13:01 <popey> #startmeeting Calendar meeting 13:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 23 13:01:56 2015 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 13:01 <meetingology> 13:01 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 13:01 <popey> hows it going? 13:02 <kunal> going fine, how about you 13:02 <popey> great! 13:03 <popey> I see renato has been asking for people to test out his fixes to eds 13:03 <popey> and I think he's pushing for it to land in the next OTA which will be vivid based. 13:03 <kunal> ok 13:05 <popey> I don't know when that'll be, but "soon" 13:05 <popey> we had 3 bugs targetted for this week. 13:05 <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+milestone/2015-04-23 13:06 <popey> JMulholland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1436972 13:06 <popey> Why was that marked invalid? Can you comment? 13:06 <JMulholland> taking a look now 13:07 <JMulholland> I was lead to believe that theres no such thing as an audible reminder that isn’t in some way visible 13:08 <JMulholland> *visual 13:09 <kunal> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1432632 13:09 <JMulholland> so while we do want to show all reminders, there won’t be any cases of ‘audbile’ only reminders (only vsiaul reminders that have an audible part) 13:10 <kunal> I agree with JMulholland 13:11 <popey> ok.ok. 13:11 <JMulholland> Is my understanding correct? if so I’ll update the bug to indicate that *all* reminders should be shown (whether visual only OR visual with audible) 13:11 <popey> I think perhaps we're reading too much into the audible part 13:11 <popey> I think maybe the bug is more "I want to see _all_ reminders" 13:11 <JMulholland> Seems so, the UX fix is straight foreward though Show all reminders" 13:11 <JMulholland> yea 13:12 <JMulholland> will amend and set to fix commited 13:12 <popey> meaning, I want to see the "24 hour before" reminder and the "email 1 hour before" reminder and the "5 mins before" reminder listed? 13:12 <JMulholland> Ah, good point 13:12 <JMulholland> Id say one per event, no? 13:12 <JMulholland> That’s a fairly standard convention AFAIK 13:13 <kunal> as of now we dont support setting more than one reminder 13:13 <popey> Right, but we should? 13:13 <popey> And even if we don't allow the user to _set_ multiple reminders, we should allow them to _see_ all the reminders set elsewhere? 13:14 <kunal> i don't see any reason 13:14 <popey> That's how I understand the bug. 13:14 <kunal> I am not sure, does google calendar (online one) support adding multiple reminder ? 13:14 <kunal> if that, the I guess we should 13:15 <kunal> *if that dose 13:15 <JMulholland> yea just checked 13:15 <JMulholland> google supports adding multiple “notifications” (reminders) 13:15 <JMulholland> via pop-ups or emails 13:16 <JMulholland> up to 5 of them, it looks like 13:16 <kunal> ok, than we should support it too 13:16 <popey> +1 13:16 <popey> So we need design for that :) 13:16 <popey> Back to you JMulholland :) 13:17 <JMulholland> adding it to the list :) 13:17 <kunal> but popey , does our notification system support it ? 13:17 <kunal> as of now there are many issues related to it ? 13:18 <popey> Well, if it doesn't, then we need to file bugs in the components which don't. 13:18 <popey> So indicator-datetime etc. 13:18 <kunal> and from that reminds me, 13:18 <popey> Email notifications won't happen from the phone. 13:18 <kunal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1440111 13:18 <kunal> can you have look at this bug 13:19 <kunal> I added indicator-datetime, but they marked it invalid 13:19 <kunal> so I am not sure who should address that bug 13:19 <popey> hmmm 13:19 <JMulholland> just checked, calendar events are definitely covered in the Notifications UX spec 13:20 <JMulholland> so we’ll need to get that implemented if it hasnt been already 13:21 <popey> yeah, that's a design issue. 13:22 <kunal> and also, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1442240 13:22 <JMulholland> I’ll follow up with the designer who put the notifications spec together and see if they know the dev status 13:23 <JMulholland> kunal: swipe to delete behaviour seen elsewhere should apply here? 13:23 <JMulholland> for 1442240 that is 13:24 <kunal> but that would mean removing google calendar 13:24 <kunal> I mean google account 13:24 <kunal> and not sure if we can remove personal or birthday calendar 13:24 <kunal> BTW I am not sure how we can remove calendar, 13:25 <popey> Yeah. That has to be done in system settings 13:25 <popey> I don't think we can do that from calendar app. 13:25 <kunal> right, I think so 13:25 <popey> and you probably dont want to delete your google account 13:25 <popey> but just flip the switch in the google account to disable calendar sync 13:26 <kunal> we can offer option to lead user to system setting, with some information 13:26 <popey> Right. Not sure the best way to lead someone there from here. 13:26 <popey> I mean, the usual pattern for delete is swipe right 13:26 <kunal> but I think UX should study and provide some input 13:26 <JMulholland> hm, well Id say we wouldnt be removing an account from system settings > accounts. For google for example, we’d be removing it from the calendar list (swipe right) and turning off the calendar sharing in system settings > accounts, if anything. RIght? 