19:31 <popey> #startmeeting Music meeting
19:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 21 19:31:04 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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19:31 <popey> \o/ Hows you?
19:31 <ahayzen> good thanks, you?
19:31 * ahayzen assumes victor is vthompson ?
19:31 <Guest67538> Yes, I'm on my Mac
19:31 <ahayzen> coolio
19:31 <ahayzen> o/
19:31 <popey> \o/
19:32 <ahayzen> so the clock guys just landed... https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/custom-alarm-sound/+merge/268499
19:32 <ahayzen> ...and we have https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/fix-1357324-content-hub-source/+merge/268391 to compliment
19:32 <popey> Excellent
19:32 <ahayzen> we ideally need to land in the store together
19:32 <popey> not a problem
19:32 <Guest67538> Ok, I should be able to review and test that. Maybe we can get it in trunk tonight
19:33 <popey> but after ota-6?
19:33 <ahayzen> its not dependant on anything pre-ota-6 for us
19:33 <Guest67538> I assume the same for clock, but should check with them
19:33 <ahayzen> but IIRC clock has stuff in trunk that will require ota6, nik90 ?
19:33 <ahayzen> (but we can land before thats no problem its the other way around that is a problem as the clock would then have no source of music)
19:34 <nik90> nope, clock doesn't depend on OTA-6 either
19:34 <ahayzen> \o/
19:34 <ahayzen> popey, how busy are the QA guys at the moment?
19:35 <popey> hah
19:35 <ahayzen> ;-)
19:35 <popey> once OTA-6 is out of the way, should be groovy
19:35 * popey tickles davmor2
19:35 <ahayzen> cool
19:35 <nik90> ahayzen: I presume you guys will want a few days for translations as well? (same for clock)
19:36 <ahayzen> erm we don't have any additional translations
19:36 <nik90> what about the "Export music" in the MP?
19:36 <vthompson> We should try to do some spacing adjustments in weather for langs such as German
19:36 <ahayzen> ah
19:36 <nik90> or you used the default content-hub string?
19:37 * ahayzen wonders if he even put that in a .tr()
19:37 <vthompson> oh nm, I was thinking of weather
19:37 <ahayzen> vthompson, thats in another 23mins hold fire ;-)...
19:37 <popey> :)
19:37 <nik90> :D
19:38 <ahayzen> ugh need to rebuild the .pot just for that extra title...unless we call it something else which we already have :-/
19:39 <vthompson> Yea, there's a new "Export Song" string
19:39 <popey> we can request help from the translations teams as usual?
19:39 <vthompson> So, we'll want a few days after this lands in trunk then
19:39 <vthompson> Land it today/tomorrow. Send request tomorrow? Monday?
19:40 <ahayzen> ota6 is looking like end of next week?
19:40 <popey> y
19:41 <ahayzen> so if we aim to get it to QA be the end of next week ?
19:41 <ahayzen> *by the
19:42 <popey> or sometime before the end of the week
19:42 <popey> yes
19:42 <vthompson> hm, I'd like to try to fix this too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1483962
19:42 <vthompson> I don't think it's a big bug for anyone, but it's a bit annoying
19:42 <ahayzen> interesting
19:43 <ahayzen> surely just a tweak of the workerloader's sync count thingy?
19:43 <ahayzen> (increase it like we did for the reloading of the queue)
19:43 <vthompson> Probably, I think it's at 5 or so
19:44 <ahayzen> we have syncFactor: 10 for the queue
19:44 <ahayzen> yeah otherwise it is 5
19:45 <vthompson> Otherwise, the main focus right now is on getting mh3 bg playlists working
19:46 <ahayzen> yup i need to jump on the silo again :-)
19:46 <ahayzen> i heard its gonna be landed post-ota6
19:46 <ahayzen> so we have the whole of the ota7 cycle to test
19:47 <vthompson> Cool, I thought Jim wanted in OTA6 so it could get the tires kicked around a bit
19:48 <ahayzen> yeah idk just what i read from conversations
19:48 <ahayzen> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=ubuntu/landing-048
19:49 * popey invokes the power of invite
19:49 <nik90> https://trello.com/c/uSDxqv91/2160-140-ubuntu-landing-048-qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles-qtmultimedia-opensource-src-jhodapp explains why it was postponed
19:49 <ahayzen> also need to figure out a plan for supporting devices pre that
19:49 <ahayzen> which could be fun :')
19:49 <popey> \o/
19:50 <popey> hey jhodapp
19:50 <jhodapp> hey popey
19:50 <ahayzen> o/
19:50 <vthompson> o/
19:50 <popey> jhodapp: is there any update on background playlists (we were just discussing them in the music app meeting)
19:51 <jhodapp> popey, sitting in silo 48 waiting for QA to clear up a bit from testing OTA6
19:52 <ahayzen> ..also do we have a plan of how to support devices which are on old images?
