19:18 <ErichEickmeyer> Perfect. That would get us migrated easier, I think.

 19:18 <krytarik> That's #action

 19:18 <OvenWerks> I was about to say that...

 19:18 <krytarik> #undo

 19:18 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO

 19:18 <ErichEickmeyer> #action OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.

 19:18 * meetingology OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.

 19:19 <ErichEickmeyer> Awesome. So, I think we've established our first alternate environment. Should we stick with Xfce by default for now?

 19:20 <OvenWerks> We have time to decide that when we have a working plasma desktop...

 19:21 <ErichEickmeyer> Cool. Let's roll forward with ubuntustudio-plasma and decide whether xfce or plasma will be default in 18.10 at a later time.

 19:21 <OvenWerks> So yes default stays xfce, unless we vote something else

 19:21 <eylul> honestly considering timelines... even if we planned to switch defaults, 6 months really isn't a long time :)

 19:21 <ErichEickmeyer> That's true. Maybe we make the Plasma alternate and consider changing default for 19.04?

 19:22 <OvenWerks> right, but if we get to beta with either or being able to load... it would be a choice.

 19:22 <ErichEickmeyer> Right. That's a choice we can put into the installer via radio button dialog, I think.

 19:23 <eylul> *nods*

 19:23 <ErichEickmeyer> The ISO will have to have a default, however. I think for size sake, Xfce is a safe default still.

 19:23 <eylul> you know....

 19:24 <eylul> and I am putting this out here, just as a long term idea because we definitely don't have the packaging-testing power at the moment but...

 19:24 <eylul> we could possibly perhaps maybe have ISOs with both? so people can download what they want. *ducks the incoming objects from multiple directions*

 19:25 <ErichEickmeyer> If we have the manpower...

 19:25 <OvenWerks> eylul: how far do we go with that?

 19:25 <ErichEickmeyer> I know Lubuntu did this for a while with LXQt, and they have a similar staffing situation to us.

 19:25 <OvenWerks> how many iso should we keep?

 19:25 <eylul> this could be a good idea if we had 2 DEs. probably a very bad idea for all 5 of them.

 19:26 <OvenWerks> right.

 19:26 <eylul> I wouldn't offer this if not for glowing review of plasma from OvenWerks. usually his and my user cases are very different so it makes me hopeful about it

 19:26 <ErichEickmeyer> Well, let's look at it like this: The top two default desktops for multimedia creation are Xfce (probably because of Studio) and Plasma (KXStudio, Fedora Jam)

 19:26 <OvenWerks> while I would suggest that budgie, cinnamon, cnome are not suited as defaults, there is not reason not to offer them as install time options.

 19:27 <ErichEickmeyer> I can agree with that.

 19:27 <OvenWerks> MATE, xfce and plasma are doable.

 19:28 <ErichEickmeyer> So, then that begs the question about new desktops: Plasma for 18.10 and then add MATE for 19.04?

 19:28 <OvenWerks> unless lxqt basically takes over the xfce world in the next few years... I don't know that it would be worth spending time on right now.

 19:28 <eylul> I am just hoping maybe having a separate ISO would get people to try it out and test it beyond the regular testing process.

 19:29 <eylul> ah

 19:29 <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: That's exactly what Lubuntu did with Lubuntu-Next for LXQt, so I don't see why we can't do it.

 19:29 <ErichEickmeyer> Especially since I'm working relatively closely with tsimonq2.

 19:29 * eylul nods at OvenWerks

 19:30 <krytarik> Notice that they never actually *released* the LXQt until now though.

 19:30 <eylul> ErichEickmeyer: this might be a good route IF we decide that something other than XFCE is the new default

 19:30 <ErichEickmeyer> I didn't mean we'd do UbuntuStudio-Next. I mean we'd do UbuntuStudio-XFCE and UbuntuStudio-Plasma.

 19:30 <OvenWerks> It would not be hard to have two iso if 32bit is gone.

 19:31 <ErichEickmeyer> That's a good point, too!

 19:32 <OvenWerks> the installer bit would have to be part of the desktop meta.

 19:32 <OvenWerks> (it would be different for each iso)

 19:33 <ErichEickmeyer> As long as we can get the metapackages sorted out, it should fall into place.

 19:33 <ErichEickmeyer> BTW, related: until MyPaint gets upgraded, our ISOs are going to continue to fail to build.

 19:34 <OvenWerks> I don't see anything upstream for that.

 19:34 <ErichEickmeyer> I'll work with the release team on perhaps getting a git snapshot, which was suggested by jbicha.

 19:34 * OvenWerks is not watching their dev work closely

 19:35 <ErichEickmeyer> Either that, or we'll have to remove MyPaint from default.

