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18:01:36 <pleia2> ok, who all is here for our Ubuntu Women meeting? :)
18:01:39 <Cheri703> o/
18:01:44 <Dolasilla> o/
18:02:02 <Deindre> °/
18:02:06 <karenesq> o/
18:02:17 <Cheri703> Deindre getting all fancy ;)
18:02:20 <IdleOne> \o
18:02:33 * karenesq waves to pleia2
18:02:44 <Deindre> Cheri703: :P
18:02:47 <pleia2> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
18:02:47 <IdleOne> \  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) /
18:02:52 <pleia2> ^^ Agenda
18:03:13 <pleia2> #topic -R Blueprint
18:03:18 <pleia2> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-r-ubuntu-women-project-goals
18:03:35 <pleia2> karenesq: nice to see you!
18:03:49 <karenesq> likewise pleia2! :D
18:03:56 <pleia2> Cheri703: care to update us on Career Days plans?
18:04:07 <Cheri703> Deindre is going to do one in May!
18:04:10 <pleia2> (looking at the blueprint, a few volunteers still outstanding there)
18:04:27 <Cheri703> We need to sort out a date/time with classroom, but May for sure
18:04:44 <Deindre> Cheri703: I'll be ready when you prefer
18:04:51 <pleia2> great :)
18:05:18 <Cheri703> So pleia2, would you be able to check, or should I find someone else to poke about it?
18:05:54 <pleia2> Cheri703: just drop by #ubuntu-classroom-backstage when you're ready to schedule, we all can chat there about timing (me + other classroom team folks) since I'm not sure when Open Week is going to happen
18:06:07 <Cheri703> ok, will do
18:06:11 * Cheri703 adds to to-do list
18:06:16 <pleia2> (and I'll be out of town)
18:06:37 <pleia2> any luck contacting any of the other women from the blueprint about career days stuff?
18:06:52 <Cheri703> >_> no, because I haven't
18:06:56 <pleia2> if not, we might want to mark them as POSTPONED on the blueprint (end of the cycle is fast approaching!)
18:07:15 <pleia2> ok, next cycle then :)
18:07:24 <Cheri703> Yeah, that's fine :s
18:07:52 * Deindre suggest to invite karenesq to our carreer day, if she please :)
18:08:39 <Cheri703> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/CareerDays
18:08:51 <karenesq> Deindre: I've been reading up. they look really fun :)
18:09:10 <Deindre> :)
18:10:06 <pleia2> Cheri703: hate to put you on the spot again, but UW contest? :)
18:10:18 <Cheri703> hehe, just pinged Pendulum, but I don't think she's around
18:10:38 <Cheri703> but I can go ahead with what I have
18:10:38 <Dolasilla> shall we postpone to next cycle as well?
18:10:43 <Cheri703> probably
18:10:50 <Cheri703> but I can explain what has been decided so far
18:11:38 <Cheri703> there will be 3 winners chosen at random out of fully correct submissions, winners will get a choice of EITHER ubuntu earrings/necklace in their choice of gold/silver color, OR an HD webcam
18:12:13 <Dolasilla> sounds cool! who's providing the HD webcam?
18:12:25 <Cheri703> we still need to sort out "official rules", and get the questions/volunteers dealt with too
18:12:29 <Cheri703> I am :)
18:12:40 <Cheri703> Some of our UW folks contributed some money to help me attend UDS a few years ago
18:12:55 <Cheri703> I am now at a financial point that I can repay that, and all accepted that that money can go back into UW
18:12:58 <Cheri703> so I'm getting the prizes
18:13:03 <pleia2> you rock
18:13:06 <Cheri703> but really the group is getting the prizes :)
18:13:09 <IdleOne> very awesome
18:13:09 <Dolasilla> yeah...indeed!!
18:13:12 <karenesq> wow so great Cheri703
18:13:32 <Dolasilla> you rock Cheri703!! :)
18:13:32 <pleia2> Cheri703: I'm wondering if we do want to just postpone this until you've finished your move?
