16:01 <popey> #startmeeting Music app meeting
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16:01 <popey> Hey chaps, how you doing?
16:01 <ahayzen> good thanks, until about 15mins ago when jenkins collapsed due to utopic not existing here anymore http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ :-) ... you ?
16:01 <vthompson> I'm good, thanks. How are you guys?
16:01 <popey> oh jeez
16:01 <ahayzen> (i've asked in -ci-eng)
16:02 <popey> we shouldn't be building on utopic at all
16:02 <ahayzen> yeah well...we are :-) lol
16:02 <vthompson> I'd imagine we aren't alone
16:02 <popey> balloons is on vacation so we can't poke him
16:03 <popey> Finally goodbye utopic!
16:03 <popey> Jeez, worst release ever ;)
16:03 <ahayzen> really?
16:03 <ahayzen> karmic was bad
16:03 <vthompson> It might not have actually been that utopic
16:03 <popey> For the logs.. no, all releases are beautiful snowflakes
16:03 <ahayzen> the jump to pulse <3 "oh noes my audio is broken"
16:04 <popey> Speaking of pulse.
16:04 <popey> Music!
16:04 <ahayzen> hehe
16:04 <vthompson> Convergence!
16:04 <ahayzen> UOS!
16:04 <popey> Indeed.
16:04 <vthompson> So as for UOS, Tuesday is the day that's best for me
16:04 <ahayzen> same
16:04 <ahayzen> i have no lectures on a tuesday :-)
16:05 <vthompson> Perfect, if we could get our sessions on Tuesday that would be cool
16:05 <vthompson> back to back or not doesn't really matter too  much I suppose
16:05 <popey> Ok.
16:06 <vthompson> I'd prefer a somewhat later in the day schedule as well
16:06 <ahayzen> FYI fginther is going to try disabling the utopic job to see if that fixes our jenkins woes
16:07 <popey> ok
16:07 <vthompson> ahayzen, awesome. fginther to the rescue
16:07 <ahayzen> vthompson, when OTA7 is out we might be able to land the new listitems :-O
16:08 <vthompson> So, I know we've said this a lot, but perhaps we should do the community/G+ feature poll for music so we have it to discuss at UOS?
16:08 <popey> heh
16:08 <ahayzen> haha
16:08 <ahayzen> we actually should this time
16:08 <vthompson> popey, when is OTA7 expected to ship?
16:08 <ahayzen> 'soon'
16:08 <vthompson> It's always soon :P
16:08 <ahayzen> everything is frozen at the moment
16:09 <popey> 19th
16:09 <popey> testing underway right now
16:10 <vthompson> cool. So, here's my plan. ahayzen can we kinda work together to put together the feature poll and we can either hand it off to popey or he can just share it on G+ for a wider audience
16:10 <popey> +1
16:10 <ahayzen> yup if it is posted in appdevs community first then it can be reshared in the personal channels
16:10 <vthompson> that'd work great
16:11 <ahayzen> ok shall we create a list of a separate sheet on that spreadsheet?
16:11 <vthompson> We can just use that sheet
16:12 <ahayzen> awesome
16:12 <popey> +1
16:12 <ahayzen> oh yeah i've been working with Jim and....
16:13 <ahayzen> ...Alfonso on the bg-playlists stuff
16:13 <ahayzen> managed to get 3 of the 'top' 4 issues fixed https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xzI4D6knVJ6VmXxqJ2gyGSMowbtVVoNPgQl1fywim_U/edit
16:13 <vthompson> that's great news
16:13 <ahayzen> and Jim is working on the performance one at the moment
16:13 <davmor2> +1
16:13 <ahayzen> slowly getting closer and closer :-)
16:14 <vthompson> the batch adding of tracks to the queue, is that something they're looking into now?
16:14 <ahayzen> vthompson, thats the 'performance' one :-)
16:14 <ahayzen> so yeah Jim is looking into that
16:16 <davmor2> ahayzen, vthompson: currently there is retesting of silo 55 going on with the plan to land it as soon as ota8 is open with the plan that all the apps that use mpris and bg playlist can be landed  and then fixed throughout ota8
16:16 <ahayzen> davmor2, awesome :-)
16:16 <davmor2> that plan might change but is the overall goal
16:17 <vthompson> davmor2, cool. Sounds like a good target to try to hit, I'm not hugely optimistic we'll hit it, but we can try
16:17 <popey> Thanks for the input davmor2 !
16:17 <ahayzen> vthompson, i think our plan is to just switch to using bg-playlists first... then in a separate release remove stuff like the lifecycle exception
16:18 <ahayzen> as we have other things that will break if we remove the lifecycle exception :-/
16:18 <vthompson> ahayzen, that's what I recall the plan being as well
16:18 <ahayzen> :-)
16:19 <vthompson> Putting the mh3 stuff aside for a second, should we try to source input on the convergence branch in the video popey shared?
16:20 <vthompson> I assume we'll get feedback as-is, but is there anything more we should try to do? Maybe track any issues in another google doc just as we are doing for mh3?
16:20 <ahayzen> read the comments? ... but seriously yeah we should and maybe invite feedback in the session at UOS ?
16:20 <popey> I'm not convinced internet comments are the best place to get feedback :)
16:21 <popey> I noticed a few gotchas, I can certainly provide you higher quality feedback :D
16:21 <popey> (I think)
16:21 <ahayzen> hehe :-)
16:21 <ahayzen> obviously there are the bugs i linked to you.. and the fact that the sidebar is missing header actions (waiting on a component from tim)
16:22 <ahayzen> but i guess some views could probably do with a refresh in the 'wider' mode
16:22 <vthompson> Cool, let's do so in a google doc or something.
