16:04 <popey> #startmeeting Terminal meeting
16:04 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul  8 16:04:08 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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16:05 <popey> how are you swordfish ?
16:06 <swordfish> Hello!.. I'm fine thanks... And you?
16:07 <popey> doing super thanks!
16:07 <swordfish> Great!... Did you mange to find the work on the standalone version of the terminal?
16:08 <popey> not really, I think that'll be a friday morning thing
16:08 <popey> I did figure out bug 1452691 though
16:08 <popey> hmm, no bot.
16:08 <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1452691
16:09 <popey> Seems the Ubuntu colour scheme is broken
16:09 <popey> looks like a simple number error in the text file, so could easily be a bitesize bug :)
16:11 <swordfish> Mmmh... That's a good catch. I don't know if the issue is the profile or the way we manage colors.
16:12 <popey> i fudged one line in the file and "fixed" it
16:12 <popey> bascially it's r,g,b values, and the r value was like 240 or something
16:12 <popey> so i swapped the r and b values, and magically red turns blue :)
16:12 <popey> i think it's just a typo
16:13 <swordfish> Nice. :D ...  I sadly don't remember what I did when I created the profile.
16:13 <popey> [Color4]
16:13 <popey> Bold=false
16:13 <popey> Color=220,62,16
16:13 <popey> Transparency=false
16:13 <popey> that just _looks_ wrong
16:13 <popey> r = 220 and b = 16, for a "blue" colour :)
16:13 <popey> anyway, it's triaged now, and marked bitesize.
16:14 <swordfish> Very well. Thanks!
16:14 <popey> Back to the subject of terminal standalone... I agree with Niklas that we should build a standalone one based off the same code base
16:14 <popey> After thinking, it seems daft to have a whole separate branch to maintain
16:14 <popey> Although we wouldn't want the code to be littered with ifdefs
16:17 <swordfish> I completely agree with you, but I don't really like the idea of putting everything in the same place. (And everything that gets composed at runtime)..
16:18 <popey> I don't think there's really a lot of difference between terminal and standalone to be honest
16:18 <swordfish> Maybe the best idea would be to split the terminal into core-component and "something else".
16:18 <popey> I didn't actually end up ripping much out, only really tabs and tab UI
16:18 <popey> maybe, yeah
16:18 <dpm> hey all o/
16:18 <popey> hello dpm
16:18 <swordfish> Hi dpm!
16:18 <dpm> sorry, just popping in out of the blue :)
16:18 <dpm> a call I was supposed to have did not happen
16:18 <dpm> hey swordfish, hi again popey :)
16:19 <dpm> just wanted to say I've been enjoying using Terminal as my main terminal on the desktop for the last 2 weeks :)
16:19 <swordfish> I'm really glad to hear that!... :D
16:20 <dpm> :-)
16:20 <popey> dpm: swordfish has been really busy recently with his new job
16:21 <popey> but Niklas has been stepping up and fixing some things
16:22 <swordfish> dpm, Yeah. My spare time has been greatly reduced, but likely someone else is helpling. :)
16:22 <swordfish> Anyway I expect more feedback and contribution as desktop becomes more important...
16:23 <dpm> swordfish, glad to hear about the new job, I hope it's going well
16:23 <dpm> yeah, we should push for more use of terminal on the desktop, you don't even need to wait for unity 8
16:24 <dpm> I might do shameless plugs of bugs I encounter as I use it :)
16:24 <popey> hah, do so
16:24 <dpm> :-)
16:24 <popey> The only other thing to mention, is the first run wizard
16:24 <dpm> oh, shiny
16:24 <popey> Niklas is keen on making a first run thing - like Unity8 or Music/Podbird has
16:25 <popey> because apparenly the gestures for scrolling etc are hard to find
16:25 <dpm> it'd be good to discover you can use double finger drag to scroll indeed :)
16:25 <popey> I say "apparently" because we all know about them...
16:25 <popey> I pinged a mail to JMulholland earlier today asking for some design input, and will catch up with him tomorrow
16:25 <dpm> well... I didn't until I saw it a couple of weeks ago on the mailing list :)
16:25 <popey> erk
16:26 <swordfish> Yeah, I think a small tutorial might be helpful. At least for the shortcuts-bar and the gestures.
16:26 <popey> well, we can fix that
16:26 <popey> yeah
16:26 <dpm> yeah
16:26 <popey> we have a bug for it, just need a design
16:26 <popey> we could use something simple like music/podbird
16:26 <dpm> cool
16:26 <popey> or go crazy with an overlay
16:26 <swordfish> dpm, (And of course feel free to open loads of bugs) :D
16:26 <swordfish> Definitely agreed!