18:13:41 <IdleOne> +1
18:13:47 <Dolasilla> pleia2, +1
18:13:48 <pleia2> I'll be back then too
18:13:58 <Deindre> +1
18:14:12 <Cheri703> Honestly I'm good either way, if we get volunteers and the quiz questions and whatnot sorted out, it shouldn't be too labor intensive, but yeah, postponing is fine
18:14:17 <IdleOne> there is still a lot to do from the looks of it, better to have all available hands on deck
18:14:43 <pleia2> at least having all of us around to help promote it would be good :)
18:15:06 <IdleOne> that too
18:15:19 <pleia2> I'll update the blueprint in a bit
18:15:22 <Cheri703> and for the record (in case anyone wants to share info about it, though I'd think we'll write up some "press release") all 3 winners can choose either jewelry or webcam, so if we give out 3 webcams, awesome, 2 webcams and jewelry, fine too :) both options are about the same cost
18:15:40 <pleia2> since we have karenesq here and I don't want to keep her too long, jumping over to OPW now
18:15:54 * Deindre agrees :)
18:15:54 <pleia2> #topic GNOME Outreach Program for Women
18:16:10 <pleia2> Deindre: can you introduce?
18:16:18 <Deindre> ok, thanks
18:16:20 <karenesq> I don't mind hanging out
18:16:27 * karenesq might come more often!
18:16:45 <Deindre> karenesq: you will be always welcome :)
18:17:14 <karenesq> :)
18:19:16 <IdleOne> Am I lagged?
18:19:41 <pleia2> Deindre, karenesq, care to explain what OPW is, and how UW can assist?
18:19:44 <pleia2> IdleOne: no :)
18:19:47 <karenesq> I'm still waiting for Deindre but I bet she's typing
18:19:52 <pleia2> ok
18:20:13 <Deindre> OPW  is a program to approach women to FOSS:
18:20:25 <karenesq> but I'll also chime in about it and if you get double the explanation, no big deal! :)
18:20:41 <pleia2> I've been working with (I'm not a mentor, she's just working on the team I work on) an OPW intern in my openstack work, it's awesome :)
18:20:46 <karenesq> it's like GSoC, but specifically inviting women (or anyone who identifies as a woman) to join
18:21:07 <Deindre> every years the major FOSS project are involved in, and this is held by GNOME Foundation
18:21:18 <karenesq> the program was working so well for GNOME that we realized we should expand it to other projects
18:21:45 <karenesq> and the round that just closed (where Deindre participated as a GNOME intern), we had 25 interns across 11 projects
18:21:56 <IdleOne> nice
18:22:08 <karenesq> sorry, actually 10 projects, as Tor wound up not being able to accept an applicant
18:22:15 <karenesq> looks like this round we're going to have even more projects
18:22:17 <Deindre> Karen Sandler is the executive director of the GNOME Foundation and I'm very happy to have her here today :)
18:22:32 <Dolasilla> question: is it a full time internship?
18:22:34 <karenesq> heh, I should have introduced myself it's true. thanks Deindre!
18:22:57 <karenesq> it is, Dolasilla, though there are some participants with some other commitments that we've accepted in the past
18:23:06 <Dolasilla> ok
18:23:18 <pleia2> so Ubuntu applied for, but was declined participation in the google summer of code this year
18:23:21 <karenesq> it's a bit on a case by case basis, we don't want to rule out someone who has obligations towards childcare, for example
18:23:30 <karenesq> oh pleia2, I didn't notice that
18:23:32 <karenesq> yet
18:23:37 <karenesq> that's too bad!
18:23:55 <karenesq> MediaGoblin was also not accepted to GSoC but they are still participating in OPW
18:23:58 <pleia2> could some ideas ben transferred to OPW projects? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2013/Ideas
18:24:07 <karenesq> yes, pleia2!
