16:49 <popey> #startmeeting Weather app meeting 16:49 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Oct 23 16:49:30 2015 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 16:49 <meetingology> 16:49 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 16:49 * ahayzen moves the curtains ... gloomy 16:49 <popey> Hello hello! 16:49 <ahayzen> hey, how's your week been? 16:49 <popey> Get new ones. Nobody wants gloomy curtains 16:49 <vthompson> Hey guys! 16:49 <ahayzen> haha student life 16:50 <popey> :) 16:50 <popey> Super stuff. 16:50 <popey> Thanks again for the last minute fixes to get the weather in the store. 16:50 <vthompson> Busy, but it's the weekend so that's all behind me now 16:50 <popey> Seeing positive reviews turn up already! 16:50 <ahayzen> everyone get my mass email thing earlier ? 16:50 <ahayzen> :-) 16:50 <vthompson> What email was that? 16:50 <popey> https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.weather 16:50 <vthompson> Ohhh, bug fix releasing? 16:50 <ahayzen> like 20+ fix committed -> fix released 16:50 <popey> Surprisingly few bug mails 16:50 <ahayzen> hehe 16:51 <ahayzen> we need to go through the old apps ones now, and invalid/fix-released them 16:51 <vthompson> yea, I saw the 50+ emails in my inbox this morning and was wondering who to blame 16:51 <ahayzen> "This app is 100% better with the new version, it looks great and I can actually use it now. Well done to all involved" 16:51 <ahayzen> :-D 16:51 <popey> Yeah, that's a nice way to end the week! 16:51 <vthompson> \o/ 16:51 <popey> Well done. 16:51 <popey> So, agenda. 16:51 <popey> * UC1.3 16:52 <popey> * UOS (done?) 16:52 <popey> * AOB 16:52 <ahayzen> * convergence 16:52 <popey> Go! 16:52 <ahayzen> * 2.1 16:52 <popey> oh yes. 16:52 <ahayzen> ok .. again we have a listitems thing 16:52 <ahayzen> i'm gonna create a UC1.3 bump over the weekend that that can be rebased onto 16:52 <vthompson> Yea, we'll have to pick that up and try to verify what still needs to be done 16:52 <ahayzen> yeah it'll need tweaks to the listitems as i changed the way the animations etc were done 16:53 <ahayzen> is that a team branch? 16:53 <vthompson> I think we can make the UC1.3 bump for the next OTA here as well, it'll just be harder than for music 16:53 <vthompson> I thought it was 16:53 <ahayzen> eh i think once we have fixed the issues with music, we can pretty much copy across 16:53 <popey> yeah. 16:53 <vthompson> right 16:53 <ahayzen> so that should be pretty simple 16:54 <ahayzen> listitems affect/are used more in music so i wanna focus testing and coding on that first 16:54 <ahayzen> then just copy what we have learnt into the weather branch 16:54 <vthompson> agreed, we're almost there for music, so shouldn't be too long 16:54 <ahayzen> yup 16:54 <ahayzen> ok next! 16:54 <ahayzen> UOS 16:54 <ahayzen> oo we have a session :-) 16:54 <popey> :) 16:55 <ahayzen> so for both music+weather we can pre-fill the pad as usual 16:55 <vthompson> We can start putting together an agenda for the session(s) in the pad 16:55 <vthompson> yep :) 16:55 <popey> +1 16:55 <ahayzen> :-) 16:55 <popey> link to the docs we have in there too 16:55 <ahayzen> coolio 16:55 <popey> any design docs, the poll results, everything (music etc) 16:55 <ahayzen> :-) 16:56 <popey> I think a big topic for uos will be the alerts for weather 16:56 <popey> be good to put some thought into that before hand 16:56 <ahayzen> yeah, did you remember the plan you came up with for that? 16:56 <popey> Nope! 16:56 <ahayzen> :'( 16:56 <popey> Hence why I need to put some thought into it :D 16:56 <ahayzen> vthompson, didn't we have something else we delayed for 2.1? 