 19:35 <OvenWerks> our graphics meta fails to load as well

 19:35 <ErichEickmeyer> That's because of the GIMP-MyPaint discrepency.

 19:35 <OvenWerks> right

 19:35 <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow...

 19:36 <eylul> it does look like the code is updated at least. so the work is ongoing

 19:36 <eylul> (sorry was checking their forums and github for any progress*

 19:36 <ErichEickmeyer> #action Erich to work on GIMP-MyPaint conflict with release team.

 19:36 * meetingology Erich to work on GIMP-MyPaint conflict with release team.

 19:37 <ErichEickmeyer> So, did we reach the decision on adding Plasma as the first alternate desktop?

 19:37 <ErichEickmeyer> I'm in favor.

 19:37 <krytarik> +1

 19:37 <SlidingHorn> +1

 19:37 <eylul> +1

 19:37 * OvenWerks seconds

 19:37 <SlidingHorn> sd

 19:38 <SlidingHorn> (sorry was wiping off my keyboard)

 19:38 <OvenWerks> looks like a vote

 19:38 <ErichEickmeyer> That looks like a majority if not unity.

 19:38 <ErichEickmeyer> #agreed Adding KDE Plasma as first alternate desktop environment in 18.10

 19:39 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, with that, we'll drop the survey idea.

 19:39 <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, let's move this along.

 19:39 <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Wallpapers

 19:39 <ErichEickmeyer> #subtopic Targeting PNG format vs JPEG for submissions

 19:40 <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Can you fill us in on this one?

 19:40 <OvenWerks> I can try...

 19:41 <OvenWerks> because of the hurry at the end of last cycle, we ended up with a backdrop we were going to add that was JPG. and required changing two packages.

 19:41 <OvenWerks> we should probably avoid this in the future by settling on a format to use

 19:42 <ErichEickmeyer> Agreed. PNG seems like the logical solution.

 19:42 <eylul> my main concern at least with this wallpaper was that the png file ended up being huge

 19:42 <OvenWerks> it seems to me in the past PNG was specified for contest entries and defaults.

 19:43 <eylul> the wallpapers from the contest seemed to be a mix, the defaults are created as vector. I am not against png as default. I am just not sure at which point

 19:43 <OvenWerks> My main question is how do the two formats deal quality wise with sizing?

 19:43 <eylul> what do you mean OvenWerks?

 19:43 <ErichEickmeyer> Isn't PNG basically lossless compression?

 19:43 <OvenWerks> everyone has different screen sizes,

 19:43 <OvenWerks> resizing affects png too

 19:44 <eylul> ErichEickmeyer: not sure it scales up when the original is not a vector art

 19:44 <OvenWerks> a hw screen has an exact number of pixels.

 19:44 <OvenWerks> So the backdrop is resized on the fly I would guess

 19:45 <OvenWerks> this might mean a jpg would actually resize better.

 19:45 <ErichEickmeyer> Well, then, what if we had both?

 19:46 * OvenWerks doesn't know how closely graphics is to audio in this respect.

 19:46 <OvenWerks> the reason we want one to be default is that we only have to change one package to set default not two (or three)

 19:46 <eylul> could we modify the script

 19:47 <ErichEickmeyer> TBH, svg is the most scalable, but that's not common for wallpapers.

 19:47 <eylul> so that we can specify the file type on one package?

 19:47 <eylul> Also Erich we would still have to have started with a vector art to use that.

 19:47 <OvenWerks> I don't know how plasma deals with this, but xfce needs the file name in a certian place

 19:47 <eylul> yes auto-trace got a lot better, but not quite that good :)

 19:48 <ErichEickmeyer> Plasma also needs the files in a certain place, but I had great luck with symbolic links for the wallpapers.

 19:48 <OvenWerks> we do specify the type in one package... but we keep the image in another.

 19:48 * eylul is testing exact file sizes of png output again while talking.

 19:48 <ErichEickmeyer> Xfce looks in /usr/share/backgrounds, plasma looks in /usr/share/wallpapers

 19:48 <OvenWerks> link would fix that.

 19:48 <OvenWerks> and plasma would handle a full path.

 19:49 <OvenWerks> (same with xfce)

 19:49 <ErichEickmeyer> Yep. All I did was 'ln -s /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio/* /usr/share/wallpapers/*

 19:50 <OvenWerks> now if we could use wildcards image.* that would be fine, but I don't think so.

 19:50 <eylul> well.. we now have time to test it out

 19:50 <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. Let's test this and report back next meeting?

 19:50 <eylul> also.. speaking of testing we should probably test that the high res image (png or jpeg) is not bogging down a low end system.

