17:02 <popey> #startmeeting Music
17:02 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 26 17:02:48 2016 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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17:02 <ahayzen> \o/ how's things ?
17:02 <popey> Hello! Hows tricks?
17:03 <popey> Super
17:03 <popey> I haven't heard any feedback from demos done at MWC, as most people are in flights
17:03 <popey> Will catch up with people who did demos next week.
17:03 <popey> and see if there's any feedback.
17:03 <ahayzen> coolio, good i think we are progressing with bugs and things
17:03 <ahayzen> https://launchpad.net/music-app/+milestone/ota10
17:04 <popey> Excellent!
17:04 <ahayzen> popey, we were discussing last night, when to try and land the convergence + scrollview stuff ...
17:04 <ahayzen> popey, do you know which OTAs the devices will be shiped with?
17:04 <popey> 10 I _think_
17:04 <ahayzen> if they are releasing ~mid-march .. i assume 10 ?
17:04 <ahayzen> ok
17:04 <popey> I can check, but suspect that's the case
17:04 <ahayzen> so *ideally* we would want our convergence stuff if that
17:05 <popey> yes
17:05 <ahayzen> i think there was just one issue left
17:05 <ahayzen> the search focussing thing
17:05 <popey> yeah, do we know why that is?
17:05 <ahayzen> not yet
17:05 <ahayzen> seeems to be some voodoo
17:05 <ahayzen> i'm gonna have a look over the weekend
17:05 <popey> heh
17:05 <popey> okay
17:06 <popey> super
17:06 <ahayzen> then after that, i guess we should start looking into the streaming stuff again ?
17:06 <ahayzen> like using the WebAPI and stuff ?
17:06 <ahayzen> would that be our next priority ?
17:07 <popey> Yeah, that's exactly what I thought.
17:07 <ahayzen> \o/
17:07 <popey> Bugs, convergence, streaming, in that order
17:07 <popey> and if anything else comes up, streaming lowers priority
17:07 <popey> it's always the back burner thing IMO
17:07 <ahayzen> cool
17:07 <popey> but if nothing else is happening, it's the focus
17:08 <ahayzen> have you been kept up to date with b_alloons with the AP/jenkins convo ?
17:09 <popey> I think so.
17:09 <ahayzen> so i guess we would start moving our AP tests to unit tests as much as possible
17:10 <ahayzen> (once we have decided on a tree format for it)
17:10 <popey> Agreed.
17:11 <ahayzen> ok, and i've seen sil's comments on OTAs
17:11 <popey> ok
17:12 <popey> So the other thing I was thinking, on streaming
17:12 <popey> We always said streaming wouldn't be tied to one vendor
17:12 <ahayzen> yup
17:12 <popey> and I want to make sure we're still on the same page there :)
17:12 <ahayzen> we should pick an 'open' vendor :-)
17:12 <popey> I realise the work that was done is fairly specific, and always will be to some degree
17:12 <ahayzen> or just another one like SoundCloud
17:12 <popey> But yes, we need to find one other option.
17:12 <ahayzen> popey, i think really next we need to see the designs
17:12 <popey> SoundCould have financial issues, I'm not 100% convinced they'll still exist this time next year
17:13 <popey> yes, good point
17:13 <ahayzen> as we don't know how design want to handle the multiple services yet
17:13 <ahayzen> one tab with head sections? a toggle? a tab for each provider? etc
17:13 <popey> yeah
17:13 <ahayzen> so while we work on convergence if we could poke design for streaming
17:13 <popey> I'll poke James and see what's gonna be a timescale for design
17:13 * popey does that now
17:13 <ahayzen> awesome
17:13 <ahayzen> thanks :-)
17:15 <davmor2> ahayzen: see the phone list about the palette changes
17:16 <ahayzen> davmor2, yeah, we have a bug already (bug 1550096) .. thanks for reminding me though :-)
17:16 * ahayzen looks around for a bot
17:16 <ahayzen> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550096
17:16 <popey> sent
17:16 * ahayzen also needs to find someone to rant at ... yet *again* we have apps breaking that are bound to a *framework* version
17:17 <popey> This sounds like a topic for the list tbh
17:17 <ahayzen> popey, received thanks :-)
17:17 <ahayzen> it does, it is slightly silly, as nik has pointed out even apps which are UC1.2 are breaking
17:17 <ahayzen> this sort of change should only affect apps that are using the latest framework for ota10
17:17 <ahayzen> *sigh*
17:18 <popey> yeah
17:18 <ahayzen> do you agree popey ?
17:18 <popey> I do.
17:18 <ahayzen> \o/
17:20 <ahayzen> uhoh netsplit \o/
17:21 <popey> Feel free to pile in on that thread.
17:21 <popey> I'm keen for multiple voices to be heard.
17:21 <ahayzen> popey, have you seen the new thumbnailer update sortof changing things
17:21 <popey> uhoh
17:21 <popey> no
17:21 <ahayzen> popey, yeah i'll try and raise something over the weekend
17:21 <popey> "yay"
17:21 <ahayzen> popey, so now it is has *fixed* the no fallback thing...
17:21 <ahayzen> which is working in *some* places
17:22 <ahayzen> just we have now noticed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1549557 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1549580
17:22 <ahayzen> which were missed as there was no way of testing when we did the refactor before as you couldn't do fallback images :')
17:22 <ahayzen> popey, both pretty minor i think
17:23 <popey> still, perhaps we need better testing on that project
17:23 <popey> (thumbnailer)
17:23 <ahayzen> yeah
17:23 <ahayzen> i have some stuff on the qml unit tests
17:23 <ahayzen> i did ages ago
17:24 <ahayzen> so when we start doing low level stuff \o/
17:24 <ahayzen> but i think the main problem actually is...
17:24 <ahayzen> that they don't seem to do indepth testing of music when thumbnailer changes
17:24 <ahayzen> although this one was difficult to spot
17:24 <ahayzen> so maybe it is ok and we are just being overcritical :-)
17:25 <popey> Yes, that was exactly my point
17:25 <popey> I think that's a problem across the board
17:25 <ahayzen> popey, but one we have QMLUnit tests done properly... it would be nice if we could say, ok when thumbnailer/media-hub/mediascanner2 change ensure that the Unit tests pass
17:25 <popey> Many of the things are tested in isolation
17:25 <ahayzen> yah
17:25 <popey> we need to add test cases for some of the standard apps to the system level projects
17:25 <ahayzen> maybe something for balloons to see if he can get into his new plans
17:26 <popey> like media-hub, ms2, thumbnailer
17:26 <popey> all of those
17:26 <ahayzen> yup
17:26 <balloons> popey, nik90 suggested forcing unit test runs for the core apps on those changes
17:27 <ahayzen> balloons, sweet
17:27 <ahayzen> it would be super useful for us
17:27 <ahayzen> the number of times ms2 has broken us
17:27 <popey> yeah
17:29 <popey> Ok, anything else for music?
17:29 <ahayzen> popey, i don't think so
17:30 <ahayzen> blimey we are on time \o/
17:31 <popey> heh
17:31 <popey> #endmeeting