16:56 <vthompson> weather map? 16:56 <ahayzen> ah yes! 16:56 <popey> Ah! 16:56 <popey> Good call. 16:57 <ahayzen> rainfall radar, IR satellite etc 16:57 <vthompson> did we ask for design for that? 16:57 <ahayzen> nope 16:57 <popey> Don't think so 16:57 <ahayzen> that'd be sooooo cool 16:57 <vthompson> It'd be nice to get design to come up with a way of displaying the info 16:57 <ahayzen> yeah 16:57 * ahayzen tries to remember if we can get the last 5hrs of rainfall ... so then we could animate 16:58 <popey> Maybe we could look at other apps we like on other platforms for inspiration, in lieu of design input? 16:58 <ahayzen> yeah 16:58 <popey> Having never needed a map, I kinda dunno what the key things are you need 16:58 <popey> I have an ios and android devices though so can have a look around 16:59 <ahayzen> my dad uses a rainfall radar all the time 16:59 <vthompson> I bet we'd just put another icon in the upper right and then the UI for the actual map would be just a standard full screen 16:59 <popey> yeah, like a round radar icon 16:59 <vthompson> yea 16:59 <popey> big scrolly map 16:59 <popey> Design: DONE 16:59 <popey> Next! 16:59 <ahayzen> like all you need is a few frames of the rainfall and you can tell which way it is going and if your gonna get wet 16:59 <vthompson> with maybe one icon on the map to "close" it 16:59 <popey> pffft 17:00 <ahayzen> what else for 2.1? ... 17:00 <vthompson> hm 17:00 <popey> I think that's gonna be enough? 17:00 <ahayzen> more providers ;-) ? 17:00 <ahayzen> hopefully now OWM has an API key it won't go down as much 17:00 <vthompson> I know design was really keen on "natural language" forecasts when they originally did the design 17:00 <popey> yeah, if we know of any regional ones, that would be good to get others to contribute 17:01 <popey> I'm keen on other people contributing the backends 17:01 * ahayzen notes he should create a README to tell developers they will need to get their own OWM key or ask us for one 17:01 <popey> especially if they are from a specific region (e.g. India / Russia) 17:01 <ahayzen> yeah 17:01 <popey> didn't we put it in keys.js? 17:01 <ahayzen> localised weather providers :-) 17:01 <popey> as a comment 17:01 <ahayzen> we did 17:01 <ahayzen> but its not obvious if you just branch and run the code 17:01 <popey> ok, should add docs and I can add to the core apps website 17:02 <popey> lemme know when you add it, and I'll point to it from there 17:02 <ahayzen> coolio 17:02 <ahayzen> so alerts, maps, providers and natural language 17:02 <vthompson> For the weather alerts, who else do we need to include in the discussion 17:02 <popey> Depends how we architect it 17:02 <vthompson> The first two being the more important 17:02 <ahayzen> security/privacy people and design ? 17:02 <ahayzen> yup 17:03 <popey> but yes, we should come up with a high level plan and run it past design / security 17:03 <ahayzen> oooo convergence! 17:03 <ahayzen> that was it! 17:03 <ahayzen> lol 17:03 <vthompson> Didn't we sort of have a plan for the alerts when the design spec came out? 17:04 <ahayzen> not really, we came up with using account-polld but that was it 17:04 <vthompson> I wonder what a converged weather app would look like 17:05 <ahayzen> no scrolling 17:05 <popey> MASSIVE clouds 17:05 <ahayzen> daily info to the right ? 17:05 <ahayzen> or would you show multiple days 17:05 <popey> Well... 17:05 <vthompson> and you probably wouldn't need to toggle the hourly info 17:05 <ahayzen> popey, do we know what clock is doing? i sense we may want to consider if they show multiple locations or just further info 17:05 <popey> No. 17:05 <ahayzen> that could be underneath the *massive* cloud 17:06 <vthompson> yea probably 17:06 <ahayzen> i vote we just try a few things and then present to design 17:06 <ahayzen> as we've done with music 17:06 <ahayzen> as that seems to work well ;-) 17:06 <popey> +1 17:06 <popey> see which ones get people making youtube videos 17:06 <popey> :) 17:06 <ahayzen> popey, did you figure out where that mockup of music came from ;-) 17:06 <popey> hah, no. I didn't ask tbh 17:07 <vthompson> oh from that blog post? 17:07 <ahayzen> vthompson, did you see this? http://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/10/20/ubuntus-path-to-convergence/ 17:07 <ahayzen> yah 17:07 <vthompson> yea, I was wondering who made it as well 17:07 <ahayzen> vthompson, also note in the mockup, all the cards are the same size 17:07 * ahayzen was wondering if we could jump to GridView ;-) 17:07 <popey> I expect it was jouni 17:07 <ahayzen> now that thumbnailer is super duper fast 17:08 <ahayzen> anyway this is music not weather... 