13:26 <popey> if we swipe right, tap the trash can icon, and that actually throws you to system settings, that's a bit ugly 13:27 <popey> right 13:27 <popey> but we don't have access to do that from the calendar app 13:27 <popey> you _have_ to open system settings to flip that switch 13:27 <popey> We need to make this process easier 13:27 <JMulholland> better to just remove it from the calendar list and turn it off in system settings >accounts in the background, Id say 13:27 <JMulholland> aha 13:27 <popey> we can't though 13:27 <JMulholland> got you 13:27 <popey> right, we're in sync now :) 13:27 <popey> The fact that there's two lists of calendars is what confuses people 13:28 <popey> one list in system settings -> accounts -> each account 13:28 <popey> and the other in the calendar app 13:28 <popey> we need to streamline this. 13:28 <popey> it was raised in user testing too 13:28 <JMulholland> yea, needs a little more thought 13:28 <popey> can you add a UX task to that bug and give it some thought? 13:29 <JMulholland> will do 13:29 * popey left a comment. 13:29 <popey> thanks JMulholland 13:30 <kunal> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1443040 13:30 <kunal> this bugs, related to indicator, can we remove calendar from affected project ? 13:30 * popey looks 13:31 <popey> done :) 13:31 <kunal> ok :) thanks 13:32 <kunal> JMulholland, 13:32 <kunal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1432640 13:32 <kunal> is this done ? 13:32 <kunal> or Alex is going to provide something ? 13:33 <JMulholland> I’ve asked visual deisgn for some guidance so any highlight colour we use matches the redesign work being done 13:33 <JMulholland> Hoping they can get back to us with a couple of line description 13:33 <JMulholland> I’ll give Alex a prod, it’s not a big task... 13:34 <kunal> ok, I was just thinking should I wait or start working on it 13:35 <popey> thanks JMulholland 13:35 <kunal> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1419001 13:35 <JMulholland> I suspect it will be a line around the current cell or light fill colour, so feel free to start working 13:35 <kunal> do we need to do anything for that bug 13:35 <kunal> ok, JMulholland 13:36 <JMulholland> I just hoped alex could recommend a colour that fits visual designs style nciely 13:36 <kunal> basically, I had one doubt related to this 13:36 <popey> I _do_ get notified 10 mins before 13:36 <popey> pretty sure that's fixed? 13:36 <kunal> we highlight today and then we need to highlight tapped day 13:37 <kunal> so what if we need to highlight today + tapped 13:37 <kunal> if you can address that than I can start working on that 13:38 <kunal> popey, charles commented 13:38 <popey> ah I see 13:39 <popey> for new events in the calendar.. I see 13:39 <popey> sorry, I assumed we were only talking about synced events 13:39 <popey> yes, we should do this, set to 10 mins before by default, same as Google 13:39 <popey> ? 13:40 <popey> Is that something we can do? 13:43 <popey> :( 13:47 <faenil> ouch 13:56 <popey> \o/ 13:56 <popey> heya 13:56 <kunal> looks like I lost connection 13:57 <popey> no worries 13:57 <popey> so for that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1419001 13:57 <kunal> though, I realized it just now 13:57 <popey> is that something we can fix ? 13:58 <popey> (for new events) 13:58 <kunal> we can change 13:58 <kunal> Adding ubuntu-calendar-app as also affected. Its "New Events" page for creating calendar events defaults to "On Event" rather than, say, 15 minutes before. 13:58 <kunal> default time of reminder 13:58 <kunal> as charles suggested 13:58 <popey> right. 13:58 <popey> default for google calendar is 10 mins 13:59 <kunal> ok, then we can try the same 13:59 <popey> so would it make sense for us to have the same? 13:59 <popey> great 14:00 <popey> I targetted it for next week. 14:01 <kunal> ok, 14:01 <popey> Anything else? 14:02 <kunal> no nothing else 14:02 <kunal> I am still trying to fix those AP test, not sure what's wrong 14:02 <kunal> works fine on my machine 14:03 <kunal> but behaves randomly on jenkins 14:03 <kunal> so I will keep working on those and let reminder one bug 14:04 <popey> perhaps balloons can help with AP? 14:04 <kunal> BTW please let me know your input for this 14:04 <kunal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1440111 14:04 <popey> ok 14:04 <kunal> yes, I try once more and if failed will ask for his help 14:05 <kunal> I added some logs, I am hoping to get some useful information 14:05 * balloons reads 14:07 <popey> if you could provide some help or someone can that would be great balloons 14:07 <popey> we're overrunning, so I'll end the meeting here, 14:07 <balloons> kunal, which test / mp? details? 14:08 <kunal> https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/TapToCreateEvent/+merge/254175 14:08 <kunal> https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/WeekNumber/+merge/255078 14:08 <popey> balloons: kunal want to move to #ubuntu-app-devel ? 14:08 <popey> thanks :) 14:08 <popey> #endmeeting