19:52 <ahayzen> just ship two Player objects a flip between? (assume there is a property we can check for)
19:52 <popey> I think the general policy has usually been "everyone should upgrade"
19:52 * ahayzen really hoped for a framework bump
19:52 <jhodapp> ahayzen, not sure yet
19:52 <popey> but the problem comes where mako gets its update late
19:53 <jhodapp> we'd need to talk to the framework guys as this is out of my expertise
19:53 <popey> which annoys our developers who have them
19:53 <vthompson> I guess this is kinda close to 15.10
19:53 <ahayzen> popey, i thought other peoples (mzanetti maybe?) apps were broken due to folks updating the app and not the system
19:54 <popey> that has happened yes
19:54 <popey> I will bring this up at the sprint next week
19:54 <ahayzen> and shouldn't happen again ;-)
19:54 <popey> happens every release!
19:54 <ahayzen> if we could bind clicks to images ... or actually bump frameworks it wouldn't though would it ?
19:55 <popey> right, but we haven't done a framework bump for a while
19:55 <popey> will poke people on monday about it
19:55 <ahayzen> and we have a new UITK 1.3 coming out surely they'll need to bump for that?
19:55 <popey> I don't think they plan to
19:55 <ahayzen> ugh :-/
19:55 <jhodapp> yeah it sounds like this is a problem that needs to be solved above the context of background playlists
19:56 <jhodapp> really an architectural thing
19:56 <ahayzen> so if an app uses the new 1.3 components that gonna explode on older devices :-)
19:56 <popey> yeah, the plan has always been "everyone upgrade"
19:57 <vthompson> But it is still an issue on the desktop
19:57 <popey> but it doesn't work like that when QA block mako / flo updates
19:57 <popey> true
19:57 <ahayzen> so whats the point of the frameworks then lol ?
19:57 <ahayzen> if "everyone updates"
19:58 <jhodapp> exactly
19:58 <jhodapp> everyone is tracking latest and greatest then
19:58 <popey> I agree :)
19:58 <vthompson> I feel like this gets discussed all the time, but never actually fixed
19:58 <popey> +1
19:58 <ahayzen> either we don't have frameworks and everyone updates... or we have frameworks and we actually bump them when APIs change/added
19:58 * ahayzen remembers this discussion in Malta :'(
19:58 <popey> sorry guys :(
19:59 <vthompson> Well, we'll figure out UC1.3 when we get to it.
19:59 <ahayzen> hehe
19:59 <vthompson> For now, let's try to do something architecturally for MH3
19:59 <popey> Like I say, I'll speak to them next week, we have a sprint in London, the right people will be there I think.
19:59 <ahayzen> oh yeah in other news...we have another 'blocker' for the new listitems :-/
20:00 <ahayzen> vthompson, i say we wait for the discussions popey has next week as it could be alot of effort to make them both the same and flip between
20:00 <vthompson> No one cares about mako anyway ;)
20:00 <ahayzen> :'(
20:00 <vthompson> yea
20:01 <ahayzen> popey, is the listitem issue we are referring to https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1486008
20:01 <ahayzen> (mako specific)
20:01 <vthompson> Once we do start this testing, I can try to run the app on flo without mh3 and mako w/ mh3
20:01 <ahayzen> yeah :-)
20:02 <ahayzen> popey, will the design team be at the sprint as well ?