18:24:21 <karenesq> but we also accept other kinds of projects too, if the organization is interested in that
18:24:34 <karenesq> like marketing, design and documentation projects
18:24:45 * pleia2 nods
18:24:58 <karenesq> it depends on where the mentors and applicants are, really
18:25:12 <karenesq> some of the things that we've done to make OPW work is:
18:25:27 <karenesq> 0. specifically target women so that they know they can apply, that the program is for them
18:25:45 <karenesq> 1. require an initial contribution with the application - that way applicants get in touch with mentors straight away
18:25:51 <karenesq> and have help in getting started
18:26:30 <karenesq> which is often cited as a reason why women don't get involved
18:26:49 <karenesq> it also helps the orgs evaluate whether the applicant is a good one
18:27:00 * pleia2 nods
18:27:07 <Deindre> and, unlike other internship in FOSS, OPW is addressed to coders and no-coders
18:27:08 <karenesq> for example, Deindre saved GNOME from an embarrassing mistake in our campaign materials before she even got started!
18:27:50 <pleia2> :)
18:27:55 <karenesq> 2. we emphasize mentorship as the most important part of the program. If there aren't dedicated mentors then it's just not going to work. We're currently brainstorming ways to make this better
18:28:34 <karenesq> 3. we've included a travel stipend component of the program so that we can help women get to the key conferences
18:28:45 <karenesq> so for Ubuntu I think the relevance is twofold
18:29:13 <karenesq> X. ubuntu women should feel free to apply to any of the existing internships, especially the GNOME ones! :D
18:29:28 <karenesq> Y. we'd love it if Ubuntu could join as a participating org
18:29:52 <karenesq> I've been in email contact with Jane and now Jono about Canonical committing funds to this for Ubuntu
18:30:06 <karenesq> (and Mark left a great supportive message on Deindre's blog!)
18:30:34 <karenesq> if not this round, then maybe the next one - we do two per year, one for the northern hemisphere summer and one for the southern
18:30:44 <pleia2> yeah, it would be great if Canonical could handle the funds
18:30:54 <karenesq> to participate an organization has to have committed funding for at least one OPW intern
18:31:16 <IdleOne> How much funding is usually needed?
18:31:21 <IdleOne> I mean in $
18:31:37 <karenesq> we're asking for $5750 - $5000 for the intern (because that's what GSoC pays and why should women make any less?)
18:31:43 <karenesq> $500 for a travel stipend
18:32:03 <karenesq> and $250 for an administrative budget, which we're willing to waive if it's a hardship for any org to join
18:32:44 <karenesq> (bear in mind that it costs us $90 for just the wiring fees to pay an intern outside of the US, all of which has been coming out of the GNOME Foundation general funds, as the program scales we just can't swing it)
18:33:09 <Dolasilla> does the program have a fixed duration?
18:33:14 <karenesq> it does!
18:33:36 <Dolasilla> same for any project?
18:34:09 <karenesq> june 17-sept 23
18:34:18 <karenesq> we follow the GSoC dates as much as possible
18:34:25 <Cheri703> you should assign an intern to find cheaper ways to pay internationally >_>
18:34:27 <Cheri703> :)
18:35:05 <karenesq> the idea is also that some of the OPW applicants we get don't even know about GSoC or think they won't get accepted for some reason
18:35:11 <karenesq> so we also encourage them to apply for that
18:35:27 <karenesq> then they are OPW participants, even though they're in (and funded by) GSoC
18:35:36 <karenesq> sorry Deindre, I kind of took over :/
18:35:52 <karenesq> Cheri703: heh. Well, we do paypal too, but there are fees there as well
18:36:00 <Deindre> You're very exhaustive :)
18:36:02 <karenesq> and we try to bear the fees rather than passing them on to the participants
18:36:11 <karenesq> I'm very excited  :)
18:36:31 <bkerensa> Sounds like a great program
18:36:36 <karenesq> this time we have Fedora and Debian participating already
18:36:38 <IdleOne> it does
18:36:44 <karenesq> so it would be awesome to have Ubuntu as well
18:37:10 <karenesq> but even if Ubuntu can't participate this time, it would be awesome to let Ubuntu Women know that there are these opportunities
18:37:12 <Deindre> I'm very excited about seeing other UW as participant of OPW and Ubuntu as part of project :)
18:37:28 <karenesq> and help us spread the word!