16:22 * ahayzen tries to find the bug
16:22 <popey> ok, got one already?
16:22 <popey> I'll add some notes to it
16:22 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1397582
16:22 <ahayzen> that was an old one
16:22 <ahayzen> but i guess could be reused, maybe?
16:23 <ahayzen> or maybe a new one specifically for the convergence stuff would be better?
16:23 <popey> I am happy to file a bunch of bugs
16:23 <popey> that's the "right" way to do it?
16:23 <ahayzen> yeah :-)
16:23 <popey> I can tag them with something?
16:23 <ahayzen> 'convergence' ?
16:23 <popey> convergence-bitches
16:23 <ahayzen> 'ahayzen-todo'
16:23 <vthompson> Bugs are fine, I just thought it'd be easier to track them in a list in a doc
16:23 <ahayzen> ;-) lol
16:23 <popey> haha
16:23 <vthompson> haha
16:24 <vthompson> as I think a lot of what we'll come up with are opinions and things up for debate. I'd also like to maybe get some design input, or maybe the SDK team if they have opinions
16:25 <vthompson> since they have had their heads down thinking about convergence for some time now
16:25 <popey> I am in london next week, will pounce on James
16:25 <ahayzen> it'd probably be good to get Tim to have a play about with it so he can see the bugs himself
16:25 <ahayzen> "<ahayzen> IIRC these are the bugs blocking convergence landing pad.lv/1489591 pad.lv/1489850 pad.lv/1492343"
16:26 <ahayzen> + the extra header component that we need
16:26 <popey> nice timing james
16:26 <vthompson> :)
16:26 <ahayzen> haha
16:28 <ahayzen> guess we'll have a second iteration of convergence stuff as well.. like right click menus, scrollbars etc
16:28 <ahayzen> or will they come 'for free' from the SDK
16:30 <vthompson> I'm not sure how that'll work. I'd imagine we'll talk about it again at UOS
16:30 <ahayzen> IIRC the plan was for leading/trailing actions to be auto made into a right click menu
16:31 <ahayzen> and somehow for the multiselect...but not sure how that part would work
16:31 <popey> if you guys have a short list, I can pounce on james next week
16:31 <vthompson> I sent out a google doc to track convergence issues
16:31 <popey> excellent
16:31 <vthompson> James was included
16:31 <vthompson> But still feel free to ping him
16:32 <vthompson> s/ping/pounce on
16:32 <ahayzen> "streaming?"
16:32 <ahayzen> :-)
16:33 <vthompson> Ah nearly forgot about that
16:33 <vthompson> Was the one main thing we were waiting on mostly just design related?
16:34 <ahayzen> yup
16:34 <ahayzen> design and an ack from mh that they can do it
16:34 <popey> platform issues yeah
16:35 <vthompson> I'd really thing that streaming discussion is blocked by mh needing to finalize bg playlists
16:35 <vthompson> *think
16:35 <popey> +1
16:36 <ahayzen> yup
16:36 <vthompson> Anything thing else to discuss?
16:36 <ahayzen> someone just asked in #ubuntu-touch "can we have "now playing" as a bottom edge feature"
16:36 <ahayzen> what happened with that didn't we stop due to bugs?
16:36 <vthompson> :)_
16:36 <popey> pass
16:36 <ahayzen> but then that should be easier now the now playing is a separate component
16:37 <ahayzen> IIRC we didn't land as it sortof 'jumped' as it pushed the page on
16:37 <ahayzen> creating a weird animation
16:37 <vthompson> I think so. Also, I envisioned it working without a tool tip and things didn't seem to work very well
16:37 <ahayzen> yeah direct from the 'toolbar'
16:37 <vthompson> ahayzen, true. We could try to look into it again, I suppose
16:37 * popey has flashbacks to when we had a toolbar
16:37 <ahayzen> we do have a toolbar...
16:37 <popey> i mean the retro one
16:37 <ahayzen> just its now a Rectangle {} :-)
16:38 <popey> hah
16:38 <ahayzen> hah the 'retro one' lol
16:38 <popey> no, nothing else from me
16:38 <vthompson> Cool, it'd be nice if we could do something worth justifying a new release of the music app
16:39 <ahayzen> new listitems :-)
16:39 <vthompson> in the near term, but I don't know what that'd be.
16:39 <ahayzen> 2wks away :-)
16:39 <vthompson> Yea, I suppose that's the best thing to try to get in
16:39 <vthompson> listitems and UC1.3, etc
16:40 <ahayzen> i'll remerge listitems so then we can get testing it
16:40 <popey> "* Bug fixes and performance improvements"
16:40 <ahayzen> as its quite big codewise
16:40 <ahayzen> thing is we have like *massive* branches at the moment
16:40 <ahayzen> with like bg-playlists, convergence and new listitems
16:41 <vthompson> Merging will not be fun
16:41 <ahayzen> it'll be fine
16:41 * ahayzen hidees
16:42 <vthompson> haha, well let's move on. :)
16:42 <popey> we done?
16:42 <davmor2> vthompson: if it all goes wrong just blamepopey™
16:42 <popey> \o/
16:42 <popey> davmor2: were you silent for the last 15 mins looking for the ™ key? :)
16:42 <vthompson> davmor2, I would have it no other way :)
16:42 <popey> \o/
16:43 <vthompson> lol
16:43 <popey> #endmeeting