20:02 <popey> its london, i can walk over to design
20:02 <ahayzen> ah
20:03 * ahayzen wonders when we'll get the designs for the streaming stuff
20:03 <ahayzen> as we can't really work on it until then
20:03 <jhodapp> popey, indeed, this is a conversation to at least have with tvoss
20:03 * vthompson hopes it will be awhile... so we can focus on other things
20:03 <ahayzen> hehe
20:03 <popey> will speak to jouni, have added to my todo for next week
20:03 <vthompson> But I would like to see and comment on anything new
20:04 <jhodapp> vthompson, ahayzen: are you guys progressing anymore porting music-app to using silo 48 for bg playlists?
20:04 <popey> Sure.
20:04 <ahayzen> jhodapp, we sortof stopped for a bit, i'm gonna get back on it now its more stable
20:04 <vthompson> jhodapp, I hope we can start focusing on doing so this weekend and next week
20:04 <jhodapp> awesome
20:04 <ahayzen> IIRC the save/load() weren't working so i may need to put back our code
20:04 <ahayzen> unless they are magically working now :-)
20:05 <jhodapp> I think they'll be working
20:05 <jhodapp> so try that again
20:05 <ahayzen> okies that'll strip alot of our stuff :-D
20:07 <jhodapp> yeah indeed
20:08 <jhodapp> you guys will really be the needed pioneering app for this functionality
20:09 <ahayzen> yey \o/
20:09 * ahayzen likes working on bleeding edge things with basically no docs or examples :-)
20:09 <popey> :)
20:09 <ahayzen> (in a non-sarcastic way, i actually do ;-) )
20:10 * ahayzen remembers using python3 with gtk3 via pygi/pygobject before the docs existed
20:11 <popey> Ok, any other music issues for my to-do next week, or other items to discuss?
20:11 <ahayzen> popey, is there anything else for us to discuss with music? were any of us able to find an open source streaming thing ?
20:11 <ahayzen> unless you could poke the ms2 guys with some bugs ? ..
20:12 * ahayzen would really like this to be done https://bugs.launchpad.net/mediascanner2/+bug/1372000
20:12 * popey adds to list
20:12 <ahayzen> (there is even code! but its been under review for 9months?)
20:12 <vthompson> Sorry, I got silently booted I think
20:12 <popey> ugh
20:12 <ahayzen> vthompson, popey> Ok, any other music issues for my to-do next week, or other items to discuss?
20:13 <vthompson> I can't think of anything additional
20:13 <ahayzen> same really, just rant at people about frameworks
20:13 <vthompson> Since we have jhodapp here. Do you think you guys will have time to investigate/deliver media-hub streaming/decoding streaming content? Spotify or the like?
20:14 <popey> frameworks is top of the list
20:14 <vthompson> ^ I sent that earlier, but I think I had disco'd before hand
20:14 <ahayzen> Peter Griffin Voice> "you know what really grinds my gears?"
20:14 <popey> yeah, i pinged jim and joe, I assume joe is on vacation - jhodapp was jim at the stakeholder meeting this week? did streaming/spotify get discussed?
20:15 <jhodapp> we didn't have the stakeholder meeting because all of them are on vacation
20:16 <popey> figured as much
20:16 <popey> will pounce on joe on monday
20:17 * popey dries out the wet string vthompson is using to connect
20:17 <vthompson> popey, ugh, wifi
20:17 <ahayzen> haha
20:17 <vthompson> So is there a timeline of sorts for streaming/decoding in mh?
20:17 <popey> I don't think so
20:18 <ahayzen> 'asap' ;-)
20:18 <jhodapp> vthompson, no time table yet
20:18 <jhodapp> need to see it be prioritized with the other desired features before I can even think about working on it
20:18 <vthompson> ok, thats cool. You have bigger fish to fry
20:19 <jhodapp> I'd rather eat them than do the frying ;)
20:19 <popey> Ok, anything else?
20:20 <ahayzen> not from me
20:20 <vthompson> maybe we could get Mike Sheldon to give a guess at how much work it'd be, since he knows from the code in CuteSpotify
20:20 <vthompson> not from me
20:20 <vthompson> Not that it'd be apples to apples, of course
20:21 <popey> We can ask.
20:21 <popey> Lets move on :)
20:21 <popey> #endmeeting