 19:51 <ErichEickmeyer> How low are you talking?

 19:51 <OvenWerks> the path to image has to be in the -desktop-DE meta but the images should be in a package common to both.

 19:51 <eylul> how low do we support I honestly have no idea if this would be an issue or not.

 19:51 <OvenWerks> eylul: I don't think that is a problem, the image gets resized once on load?

 19:52 <eylul> the image is over 5MB for each screen (6-7 for png) not sure if it is a problem or not.

 19:52 <eylul> ah

 19:52 <ErichEickmeyer> Well, as I've said before, if you're running many of our apps you either have a higher-end system or have unworldly amounts of patience.

 19:52 <eylul> :D

 19:52 <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: yes but...

 19:52 <OvenWerks> screen size is not the same thing

 19:52 <ErichEickmeyer> That's true.

 19:53 <eylul> also the problem is that we are putting a very large image for even someone who has 1/4th area of the screen.

 19:53 <OvenWerks> There are both lower power/memory systems than mine with higher rez screens and more powerful ones with lower rez..

 19:53 <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, and it has to render that every time the desktop is shown. That adds up to problematic quickly.

 19:54 <eylul> exactly

 19:54 <ErichEickmeyer> So, do we, say, go roughly 720 and scale up, or meet somewhere in the middle at 1080?

 19:55 <eylul> Erich for context, I am on a 4K screen.

 19:55 <ErichEickmeyer> I'm on a 1080.

 19:55 <eylul> that's double of a 1080p on each dimension

 19:55 <OvenWerks> 1920x1080?

 19:55 <eylul> :D

 19:55 <ErichEickmeyer> My former system was 1280x800.

 19:55 <OvenWerks> I think that was what we were looking for last time

 19:55 <ErichEickmeyer> Before that I had a system at 1366x768.

 19:56 <OvenWerks> mine are 1600x900

 19:56 <eylul> *nods* a lot of newer laptops are 1920 or HiDPI through. it is a lot more common than it was 2-3 years ago. :)

 19:56 <ErichEickmeyer> Then, set 1080 as a target?

 19:56 <OvenWerks> gotta compete with apple...

 19:56 <OvenWerks> I think that is still valid

 19:57 <ErichEickmeyer> But, this still has the question of whether PNG or JPG. Would the two of you be able to test and report back by next meeting?

 19:57 <eylul> we can go with png. it is not a problem.

 19:58 <eylul> I just need to know how much MB size I can go with before we start bogging down systems badly.

 19:58 <eylul> and I am not sure how to check that.

 19:58 <eylul> it might be that we don't need to worry and that a few MB sized wallpaper is perfectly fine

 19:58 <ErichEickmeyer> Most low-end systems handle PNG fairly gracefully, in my experience.

 19:58 <eylul> which size is the question here. ;)

 19:59 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, so we'll go with PNG, and size TBD?

 19:59 <eylul> which file size. yes

 19:59 <eylul> as in if we have a maximum or not

 19:59 <OvenWerks> eylul: in a 20inch screen is there that much noticable difference from 1920x1020 and 4k?

 20:00 <eylul> I'll look for background but on browser

 20:00 <eylul> I definitely notice stuff that is low rez

 20:00 <ErichEickmeyer> On my 42-inch 1080 screen at work, I can definitely see pixelation, but that makes sense.

 20:01 <eylul> *nods*

 20:01 <OvenWerks> 42 inch is too big for my desk...

 20:01 * OvenWerks can't land f18s on it either...

 20:01 <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, but I make videos for a living, so having something native is good.

 20:02 <ErichEickmeyer> So, should we table this for more testing?

 20:02 <eylul> yeah

 20:03 * eylul wishes had space for a 42" screen.

 20:03 <OvenWerks> it would be possible to have default and optional.

 20:03 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. eylul and OvenWerks to do testing?

 20:03 <OvenWerks> I can do a bit, but my screens are small and low res

 20:04 <eylul> *nods* I'll check what things look like on my screen if they are low rez. I think what I need is someone to make sure the current ones I did post are not causing overhead

 20:04 <eylul> too badly when used.

 20:04 <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks can check higher on low, and eylul can check lower on high.

 20:04 <ErichEickmeyer> Perfect comparison.

 20:04 <eylul> the ones I did link were high resolution. :)

 20:04 <OvenWerks> of course 8k is "future proof" for a bit longer :)

 20:04 <eylul> so if they don't cause problems then we don't have a problem.

 20:05 <eylul> is there 8K screens out there outside of large displays?

 20:05 <eylul> ;)

 20:05 <ErichEickmeyer> #action eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back.

 20:05 * meetingology eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back.