18:37:30 <pleia2> so we just had bkerensa join us a few minutes ago, he was one of the folks who worked to get the GSoC application submitted
18:37:38 <Cheri703> Did I miss it? What does OPW stand for?
18:37:45 <karenesq> outreach program for women!
18:37:47 <karenesq> :)
18:37:54 <Cheri703> that's what I was thinking, thanks :)
18:38:39 <pleia2> this is all pretty exciting, thanks karenesq
18:38:44 <karenesq> np, pleia2!
18:39:22 <Cheri703> thanks!
18:39:27 <IdleOne> karenesq: How many hours of work per week is typical for the interns. I realise the more time an intern has the better, but do you have an average?
18:39:29 <Deindre> I would really thanks Karen to have accepted my submission, working with her has been awesome!
18:39:29 <pleia2> I don't have time this time around (about to run off for about a month), so I encourage others who are able to step up to see about working on this
18:39:30 <karenesq> even though expanding the program to other projects is detrimental to GNOME in that we get less funding for our own interns, it's way worth it to help free software generally and provide opportunities to women
18:40:07 <karenesq> IdleOne: we do expect a full time commitment. I don't think anyone has actually counted hours in the past, being satisfied with a job well done
18:40:09 <karenesq> :)
18:40:59 <bkerensa> karenesq: typically what do you anticipate the time commitment of org mentors/coordinators
18:41:06 <karenesq> IdleOne: but I would roughly expect 40 hours per week
18:41:10 <karenesq> bkerensa: it varies greatly
18:41:22 <karenesq> it's like GSoC
18:41:29 <IdleOne> considering the amount paid to the intern that sounds fair
18:41:46 <karenesq> ideally mentors designate a regular meeting time
18:41:51 <karenesq> weekly
18:42:09 <karenesq> and then just checking in to make sure that interns aren't stuck
18:42:25 <karenesq> some interns require a lot more time than others
18:42:44 <bkerensa> karenesq: Are interns generally expected to have a comp sci background of sorts?
18:42:44 <karenesq> I was a co-mentor this time, but I wouldn't recommend that unless both co-mentors are willing to act as if they are the main mentor :)
18:43:30 <karenesq> bkerensa: we welcome applicants of all sorts. But we do need to see that they can handle the work. Usually the answers to the questions and their first contribution let us know where they are
18:43:48 <karenesq> of course preference is given to applicants who demonstrate a knowledge and commitment to free software
18:44:20 <karenesq> and if it's a serious coding project, serious coding knowledge is required
18:45:14 <karenesq> oh one more thing
18:45:32 <IdleOne> I don't know if you mentioned it but are they all coding projects?
18:45:33 <karenesq> I also offer my services as a fundraiser to the projects that join, in case they think that there are companies that might fund it
18:45:51 <karenesq> IdleOne: no, there are also marketing and documentation internships but it varies by project
18:46:04 <bkerensa> Ubuntu has a major need for documentation help right now
18:46:05 <Deindre> karenesq: and design too
18:46:12 <karenesq> at GNOME, for example, we had one intern who came in as a marketing intern, then loved it so much she learned to code and applied to GSoC
18:46:40 <karenesq> because of her OPW experience, her GSoC application was very strong and was accepted
18:46:45 <karenesq> right Deindre!
18:47:28 <karenesq> oh another thing - we make some infrastructure available to support interns (and mentors too)
18:47:48 <karenesq> this is less relevant to ubuntu-women where you already have your own excellent supprot structure :)
18:47:58 <karenesq> but we have #opw on GimpNet
18:48:06 <karenesq> and a channel for mentors and organizers too
18:48:27 <karenesq> as you know this kind of thing is very important
18:48:31 <karenesq> :)
18:49:38 <karenesq> <shameless plug for gnome>this is why I love working at a nonprofit like the GNOME Foundation - we're organized to make the whole free and open source software community better!</shameless plug>
18:49:43 <pleia2> :)
18:50:00 <karenesq> though I'm doing more and more of this stuff at night to be honest, since it's taking up so much time
18:50:36 <pleia2> well I think we have enough information to see about moving forward on this (if we can get volunteers :))
18:50:41 <karenesq> cool!
