13:02 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko meeting
13:02 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 26 13:02:08 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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13:02 <popey> Hows it going chaps?
13:03 <DanChapman> it's going good. Bit of a mad rush to get an update out to fix some critical bugs
13:03 <DanChapman> on a cool note though http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86476930/Stats%20for%20%22Dekko%20%28Beta%29%22.%20-%20Opera_004.png nice steady growth we have going :-D
13:03 <popey> woah!
13:04 <popey> That's what comes from being the first (only) email client in the store ㋛
13:04 <popey> (also being awesome helps) :)
13:04 <DanChapman> and we have been getting plenty of reviews and they pretty much all of them mention notifations (Aaaaaaaaaaah we know!) :-D
13:05 <popey> heh
13:06 <popey> might be worth putting something in the blurb if you haven't already?
13:06 <popey> the app description in the store that is.
13:06 <popey> "Coming soon:" with a list of things that will be later.
13:06 <DanChapman> popey: good idea i'll do that when i upload the final click
13:06 <popey> no reply to my mail about notifications, will chase it up
13:07 <popey> having the reviews is good leverage actually
13:09 <DanChapman> :-) Right so it's becoming apparent we are going to also need to come up with some user documentation, as I'm getting alot of emails about how to do things. Is there a documentation team or something who might like to help out?
13:09 <popey> good questoin
13:09 <DanChapman> or a ML I can reach out to and see if there are any takers
13:09 <popey> I have a blog post which I'll publish later today, asking for people to help
13:09 <popey> I can add that as a task
13:09 <popey> and yeah, mail the list too, that'll help
13:10 <DanChapman> popey: that would be awesome thanks!
13:10 <popey> documentation discussions usually end up bikeshedding about the best tools to use
13:11 <popey> especially as people want to be able to translate them
13:11 <popey> can get quite bogged down.
13:12 <DanChapman> popey: ahh yeah that sounds troublesome,
13:12 <popey> how about starting a discussion on the list
13:13 <popey> outline what you need, and ask for help.
13:13 <DanChapman> popey: sounds good
13:13 <popey> dpm: balloons do we have a "standard" these days for easily maintainable documentation?
13:14 <balloons> what do you mean?>
13:14 <popey> Thinking "How to use dekko" type of guide
13:14 <popey> translatable, maintainable etc
13:14 <DanChapman> o/ balloons
13:14 <balloons> o/ DanChapman :-)
13:14 <popey> well, google docs, latex, an a million others are options
13:15 <popey> the flip side, is, it should be so easy you don't need a manual :)
13:15 <popey> I never saw a gmail manual
13:15 <popey> Well, there probably are "Idiots Guides" to GMail for the aged.
13:16 <DanChapman> popey: https://support.google.com/mail/?hl=en#topic=3394144 the idiots guide you mention :-)
13:17 <popey> ah okay.
13:17 <popey> ok, so maybe collate the questions that people keep asking.
13:17 <popey> and build a list of them, and crowdsource the answering.
13:17 <DanChapman> But yeah it should be easy enough to not need it. But it's simple things like deleting accounts where we use the swipe to delete. But some don't seem to grasp it just yet
13:18 <popey> gotcha
13:19 <DanChapman> i'll gather a list together over the following couple of weeks and see what sort of questions keep appearing. There's no rush for it just yet (it's not got *that* annoying yet)
13:19 <popey> FWIW the new app looks pretty on mx4
13:19 <popey> ok
13:19 <popey> :)
13:20 <DanChapman> oh yeah you have a mx4 bet it flies along
13:20 <popey> yeah
13:20 * balloons has the mx4, but not the new app :-(
13:20 <popey> lemme get a picture
13:20 <popey> https://dekkoproject.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/3538946/dekko.dekkoproject_0.5-RC_armhf.click?api=v2
13:20 <popey> balloons: ^
13:20 <DanChapman> balloons: https://dekkoproject.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/3538946/dekko.dekkoproject_0.5-RC_armhf.click?api=v2 or wait for it to hit the store later today :-)
13:20 <DanChapman> hah
13:20 <DanChapman> take your pick
13:22 <DanChapman> in the header sections if you swipe to the Deleted section do you think it would be cool to show an "Expunge deleted" at the top of the list. I'll ask gventuri aswell just wanted a general opinion
13:22 <popey> Looking forward to seeing this one in the store, it's really nice
13:23 <DanChapman> I installed the first click I uploaded to the store v0.2 or something. It's amazing how much it's changed
13:23 <popey> :)
13:23 <DanChapman> boren, what's your thoughts on the Expunge in the deleted section?