 20:06 <ErichEickmeyer> #agreed Using PNG as default format for wallpapers

 20:06 <ErichEickmeyer> We need to move this along.

 20:06 <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Welcome App & Software Boutique

 20:06 <ErichEickmeyer> I'm just going to give a brief status update on this one.

 20:08 <ErichEickmeyer> I'm working with tsimonq2 on forking ubuntu-mate-welcome since we can collaborate. He's doing it for Lubuntu, I'm doing it for Studio. It's up to Wimpress, but I have the feeling he could give us tips along the way if needed.

 20:08 <ErichEickmeyer> So, that's part of the flavor collaboration we've got going on.

 20:08 <OvenWerks> budgie uses it too.

 20:09 <eylul> \o/

 20:09 <ErichEickmeyer> Yep, and bashfulrobot is probably a good resource as well.

 20:09 <ErichEickmeyer> So, with that, since this is a project I'm focusing on, I'll take this one on.

 20:09 <OvenWerks> I notice it is a snap package and that the mounted patitions remain after the app is closed.

 20:10 <ErichEickmeyer> #action ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources.

 20:10 * meetingology ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources.

 20:11 <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'll ask Wimpress about that. Chances are he'll see this.

 20:11 <eylul> ErichEickmeyer: question, would having 2DEs duplicate your work or one package will be usable for both plasma and XFCE?

 20:11 <ErichEickmeyer> One package would be usable for both.

 20:11 <eylul> nice :)

 20:11 <OvenWerks> no problem, snap may do some of this at boot too for  all I know.

 20:12 <OvenWerks> Ya, that would work for as many as we ever have.

 20:12 <ErichEickmeyer> It's pretty desktop-independent.

 20:12 <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow... we're running a bit overtime, so...

 20:12 <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Next Meeting

 20:13 <ErichEickmeyer> As you saw from the email, I'm not available next week. We can take the week off or I can write-up an agenda and one of you runs the meeing. Thoughts?

 20:13 <OvenWerks> just a general caution. check any package before uploading to make sure it has not changed from bzr to git.

 20:14 <OvenWerks> A week off would not hurt. I have stuff to do.

 20:14 <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Absolutely. I think it's more of a base than a fork. :)

 20:15 <OvenWerks> I am available on the 26 though

 20:16 <SlidingHorn> I would actually be gone next weekend as well, most likely

 20:16 <ErichEickmeyer> I should be available on the 26th as well. Memorial day weekend, and my family will be in Idaho.

 20:16 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. eylul, thoughts?

 20:16 <eylul> I wouldn't mind a break.

 20:16 <ErichEickmeyer> Cool.

 20:16 <ErichEickmeyer> #agreed Next meeting will be May 26th

 20:16 <ErichEickmeyer> Alright. That's all I've got. Any additional items?

 20:17 <eylul> I was going to ask if Slidinghorn or anyone else wants to co-manage the mastodon account.

 20:17 <eylul> so that we can be more active there. Just asking because I need to share the account info with you.

 20:17 <eylul> if that is the case

 20:17 <SlidingHorn> eylul: Sure

 20:18 <ErichEickmeyer> That reminds me, I have yet to make the Telegram group.

 20:18 <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Additional Items

 20:18 <ErichEickmeyer> #action SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account.

 20:18 * meetingology SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account.

 20:19 <ErichEickmeyer> #action ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge.

 20:19 * meetingology ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge.

 20:19 <ErichEickmeyer> Anything else?

 20:19 <eylul> not from me.

 20:19 <captain-tux_> No

 20:19 <OvenWerks> -controls has not really moved porting to git today.

 20:20 <ErichEickmeyer> That's okay. Still working on that?

 20:20 <OvenWerks> I have the fun of getting it on to launchpad.

 20:20 <ErichEickmeyer> Joy. /s

 20:21 <ErichEickmeyer> Unless you weren't being sarcastic with the "fun"

 20:21 <ErichEickmeyer> #action OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git.

 20:21 * meetingology OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git.

 20:21 <OvenWerks> it was a one linner to get it to git on my system.

 20:21 <ErichEickmeyer> Wow! That's.. incredible!

 20:22 <OvenWerks> some of the links in the instructions are bad though :P

 20:22 <ErichEickmeyer> Hmmm.... Documentation. :/

 20:23 <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, shall we adjourn or do we have any other items to discuss?

 20:23 <OvenWerks> I guess I can bug it.

 20:23 <OvenWerks> was that a move?

 20:23 <ErichEickmeyer> I move to adjourn. Second?

 20:23 <OvenWerks> o/

 20:23 <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. Meeting adjourned.

 20:23 <ErichEickmeyer> #endmeeting



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