18:51:01 <karenesq> this is a shortlist of what you need as an org: https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen#For_Organizations_and_Companies
18:51:22 <karenesq> and https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/Admin/GettingStarted
18:51:48 <karenesq> let me know if I can help, and I'm always around to answer any other questions that come up
18:52:01 <karenesq> I'm sometimes just "karen" here on freenode
18:52:37 <pleia2> thank you!
18:52:38 <karenesq> thanks for giving me the chance to talk about it!
18:52:39 * karenesq stretches her fingers
18:52:58 <Dolasilla> :)
18:53:10 <Dolasilla> it was extremely interesting, karenesq
18:53:13 * Deindre waves
18:53:14 <pleia2> #topic Plans for Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summit coming up May 14-16
18:53:16 <karenesq> :)
18:53:17 <pleia2> so real quick
18:53:44 <pleia2> http://mhall119.com/2013/04/uds-13-05-ubuntus-second-online-developer-summit/
18:53:47 <pleia2> #link http://mhall119.com/2013/04/uds-13-05-ubuntus-second-online-developer-summit/
18:54:03 <pleia2> next virtual UDS is May 14-16, Ubuntu uses Google Hangouts for these now
18:54:15 <pleia2> I'll be creating a blueprint soon and moving things over
18:54:46 <pleia2> Dolasilla, Dolasilla & Cheri703 - if you could help prep for a session the week of 14-16 that'd be great (I'll be coming home on the 13th after being unreachable and out of the country)
18:54:59 <pleia2> I can attend the session (and run it, if needed)
18:55:08 <pleia2> s/ Dolasilla/ Deindre
18:55:09 <pleia2> :)
18:55:25 <Dolasilla> pleia2, any specific topic or UW in general?
18:55:32 <Cheri703> I will be RIIIIGHT in the last stages of packing (leaving on the 18th), but I should be able to attend a session
18:55:39 <bkerensa> Will there be a virtual Ubuntu Women Dinner?
18:55:42 <pleia2> Dolasilla: just like what we've had at real UDS in the past
18:55:46 <pleia2> bkerensa: hah
18:55:48 <bkerensa> ;)
18:55:49 <Dolasilla> ok
18:55:55 <Cheri703> might have to make some sort of neck mount for my phone like they have for harmonicas...then I can be on video while I work
18:55:57 <pleia2> Dolasilla: pretty much just planning what we'll do in the next cycle
18:56:34 <Dolasilla> pleia2, I just have time contraints due to the full time job, but if it's going to be Europe-time evening it's fine for me
18:56:49 <pleia2> it runs 1400 UTC to 2000 UTC
18:56:55 <pleia2> so we can just see about getting a late timeslot
18:57:13 <Dolasilla> yup, how does it work to get a time slot?
18:57:22 <pleia2> nag jono, I think :)
18:57:30 <Dolasilla> lol
18:57:50 <pleia2> mostly just wanted to mention this, we can chat informally after I create the blueprint
18:57:52 <Dolasilla> pleia2, we can have a chat / email exchange off line in which you can pass me some instructions :)
18:57:53 <IdleOne> jono dholbach will be handling Community track and balloons
18:57:57 <pleia2> Dolasilla: yep!
18:58:03 <pleia2> thanks IdleOne
18:58:18 <pleia2> thanks for coming everyone, great meeting :)
18:58:31 <Cheri703> thanks karenesq!
18:58:33 <Cheri703> and everyone!
18:58:36 <IdleOne> Thank you and big thanks to karenesq very interesting project
18:58:40 <pleia2> indeed!
18:58:47 <pleia2> #endmeeting