13:26 <popey> hmm, on my krillin, the app is really slow.
13:26 <popey> i have a _lot_ of mail in my ibox
13:26 <boren> DanChapman: As long as the user knows what expunge means. Personally, as long as the message disappear, I am OK with both way.
13:27 <popey> its frozen up a couple of times.
13:27 <balloons> DanChapman, ahh if it's going in today, I'll let the phone update itself
13:27 <popey> runs out of memory too
13:28 <popey> .oO( I should delete some email)
13:28 <DanChapman> popey: mail cout will never be the issue, could it be the libravatar & gravatar requests
13:28 <DanChapman> at the moment if we havn't got it cached it will request it again if you bring a message back into view. Hmm let's try a click with the gravatar disabled
13:29 <popey> getting a bunch of "Not found" on gravatar
13:29 <popey> file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/dekko.dekkoproject/0.5-RC/qml/Components/CircleGravatar.qml:37:5: QML QQuickImage: Error downloading http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/636158037f4dc193662df41748d3ffe6.jpg?r=g&s=80&d=404 - server replied: Not Found
13:30 <DanChapman> yeah that's the ones. Unable to silence that noise at the moment but it doesn't seem to hurt on mako
13:30 <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.cache/upstart$ grep gravatar application-click-dekko.dekkoproject_dekko_0.5-RC.log | grep 404 | wc -l
13:30 <popey> 45
13:30 <popey> its eating quite a bit of CPU
13:30 <popey> dunno if that's my email or what
13:31 <popey> 13206 phablet   20   0  306224  70336  26240 R  99.5  7.1   2:24.37 dekko
13:31 <DanChapman> how many accounts do you have running?
13:31 <popey> only one i think
13:31 <popey> has 10K email in my inbox
13:32 <popey> lemme archive all my email
13:32 <popey> yes, only one account
13:32 <popey> man this is pretty
13:33 <DanChapman> boren, do you think the QNAMFactory requests with all the gravatar requests could be the cause of the memory fill? Like how quickly is the engine destroying them
13:34 <DanChapman> or it's leaking somewhere. But i don't get it on mako
13:34 <popey> ok, just archived _all_ my email.
13:34 <popey> its super fast now :)
13:34 <popey> and no gravatar spam in the logs
13:35 <DanChapman> Right I will have to monitor that for a bit.
13:36 <boren> DanChapman: It should just fetch limited emails instead of 10k mails in the inbox. I think it is just the program populating all 10k mails' metadata.
13:37 <boren> DanChapman: I mean for the gravatar should not be too much of a problem as there is only limited fetch at one time.
13:38 <popey> it didnt get far, and wasn't spamming that badly
13:38 <popey> it only got as far as 150 failed gravatar requests
13:39 * DanChapman wishes he had a krillin to test these things out
13:40 <DanChapman> popey: so was it just the population of the msg list that did was slow? or the whole app in general
13:40 <popey> DanChapman: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
13:40 <DanChapman> *that was slow
13:40 <popey> The whole app was slow
13:40 <popey> the bouncer at the top froze
13:40 <popey> it would respond slowly
13:42 <DanChapman> ok, i'll look into why it's slowing down.
13:42 <DanChapman> and thanks for the link :-D
13:42 <popey> np :)
13:43 <popey> Ok, anything else to discuss?
13:44 <DanChapman> no not atm for me
13:44 <boren> Not for me
13:44 <popey> Awesome, thanks chaps!
13:44 <DanChapman> great thanks guys.
13:44 <popey> Looking forward to the upload
13:44 <popey> #endmeeting