12:33 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko meeting
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12:33 <DanChapman> yo faenil popey
12:34 <faenil> yo o/
12:34 <JMulholland> we’d only get bored otherwise Dan… ;-)
12:34 <JMulholland> lo popey!
12:34 <popey> Hows it going everyone?
12:34 <DanChapman> spiffing
12:34 <JMulholland> All good here thanks
12:34 <popey> Ok. So one piece of news.
12:34 <popey> I don't know if you've seen but OTA-10 has been pushed back a little
12:34 * JMulholland braces himself
12:35 <JMulholland> back to march, right?
12:35 * DanChapman briefly recalls reading that somewhere. Probably g+
12:35 <popey> and we've agreed with product management that we should land Dekko in the default image at the OTA-10 release
12:35 <DanChapman> \o/
12:35 <JMulholland> Woohoo! :D
12:35 <DanChapman> And that's without notifications?
12:36 <popey> That we need to bring up again with PM
12:36 <popey> which I will.
12:36 <faenil> wooo cool!
12:36 <DanChapman> Cause i've got bugs i'd want to fix before OTA-10 but if notifications is still the priority then I might not get to them
12:36 <DanChapman> Ok great. THanks :-)
12:37 <popey> np
12:37 <popey> Also, thanks to JMulholland & faenil for all those dekko bugs we filed
12:37 <faenil> DanChapman: just ooi, what was the change that brought the startup speed improvement?
12:37 <popey> from running on the tablet
12:37 <faenil> popey: our pleasure
12:37 <faenil> :D
12:37 <JMulholland> popey: np!
12:37 <DanChapman> yep thanks guys for the bugs :-)
12:38 <JMulholland> I think it would be good to do a couple more tear-down/QA sessions like that for Dekko before we hit OTA 10
12:38 <JMulholland> UX/Visual QA that is
12:39 <popey> +1
12:39 <popey> Did the testing with "normals" that Ting did include Dekko?
12:40 <JMulholland> I believe so, among others
12:40 <JMulholland> so we’ll be sure to take a good look at her report as and when its ready :)
12:40 <DanChapman> faenil, there was loads of changes that aided it. Optimized all bindings etc, got rid of hundreds/thousands of uneeded mallocs. Optimized the authentication process and selecting/fetching at the first available opportunity... there's more can't remember them all.
12:40 <davmor2> popey: note how JMulholland changed that description so quickly, he knows I just make the devs cry
12:41 <faenil> DanChapman: ok cool
12:41 <JMulholland> davmor2 XD
12:41 <popey> nice work DanChapman
12:41 <DanChapman> JMulholland, yeah that sounds like a plan.
12:41 <faenil> popey: yes Dekko has been usertested as well, not much, but something
12:42 <faenil> account setup and a few actions
12:42 <popey> okay
12:42 <faenil> like logging out of an account (a feature we don't have, but to see where users would expect it to be)
12:42 <faenil> new message, reply..
12:43 <faenil> don't remember what else
12:43 <DanChapman> I don't think i've ever seen a logout action in an email client.
12:43 * DanChapman looks at thunderbird
12:43 <popey> no, only a delete account
12:43 <popey> or switch off syncing
12:43 <popey> which keeps creds but stops sending/receiving
12:43 <JMulholland> yea its typically an account management action
12:44 <popey> yeah, a system settings thing
12:44 <popey> notabug
12:44 <popey> :)
12:44 <faenil> yea, you still want to know where the user would expect that to be
12:44 <faenil> I wouldn't expect to have to go to system settings to log out from my email client, for instance
12:46 <popey> fair
12:46 <popey> i certainly think a "disable account" option inside the mail client isn't unreasonable
12:46 <popey> anyway, this should be a bug with a mock up maybe?
12:47 <faenil> I guess so
12:47 <JMulholland> Righto
12:47 <DanChapman> Yeah i agree. :-) Should it be more toggle between online/offline rather than logout
12:48 <faenil> DanChapman: I don't know, I agree logout is not common to find in an email client, you usually just delete the account...
12:48 <DanChapman> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/dekko/+spec/online-accounts if you take a look at question 2. I'm stuck on how Dekko should deal with googles 2fa. Both from a technical and UX POV
12:48 <popey> yeah, if I am on holiday, it should be possible to disable my work mail account
12:49 <popey> and re-enable it when i get back, with minimum fuss
12:49 <davmor2> popey, DanChapman: Maybe press and hold the account and have the checkbox feature that we have else where to enable and disable account, that way it is out of the way for day to day use, but you can disable your work account when you are on holiday for example
12:49 <popey> and not deleting mail or anything
12:49 <davmor2> popey: no just stops the accounts access to the interwebz
12:50 <popey> yeah
12:52 <popey> DanChapman: so with 2fa enabled, you _have_ to use app specific password for dekko currently?
12:52 <popey> that the same for all email clients? what does thunderbird do for 2fa accounts?
12:53 <DanChapman> popey, it's more you _have_ to use app specific password for any app to access IMAP/SMTP. That's a google policy that dekko can't work around.
12:53 <DanChapman> It's the same for all
12:54 <popey> right
12:54 <popey> I don't see an easy solution to that.
12:56 <DanChapman> Yeah i'm stumped by it. It just makes the UX nasty as you end up with a google account you can't use if you just created it but you assume the account is valid because OA successfully signed you in.
12:58 <popey> I wonder if online accounts would accept a patch which feeds back to calling app that it's a 2fa account?
12:58 <popey> no idea if that's possible or indeed wise!
12:59 <DanChapman> probably worth asking mardy about that.
13:00 * DanChapman adds work item
13:01 <popey> yeah
13:01 <popey> can't see other way to do that
13:01 <popey> he might
13:01 <popey> Ok, anything else?
13:01 <popey> You prepping a new release? :)
13:03 <DanChapman> Just one thing. The message reply conundrum that's confused the world. Should i jsut add the other reply modes to the popover next to the reply action for now?
13:03 <popey> Yeah, that needs fixing urgently IMO.
13:03 <popey> JMulholland: what do you think?
13:04 <DanChapman> And add a default reply mode selector in settings. As some may prefer just reply instead of reply-all as the default
13:04 <JMulholland> I think that’s better than nothing in the interim
13:04 <DanChapman> Cool :-)
13:04 <popey> yeah
13:04 <JMulholland> but we definitely need to redesign that
13:04 <popey> +1
13:04 <JMulholland> clearly causing some consfussion
13:04 * JMulholland makes a note/ work card
13:05 <DanChapman> popey, maybe another week or so before the next release :-)
13:05 <DanChapman> I don't have anything else this week.
13:05 <popey> Ok
13:05 <popey> I will be afk next week as I'll be at a conference.
13:05 <popey> You guys can of course meet without me, and I can read the logs ㋛
13:06 <faenil> :)
13:06 <JMulholland> righto popey
13:06 <popey> anything else from you guys JMulholland faenil ?
13:06 <faenil> nope
13:06 <DanChapman> ok :-)
13:06 <JMulholland> noothing here
13:06 <popey> \o/ Thanks chaps!
13:06 <faenil> o/
13:06 <JMulholland> have a good one o/
13:06 <popey> #endmeeting