17:08 <popey> :) 17:08 <vthompson> lol 17:08 <popey> We should have one meeting for both, for maximum confusion. 17:08 <popey> Ok, anything else for weather? 17:08 <ahayzen> erm... 17:09 <ahayzen> where is that bug you reported... 17:09 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1509298 17:09 <ahayzen> we should probably check out that 17:09 <vthompson> For convergence, do we want to do prototype branches and share on social media sometime in the future 17:09 <vthompson> ? 17:09 <ahayzen> +1 17:10 <ahayzen> we could create a poll :') lol 17:10 <ahayzen> i think a video/photo and then read the comments would be best tbh 17:10 <popey> :D 17:10 <popey> ya 17:11 <popey> Well, the poll thing worked out really well. 17:11 <popey> Lots of positive comments, enough votes to be worthwhile. 17:11 <ahayzen> it did, but that was for features 17:11 <popey> True. 17:11 <ahayzen> so it didn't matter if your vote came second/last where as this is do we want A or B 17:12 <ahayzen> people that vote the lower option would feel left out/bad 17:12 <ahayzen> so i think comments would be better 17:12 <popey> Okay. Makes sense. 17:12 <popey> Right, we done? 17:12 <ahayzen> think so 17:12 <vthompson> So for that bug, I think the way we get the user's location is different 17:12 <vthompson> so it's expected that it wouldn't match, per se 17:13 <ahayzen> vthompson, maybe but it is consistently ~1°C out 17:13 <ahayzen> so i was wondering if there is a rounding error somewhere 17:13 <vthompson> The website and the app say I'm in different towns even 17:13 <vthompson> It'd be odd if it's always 1 deg 17:13 <ahayzen> and this is what was said on the coreapps mailing list 17:13 <vthompson> It's 5 degrees for me 17:13 <ahayzen> "First of all, great new design of the app and the it is more smooth than ever. 17:13 <ahayzen> I realize that the values of weather on the app is not the same on the Weather Channel website. Same location with different results." 17:14 <ahayzen> well i searched for say London, or Oxford and they were slightly out between web and app 17:14 <ahayzen> but we don't know how *far* out this persons results were 17:14 <vthompson> We should investigate further, but I assume it's a location detection issue--which should be a non-issue 17:15 <ahayzen> yeah, it was just something i wanted to investigate and not be lost really :-) 17:15 <vthompson> cool, yea 17:15 <vthompson> Is that everything? 17:15 <vthompson> Nothing more from me 17:16 <ahayzen> don't think so, ooo should we change trunk to be /reboot now? 17:16 <ahayzen> or will CI somewhere explode ? 17:16 <popey> yes 17:16 <popey> oh, don't think so 17:16 <ahayzen> oh yeah 17:16 <popey> but lets do that on monday when people can fix it if it does :D 17:16 <ahayzen> meanwhile ... we have https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/ and ... 17:16 <vthompson> ah, do you want to do that ahayzen ? 17:16 <ahayzen> https://ubuntu-community-testing.staging.ubuntu.com/reports/overview 17:16 <ahayzen> now 17:16 <ahayzen> vthompson, lets do it on monday as popey said 17:17 <ahayzen> note most of the manual test results for the music sd card that fail state "i don't have a SD card" 17:17 <vthompson> cool, sounds good 17:17 <vthompson> have a good weekend guys! 17:17 <ahayzen> you too :-) 17:18 <popey> Thanks again chaps! 17:18 <ahayzen> \o/ 17:18 <popey> Have a good weekend, see you next week! 17:18 <popey> #endmeeting