12:00 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko 12:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 18 12:00:26 2015 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 12:00 <meetingology> 12:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 12:00 <popey> Hello! 12:00 * popey pings DanChapman 12:01 <DanChapman> Good afternoon :-) 12:01 <popey> Hey! 12:01 <popey> JMulholland: Welcome back :) 12:01 <JMulholland> thanks popey :) 12:01 <DanChapman> yes welcome back :-) 12:01 <JMulholland> thanks DanChapman :) 12:01 <JMulholland> getting up to speed again here 12:01 <JMulholland> how have you been? 12:02 <DanChapman> I've been good thanks, busy as usual :-) 12:02 <JMulholland> glad to hear it 12:03 <popey> what do we have to discuss today? 12:04 <DanChapman> So.... i can't get my head around this new GU layout 12:05 <DanChapman> it seems to me that if screen size is less than 90 gu then it is always the portrait view. anything larger then it's the landscape multi-column view 12:05 <popey> well, larger _and_ orientation is different? 12:05 <popey> i.e. wider than it is high? 12:06 <JMulholland> Just seeing if I can get a hold of pierre (the prototyper who’s done much of the recent work on GU) 12:06 <DanChapman> in my head width regardless of orientation. 12:07 <DanChapman> so the width determines the layout 12:07 <JMulholland> DanChapman that’s my understanding too 12:08 <JMulholland> vertical isn’t factored in, single/multi panel use is driven by horizontal width 12:08 <JMulholland> (seems pierre is out grabbing lunch) 12:08 <DanChapman> right, cool. :-) 12:11 <DanChapman> popey: how would you say these convergence changes should be introduced. In a seperate branch as it will dep on uitk 1.3 but dekko has only just moved to 1.2 12:11 <popey> I'd say we get it in ASAP 12:11 <popey> I wouldn't make it a separate reboot branch but seek to get it integrated as soon as possible 12:12 <popey> The problem is the dependency on 1.3 12:12 <DanChapman> Or is it a case of custom components again until uitk ones are available 12:12 <popey> Do you not think it's a significant amount of work to maintain two branches? 12:13 <DanChapman> yeah i want to avoid it if I can, but I don't want to end up blocking updates again, like I had to the last 6 weeks waiting for vivid. 12:14 <popey> right 12:15 <popey> uitk 1.3 is some way off I believe 12:15 * faenil reads backlog 12:16 <DanChapman> hey faenil 12:16 <faenil> yo 12:17 <JMulholland> hihi 12:17 <faenil> this is the component that it's going to be used for multipanel stuff (WARNING: header/bottom edge stuff still missing) 12:17 <faenil> https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multicolumnview 12:18 <faenil> the component itself is wip, but zsombor is on holiday for 3 weeks, so we'll have to fix it ourself if we find bugs or missing features 12:18 <faenil> but if you want to have a look at what you're going to use in the future, that's the branch to look at for the multipanel stuff 12:18 <JMulholland> nice, thanks faenil :D 12:19 <faenil> :) 12:20 <faenil> the integration of a split header (each panel will have its own header, design wise) is wip, and not in that branch 12:20 <DanChapman> thanks that helps. 12:23 <DanChapman> JMulholland: is your current UX spec planned to be drastically changed at all. Or can i make a start on getting some of the ground work in for these changes 12:24 <JMulholland> DanChapman the only substantial item ive been asked to work in is around introducing a 3-panel layout, with a left aligned panel to show our nav-menu (account switching, etc) 12:24 <JMulholland> will sketch it up ASAP 12:24 <JMulholland> that 3 panel layout would potentialy be for ‘extra wide’ displays 12:25 <faenil> or just desktop :P 12:25 <JMulholland> the most obvious extra wide display I suppose ;-D 12:25 <faenil> :) 12:26 <DanChapman> ok then sounds great. It needs the 3rd panel IMO 12:26 <DanChapman> I should also have a set of use-cases for you by next meeting for in-line replies in the message view and viewing in general. There is quite a few edgecases with it we need to go over 12:27 <popey> feel free to send them over if you have them before the next meeting so we could discuss during the meeting DanChapman 12:27 <JMulholland> I agree, for e.g. 1 panel for mobile, 2 panel for tablets in landscape, 3 panels for desktop etc 12:27 <JMulholland> Sounds good popey & DanChapman :) 12:27 <DanChapman> popey: will do :-) 12:29 <DanChapman> Is there any UX patterns for non interactive in app notification? For instance when dekko loses an imap connection it currently prompts a dialog which requires user input to close it. Which is rather annoying imo 12:30 <popey> DanChapman: stefano did something like android 'toast' notification popups in docviewer 12:30 <DanChapman> I see docviewer has a little toast notification bar along the bottom for imports 12:30 <popey> when you import a document 12:30 <JMulholland> Yes, I believe so 12:30 <DanChapman> :) 12:30 <popey> hah :) 12:31 <JMulholland> we have them already as far as i know, obv. example being adjust volume on the phone 12:31 <JMulholland> here’s a link to the notifications UX spec Paty rfom the design team put together 12:31 <JMulholland> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xDSZ_dnAMAlhgFnnyjJEibaITXjVLp1_pnj_tATNm9I/edit?usp=sharing 12:33 <JMulholland> “Confirmation bubbles” 12:33 <DanChapman> Is there an exposed API for apps to use that? 12:34 <popey> That was the issue stefano had, he couldn't trigger them from the app. 12:34 <JMulholland> Ah… 12:35 <DanChapman> Ah ok, well It's easy enough to fake that confirmation bubble. That will at least keep it consistent with the system 12:36 <popey> might be worth re-using the stuff stefano made tbh 12:37 <popey> ? 12:37 <DanChapman> :-) that works for me as well 12:39 <popey> just thinking we don't want people to get confused by what's a system notification and an app one 12:41 <popey> Ok, anything else to discuss? 12:41 <DanChapman> Nope not for me. 12:43 <JMulholland> nothing here, was just refreshing myself on the notifications spec 12:43 <JMulholland> I think we’ve been talking about non-modal app-sepcific notifications so what we discussed should be fine/ avoid the confussion popey mentioned 12:43 <JMulholland> will take a more thorough look 12:44 <popey> Thanks JMulholland 12:44 <DanChapman> great, thanks :-) 12:44 <JMulholland> thanks DanChapman! I hear you put a video together on your progress with dekko? would love to see it if you’d like to ping it over :D 12:44 <popey> DanChapman: actually, do you have a thought on what you'll do about 1.3 and convergence? 12:44 <popey> hold off updates? 12:45 <popey> Given we're talking some months between now and the converged device. (no firm date, but it's not in the next 3 months or so) 12:45 <DanChapman> JMulholland: sure i'll find the link and send it your way :-) 12:47 <DanChapman> popey: first I will see if qt/qml versioning will help somehow if not then It will probably have to be custom stuff and try and copy the uitk 1.3 apis to make the switch over easier 12:47 <popey> okay. Lets review that periodically. 12:47 <DanChapman> definately :-) 12:49 <popey> Ok, lets wrap. 12:49 <popey> thanks guys 12:49 <popey> #endmeeting