13:01 <popey> #startmeeting dekko meeting
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13:02 <popey> no boren?
13:02 <DanChapman> Did you get that click to run yesterday?
13:02 <DanChapman> errrm no looks like he is away atm.
13:02 <popey> no, not yet, my vivid device has been doing automated testing
13:02 <popey> ok
13:02 <popey> and my vivid device gets wiped now and then so it's not ideal for testing things like this where I have to go through signing in and stuff
13:03 <DanChapman> you should drop the config file from you rtm device into ~/.config/dekko.dekkoproject and it will just work :-) I gave up keep signing in so i just do that
13:04 <popey> oh!
13:04 <popey> that's handy
13:04 <popey> thanks
13:04 <gventuri> hi
13:04 <popey> hey gventuri
13:04 <DanChapman> so things are progressing quite nicely
13:04 <DanChapman> hey gventuri
13:04 <DanChapman> o/
13:04 <gventuri> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/ubuntu-trojita
13:04 <gventuri> anyone?
13:04 <popey> i can't right now gventuri, broken laptop
13:05 <DanChapman> broken mic for me :-(
13:05 <gventuri> nice
13:05 <gventuri> popey: sometimes I do hangouts on my tablet it works pretty well
13:05 <popey> yeah, good point
13:06 <DanChapman> Ohh, that's a good idea. WIll have to dust off my grouper
13:06 <popey> So what's the state of things right now?
13:07 <DanChapman> so for the sake of the log forwarding messages just landed. THat's forward as attachment which includes a .eml file in the message
13:07 <DanChapman> forward inline there isn't much in terms of specifications for that so will probably have to dig around thunderbird or something
13:08 <popey> Forward inline is effectively reply inline with a blank To: isn't it?
13:09 <DanChapman> The message list view is coming along nicely with new UI changes. Feel a bit bad were spanking gravatar for every message so we need to optimize that. We do cache images we found but we get more 404's than finds
13:09 <DanChapman> popey: well for a forward you need to keep the original message intact including all it's headers
13:09 <popey> true
13:09 <DanChapman> a reply you just grab Reply To, From and Body
13:10 <popey> well, do you need the headers?
13:10 <popey> need to check if there's a spec for this :)
13:11 <DanChapman> popey: this is where it's kind of unclear, so yeah need to dig around to find more info on it
13:11 <popey> DanChapman: did you pass the click to gventuri to try?
13:11 <gventuri> popey: yeah I tried it yesterday and I showed i to a few people here
13:12 <popey> ok, any feedback?
13:12 <DanChapman> popey: sure did, and sent an i386 to tiheum to try. Hope he had better luck with the emulator than i did though
13:12 <gventuri> popey: Dekko is the first app that is using the new design for the header
13:12 <popey> yeah.
13:12 <gventuri> popey: whihc is great
13:12 <gventuri> popey: I had some feedback about the indeterminate progress bar
13:13 <gventuri> popey: I filed a few bugs this week under Dekko
13:14 <popey> ok
13:14 <popey> I had some feedback from people who have seen the screenshot.
13:14 <popey> not tested the app though.
13:14 <DanChapman> obviously we will change over to the new sdk header once that's implemented/released.
13:14 <popey> General feeling was it's very Android Material like.
13:16 <gventuri> popey: there are similiarities yes. But bear in mind they copied our design principles based on paper and layering, not viceversa
13:16 <popey> :)
13:16 <popey> ok
13:16 <DanChapman> :-)
13:16 <gventuri> popey: we actually pushed these design principles at leaast 3 years ago
13:17 <gventuri> popey: if you look at the 3 major OSs on mobile, they are starting to converge
13:17 <gventuri> popey: in terms of design
13:17 <popey> Right, okay.
13:18 <popey> DanChapman: so you're planning on only targetting Vivid now, right?
13:18 <popey> no more updates for 14.10?
13:18 <popey> (or rtm)
13:19 <DanChapman> popey: do you know of any html5 guru's who would be able to nock up a template based on the message view mockup? I don't mind doing it if I have to just might take me longer :-)
13:19 <popey> Yes, daker might be able to help there. he's the community html5 guru
13:20 <DanChapman> popey: yeah we have to target vivid for these UI changes. We could probably backport the message forwarding to rtm
13:20 <popey> No, don't.
13:20 <DanChapman> hah ok then
13:20 <popey> I think it's not worth the effort.
13:20 <DanChapman> cool
13:20 <popey> We will be switching to vivid within weeks. lets move forward not back
13:21 <popey> people on RTM will get an OTA update to vivid
13:21 <popey> (once davmor2 tests that) :D
13:21 <DanChapman> ok then that's great
13:21 <popey> Ok, do you have any questions for gventuri that you haven't already had sorted elsewhere?
13:22 <DanChapman> Errrm not atm. I'll get his recommendations implemented before i bother him again :-p
13:22 <gventuri> popey: DanChapman: on a side note...
13:23 <gventuri> ... I'm leaving Canonical at the end of next week. But I would still like to support DanChapman in finishing the email app
13:23 <popey> :(
13:23 <popey> (also :) )
13:23 <popey> That would be really helpful, thank you gventuri
13:23 <gventuri> I'm going to ask the mamagement here if I can keep the phone it's going to help me testing the clicks
13:24 <DanChapman> :-( but thanks that would be amazing, your help is really appreciated.
13:24 <DanChapman> :-)
13:24 <gventuri> sure!
13:24 <popey> +1
13:24 <gventuri> I'll change my launchpad address to my private one
13:24 <gventuri> before leaving
13:24 <dpm> gventuri, thanks a lot for your help in core apps, you'll be missed!
13:24 <gventuri> anyway it is very easy giorgio.venturi@gmail.com
13:25 * dpm hugs gventuri
13:25 <gventuri> thanks dpm
13:25 <gventuri> I'm not leaving the cyberspace, so I'll be happy to help from time to time
13:25 <popey> thank you.
13:25 <popey> DanChapman: on the subject of vivid...
13:26 <popey> do you have a minimum viable product that you'd like to see done before we replace dekko with the new version?
13:26 <popey> right now we have an old dekko, and dekko (beta) in the store, right?
13:26 <popey> gventuri: question applies to you too ^
13:26 <DanChapman> no just dekko (beta) in the store. bhdouglass.blah still shows the old dekko. not sure why
13:27 <popey> oh
13:28 <DanChapman> popey: so i'd want the UI changes complete and better settings layouts. That's the initial goal for a change over candidate imo
13:28 <DanChapman> popey: i unpublished the old dekko app. It's still in my apps though, do i need to fully "delete it forever"
13:29 <popey> ok, thats good
13:29 <DanChapman> i'd lose my stats if i do that though
13:29 <popey> no, dont delete it
13:29 <popey> you can replace it later when you guys feel it's matured enough
13:29 <popey> Ok, any other things to discuss? Any blockers?
13:30 <gventuri> DanChapman: when do you need the settings for?
13:30 <DanChapman> popey no blockers atm.
13:31 <DanChapman> gventuri: whenever you have some time to take a look at them would be great. I wouldn't say it's "urgent" atm :-)
13:32 <gventuri> DanChapman: OK
13:32 <DanChapman> gventuri: thanks!!
13:32 <gventuri> DanChapman: popey: dpm: let's put it this way: I'll be the first UX community designer
13:32 <DanChapman> \o/
13:33 <popey> hah
13:34 <dpm> yay
13:34 <popey> Ok, lets wrap up, you know where we are if you need us DanChapman :)
13:34 <DanChapman> sure thing, thanks guys!
13:34 <popey> #endmeeting