15:02 <popey> #startmeeting Calculator meeting
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15:03 <popey> How you doing guys?
15:03 <rpadovani> good but busy, as usual :S
15:03 <gang66> Great as usual :-)
15:03 <popey> \o/
15:04 <popey> So you may have seen I uploaded the calculator with the new icon
15:04 <gang66> yes
15:04 <rpadovani> yap :-)
15:04 <gang66> Is it only icons ?
15:04 <popey> So we will need to poke JMulholland about the outstanding design issue you raised
15:04 <popey> only an icon update for that one
15:04 <JMulholland> o/
15:04 <popey> I grabbed the same bzr revno that was already in the store
15:04 <popey> this meant I could bypass QA
15:04 <popey> because it had already been done.
15:05 <popey> JMulholland: do you recall we talked about the inconsistency in colours?
15:05 <popey> now the new icon is in
15:05 <gang66> But we need to wait for some new General Design
15:05 <JMulholland> I think I recall, could you remind me of the specifics of the inconsistency?
15:06 <gang66> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1465241
15:06 <gang66> It's only about colors
15:06 <popey> well, as gang66 says, there's a more general "we need to finish off the design work"
15:06 <popey> that bug is, as gang66 says, just a colour consistency concern
15:08 <gang66> Is it will be revolutionary changes in Calculator?
15:08 <JMulholland> So is the inconsistency the design of the app itself vs. the redesigned calc icon?
15:09 <gang66> Will it be ...
15:09 <JMulholland> I know we dicussed the fact the calc app had evolved beyond the old spec, and it would be nice to bring giorgios old spec inline with the latest…
15:10 <gang66> It is a little more complicated...
15:10 <gang66> The Giorgios spec also evolved in time
15:11 <gang66> So Favourites evolved to Captions and later to Labels
15:12 <popey> heh
15:12 <gang66> And that remind me the old Calculator implementation (before reboot)
15:13 <gang66> So in the first Calculator implementation we have Labels
15:13 <gang66> Then in Reboot calculator it was evloved to Favourites
15:14 <gang66> And after a while it was a Caption
15:15 <gang66> And at the end we need to convert it to labels
15:16 <JMulholland> right
15:16 <popey> I think as we have it now, we have some stability.
15:16 <popey> Not many bugs coming in,
15:17 <popey> So not a huge amount to do on the existing code base
15:17 <popey> right?
15:17 <gang66> Sorry. it was Tags instead of Caption:
15:17 <gang66> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1EiIELGizPHrd0TY7JdNwULbiqPYfOyEEI5CS87n7QlY/edit#slide=id.g7b6f8ee55_01
15:17 <gang66> But popey said that labels is better name
15:17 <gang66> And we agreed on it
15:17 <JMulholland> I’ll see if I can get some time to overhaul the spec in general terms, but the rule we’re often given is ‘the most up to date implementation *is* the reference’ (agile style). I can understand the point, who does updated design material help if the application is already built? :)
15:18 <gang66> So current doc i really out od date
15:18 <JMulholland> I understand, I’ll see what I can do
15:18 <gang66> Thanks
15:19 <gang66> My idea is to get current implementation as starting point
15:19 <gang66> And improve it with iterations
15:20 <gang66> In Agile way
15:20 <gang66> We implement feature and get feedback
15:20 <JMulholland> on the bug mentioned previously, regarding the colours used in the app
15:21 <JMulholland> are we talking about aligning the colours used in the app itself with the green/blue icon visual design made?
15:22 <gang66> yes
15:22 <gang66> It is only align colors of application to new icon
15:23 <JMulholland> if so I’ll consult with visual design, but I think the idea with system/core apps (including calculator) is not to have them look like their icons
15:23 <gang66> Instead of Orange, use grenn/blue one
15:23 <JMulholland> but instead for them all to have a single consistant style across all the apps
15:23 <popey> ok
15:23 <JMulholland> but I’ll bring it up with visual design again
15:24 <gang66> Is Calculator visual is  consistent across all other apps
15:24 <gang66> ?
15:25 <JMulholland> Calculator is one of our apps that looks a lot like the new more minimal style, yes. I suspect calculator and clock influenced the new style for everything else a lot
15:26 <JMulholland> :)
15:26 <JMulholland> I’ll ask if we can get a visual designer to take a loot and give recommmendation (and colour values) for the calc app
15:26 <JMulholland> *take a look
15:27 <gang66> Great. Thanks
15:27 <rpadovani> thanks :-)
15:28 <gang66> One more question out of scope: When is Clock meeting ?
15:28 <gang66> :-)
15:28 <popey> we haven't had one for a while
15:28 <popey> so you get to choose :)
15:29 <popey> it used to be an hour from now, 16:30 UTC
15:30 <popey> Any other calculator related things?
15:30 <gang66> Not from my side
15:31 <rpadovani> nope
15:31 <popey> gang66: I'd recommend we create a blueprint (I can do that if you wish) to track these individual updates to the calculator app
15:32 <popey> we can than plan out when we want to land them so design have some idea and can plan their testing / feedback.
15:32 <gang66> Please do so
15:32 <popey> ok, will do
15:32 <gang66> I have no experience with blueprints
15:32 <popey> no worries
15:33 <popey> Ok, lets wrap. thanks chaps
15:33 <JMulholland> cheers!
15:33 <gang66> Bye
15:34 <JMulholland> see you gang66
15:34 <JMulholland> :)
15:34 <popey> #endmeeting