16:27 * dpm sharpens mouse button :)
16:27 <dpm> yeah, I noticed the latest messaging app update brought a nice and simple overlay, might be yet another source for inspiration
16:28 <popey> will see what james says, if he has no opinion either way we'll do our own thing
16:28 <popey> Other than that I had nothing specific to discuss.
16:28 <dpm> ack
16:28 <dpm> although popey keeps updating me, I've been a bit out of touch with development - what's the context on the "standalone terminal" discussion?
16:28 <popey> swordfish: I am on vacation next week.
16:28 <swordfish> Agreed, now that we finally have a designer we should use it :D ...
16:29 <popey> dpm: imagine you wanted to ship mutt or irssi in the store
16:29 <popey> think of standalone terminal as a re-usable component
16:29 <popey> terminal standalone + mutt binary -> click package
16:29 <popey> user launches it, gets mutt (or whatever) and then when they exit, it drops out of the app, no shell
16:29 <popey> would be a stripped down terminal, no tabs for example, limited settings (font, colours etc)
16:30 <dpm> oh, I see
16:30 <dpm> has someone stepped up who wants to implement it?
16:30 <popey> I'd something we've thrown around for a while
16:30 <popey> not quite, niklas expressed an interest :)
16:31 <popey> we discussed over email over the last few days
16:31 <dpm> ok ok
16:32 <popey> Other than that, I had nothing else.
16:33 <dpm> any convergence-specific bugs/features? Otherwise I might have indeed a shameless plug ;)
16:33 <popey> go for it
16:33 <dpm> ok,
16:33 <dpm> On https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bugs?field.tag=convergence
16:34 <dpm> what's the status on the first one on the list, it seems we're nearly done?
16:34 * popey top approves https://code.launchpad.net/~nikwen/ubuntu-terminal-app/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/261787
16:34 <dpm> \o/
16:35 <popey> that was easy
16:35 <popey> next
16:35 <dpm> lol
16:35 <dpm> I think my only gripe right now with using Terminal on the desktop is the 3rd bug on the list
16:36 <dpm> which means I have to resize it every time it's launched
16:36 <dpm> I'm not sure how complex it will be to calculate the width according to 80 lines x font size
16:36 <swordfish> Yeah, dpm that should be easy to fix.
16:37 <swordfish> It's not hard since we already export the size of each character
16:37 <dpm> ah, cool
16:37 <swordfish> We should just compute the size and make sure it complies with the screen-size etc...
16:38 <dpm> swordfish, do you have any additional pointers we could add as comments for someone to pick up the bug?
16:40 <swordfish> Ok. I'll check it in the next two days. If I have time I'll fix it otherwise, I'll just write there something to ease the fix.
16:40 <dpm> awesome
16:41 <dpm> then the final one: I'm not sure how far-fetched it would be to integrate cool-retro-term effects to make it more attractive to desktop users
16:41 <popey> haha, that old nutshell
16:41 <dpm> me personally I only miss transparency, but others will have other opinions and favourite effects :)
16:42 <swordfish> Well. The easiest solution would be to pick the ones in the old ubuntu-terminal-app.
16:42 <swordfish> (and maybe improve them)
16:42 <swordfish> Picking directly the ones from CRT would be far more work
16:43 <swordfish> (without considering that they would be much heavier in terms of resources)
16:43 <swordfish> I believe the old version were a good tradeoff between aesthetics and speed...
16:44 <dpm> I was going to say: I think if they could only be chooseable on a desktop setting, it would be ok if they're heavier. But then again, a desktop setting might be your phone connected to a monitor :)
16:44 <dpm> so probably the tradeoff is the way to go
16:45 <popey> with a phone in desktop mode you'll be plugged into power
16:45 <popey> so battery eating is less of an issue
16:45 <dpm> good point too
16:45 <popey> and gpu accelerated I believe?
16:46 <popey> On another note, I'm on vacation next week. dpm will you be around at this time?
16:47 <dpm> popey, I've got a call at this time, but I'm sure we can find out someone else in the team. We should probably figure out tomorrow morning and arrange it then
16:47 <popey> k
16:47 <dpm> (for all core apps meetings)
16:49 <popey> Anything else?
16:49 <dpm> not from me, convergence ftw ;)
16:50 <popey> haha
16:50 <swordfish> Ok. Just let me know the final verdict. Another problem is temperature (with crt effects), the phone tends to run quite hot..
16:50 <popey> So only enable it in Norway and Finland?
16:50 <dpm> oh, that's not an issue, the MX4 runs quite hot by itself! ;)
16:50 <dpm> j/k
16:50 <popey> That's not a bug, that's a feature!
16:50 <dpm> :)
16:50 <swordfish> ahaha. WONTFIX is the right answer! :D
16:51 <popey> :)
16:51 <popey> Apply water to burned area.
16:51 <dpm> that's the spirit
16:51 <popey> etc
16:51 <popey> RIght, thanks chaps.
16:51 <popey> #endmeeting