11:34 <popey> #startmeeting dekko
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11:34 <JMulholland> heyo popey :)
11:34 <popey> Sorry I'm late.
11:34 <JMulholland> no worries
11:34 <JMulholland> incase you missed it (and for the meeting capture):
11:34 <DanChapman> Hey popey!
11:34 <JMulholland> [12:32pm] JMulholland: I have something for you btw
11:34 <JMulholland> [12:32pm] JMulholland: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xWNpO3UUdmVak0NZ63yaDTF8Il0P_UF96Y2eOiBVBz0/edit?usp=sharing
11:34 <JMulholland> [12:32pm] JMulholland: that’s the filters spec patty put together for scopes
11:34 <JMulholland> [12:32pm] JMulholland: I think it’s anice approach and has some elements that would work really well for dekko
11:35 <JMulholland> I’ve also made some progress with client.demo material popey
11:35 <popey> ok, good!
11:35 <DanChapman> I'll save reading that for after the meeting. It's rather in depth :-D
11:35 <popey> hah
11:36 <JMulholland> We’ll need to put together a mailing list of folks we’d like to allow access to it, which gets us access in the short term.
11:36 <popey> that'll do for now.
11:36 <JMulholland> DanChapman: Indeed! we can always talk about it offline/ outside of the meeting when youve had a look :
11:37 <JMulholland> what else did i follow up on last week...
11:37 <popey> I have an item..
11:37 <JMulholland> Ah yes, Femma is still working away on offline states for us (and all other apps) but is aware of our use case and will likely use something a lot like it in her spec
11:37 <JMulholland> (hardly an uncommon error for apps)
11:38 <popey> ok
11:38 <JMulholland> and lastly from me: Ting-Ray mentioned you might be coming in to the office in london to hear about the user testing she did DanChapman?
11:38 <JMulholland> fire away popey, I’ll shut up now :P
11:39 <popey> :)
11:39 <popey> pat has expressed interest to get the to:cc: bug fixed as soon as we can.
11:39 <popey> Wondered if we could discuss that.
11:39 <popey> I know DanChapman shared a prototype on telegram, wondered if you'd seen it, if you think it's suitable etc
11:39 <DanChapman> errrm not sure about that. I did email her about the developer feedback for the colour palette docs. Seems i missed a response from her. Will reply
11:40 <DanChapman> Looking forward to seeing the offline state stuff btw
11:40 <DanChapman> Yes To,Cc so this was from yesterday https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qR2xBd0Iwa1EtX0E/view?usp=sharing
11:40 <popey> Yes, unav could do with offline state stuff too
11:40 <popey> thanks for the link
11:41 <popey> if it's "To:" 'me' will that show up before anything else?
11:41 <DanChapman> I've also added From to the top of that overlay as a user may possibly want to copy details etc of the sender
11:41 <popey> i.e. if there are 10 recipients, I want to know I'm in the "to" without tapping
11:42 <popey> Gmail says "To: me, foo, bar, baz"
11:42 <DanChapman> Ahh i didn't demo that. So yes what it does is scans the list to match any of your account addresses and moves it to the start of the list and renames it to "you" at the moment. So it looks like "to you, Foo, Bar, someoneelse@example.org"
11:43 <JMulholland> nice
11:43 <DanChapman> Wasn't sure if using "me" made it too gmail like :-D
11:43 <popey> Someone else can decide on "me" or "you"
11:43 <popey> i propose "one" :)
11:43 <JMulholland> looks good in the vide guys, I had meant to comment in telegram, apologies
11:44 <JMulholland> i think we can help tighten the menu’s themselves a little (get them inline with the ubuntu style a little more), but in terms of their content and the interactions to get to the menus, I’d say its a nice piece of work :D
11:44 <JMulholland> nicely done DanChapman!
11:44 <popey> I like the logos next to the names too
11:44 <popey> that's a nice touch
11:45 <popey> So obvious next question :)
11:45 <DanChapman> :-D Cool yes they need some refinement.
11:45 <popey> When can that land :)
11:46 <popey> Well, when do we estimate having something for QA should I say :)
11:47 <DanChapman> Well it's already landed in the qmf branch. But it's just a copy paste job to drop it into the trunk branch. Which i'm going to try and get a click to QA by tomorrow, as there's some changes omer want's landing for QA's testing thingys
11:48 <popey> Sweet! Better than I had expected!
11:49 <DanChapman> That will most likely be the last click using trojita as I want to move the qmf branch to trunk asap.
11:49 <popey> Excellent.
11:50 <DanChapman> I'll give you a ping tomorrow to go through submitting a click to qa :-D
11:50 <popey> Perfect.
11:50 <popey> You gonna have a go at doing it yourself?
11:50 <popey> With my help if needed?
11:50 <DanChapman> Yeah might as well
11:51 <popey> Super.
11:53 <popey> Have you had much in the way of new/interesting feedback since OTA-10?
11:53 <DanChapman> I have a question about context actions in the message view, well mainly on the webview. On top of the usual copy link, copy text, should quick actions like "Reply/Forward/Reply to selected text" etc be in the right click menu?
11:54 <DanChapman> Not had much really. Just some bugs for crashes on app start, but I can't realy fix that easily
11:56 <popey> yeah, saw those
11:58 <popey> So the context menu only appears on right click on desktop? (or long press)?
11:58 <popey> I am inclined to think they should be there, for quick access.
11:58 <JMulholland> Whenever possible right click behaves exactly the same as a long press, yes
11:59 <JMulholland> as for the message view...
11:59 <DanChapman> It will show for both. Thunderbird shows a pretty long list of actions when you right click so i wondered if we wanted to support the complete set possible actions in Dekko or just specifics to keep things simple
11:59 <DanChapman> *complete set of
11:59 <JMulholland> is the use case someone rght-clicking somewhere in message text?
12:00 <JMulholland> (i.e. right click on some text/ a link?)
12:00 <DanChapman> Yes just right clicking in the message body in general
12:01 <JMulholland> hm, well we have those items in the message view already, and the risk is we blow out the size of those menus for little gain…
12:04 <DanChapman> But then is this something users would expect in a desktop app?
12:04 <JMulholland_> ack, network hiccup. Im back.
12:05 <popey> Do people really use right click on desktop ?
12:05 <DanChapman> I do :-D
12:05 <JMulholland_> I have to dash to another meeting guys, sorry
12:05 <popey> heh
12:05 <popey> Ok.
12:05 <DanChapman> ok cool no worries :-)
12:05 <popey> Anything else?
12:05 <DanChapman> Nothing my end?
12:06 <DanChapman> -?
12:06 <JMulholland> nothing here. thanks guys!
12:06 <popey> Ok, poke me tomorrow and we can co-ordinate the release to QA.
12:06 <DanChapman> yep will do
12:06 <DanChapman> Thanks JMulholland!
12:07 <popey> Super
12:07 <popey> Thanks chaps
12:07 <popey> #endmeeting