13:04 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko meeting
13:04 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 29 13:04:18 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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13:04 <popey> How are things going?
13:04 <DanChapman> ok cool i'll ping him later then
13:04 <DanChapman> Stressful :-D rather massive change needed for the message view.
13:05 <DanChapman> apart from that progress is good. We have the new icons now and they look sweet :-)
13:05 <popey> Yeah, I liked the look of your mockup
13:05 <popey> oh!
13:05 <popey> that's awesome
13:05 <popey> from mattheiu?
13:06 <DanChapman> yeah he emailed me a load of them as he said it's a real pain to get them released on launchpad
13:07 <DanChapman> So I plan to get a click done by tomorrow with these new message vie wchanges but i will need some heavy testing done on it, could you spread a message round once it is ready?
13:08 <DanChapman> But i don't want it to be a released version in the store as there will be bugs in it that i havn't found yet
13:09 <popey> I certainly can.
13:09 <popey> you could put a "beta" label on it ㋛
13:11 <popey> We could put it on my peopole.canonical.com space and I can spam it about
13:11 <popey> to get wider testing
13:11 <popey> as we did with Music and friends?
13:11 <popey> Would that be suitable?
13:11 <DanChapman> popey: yeah that sounds like a good idea
13:12 <DanChapman> hey boren
13:12 <boren> Hi DanChapman
13:12 <popey> heya
13:13 <popey> when do you think you'll have a click?
13:13 <popey> I'll be offline most of tomorrow - monday as I'll be at fosdem
13:13 <DanChapman> popey: tomorrow afternoon i would say. Ahh ok so that's a bit awkward :-)
13:14 <popey> no, it's fine.
13:14 <popey> if you ping me a link on irc I will send a mail when I get there.
13:14 <DanChapman> Ok great i'll do that then
13:15 <popey> Be good to draw attention to the differences between it and the one in the store.
13:15 <popey> things for users to look out for.
13:15 <DanChapman> boren, how is the composer coming along?
13:16 <DanChapman> Yes there is quite a difference. Will be good to get feedback on it
13:17 <boren> DanChapman: I have almost finished working on attachment button, simple address hint. And I am thinking about implementing switching identities next
13:19 <DanChapman> boren, awesome do you think you could get the attachments and address hints up for review before tomorrow afternoon? be good to get that in
13:20 <boren> DanChapman: yes, I am working on it now.
13:20 <DanChapman> boren nice one!
13:21 <DanChapman> popey: what framework should we be targeting at the moment still ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml? or 15.04?
13:21 <popey> yes, 14.10
13:21 <DanChapman> cool
13:21 <popey> krillin will ship (next week - eek) with 14.10
13:21 <DanChapman> thanks
13:21 <popey> we will look to move to vivid really quickly
13:21 <popey> maybe as soon as march
13:22 <DanChapman> oh wow! ok that is quick
13:23 <popey> so next friday some people will get devices, then soon after they will be available to buy online
13:23 <DanChapman> popey: and did you say public availability is a couple of weeks after the launch event
13:23 <popey> yeah
13:23 <popey> something like that
13:23 <DanChapman> coolio
13:23 * DanChapman needs to hide some money from the misses so he can buy one
13:23 <popey> hahah
13:24 <popey> you have a nexus 4 though, right?
13:24 <DanChapman> yeah got nexus 4
13:24 <boren> Ship US?
13:24 <popey> I don't know boren
13:25 <popey> If they don't then I imagine people will start asking favours of us :)
13:25 <DanChapman> :-)
13:26 <boren> I wish I am in Europe
13:27 <DanChapman> Right so i was having some issues the other day trying to work out application state handling, so when the app goes into the background do we just flick it into offline mode, if so that causes havoc bringing and back to the front and reconnecting as it reset all the models. But if we don't set it offline then you get the same kind of effect but with loads of network error dialogs
13:28 <DanChapman> s/bringing and back/bringing it back
13:29 <popey> Are you able to detect the fact that you've been suspended?
13:29 <popey> (I don't know if there's an API for that, or some signal)
13:30 <boren> Will we have a off-line mode the application is running?
13:30 <boren> Will we have a off-line mode when the application is running?
13:32 <DanChapman> popey: yes you have a very brief period maybe 1 second at most to save your state before you get suspended. So that's where i was trying to flick it into offline mode. But because we default to the inbox view now when bringing the app back forward and reconnecting the models get reset and view goes blank. So do we just leave it on-line supress and errors on re-activation/re-connect or do we toggle offline online, either way we will
13:32 <DanChapman> end up with a black msglist
13:32 <DanChapman> boren, i have a patch for that here, i thought i had pushed it to launchpad
13:33 <DanChapman> man my typing sucks today. New keyboard for christmas still not used to it
13:34 <popey> should you maybe delay refreshing the models until the user triggers it with pull-down refresh maybe?
13:35 <popey> or is that out of your control?
13:37 <DanChapman> It's something i havn't yet been able to overcome. As all message counts get invalidated on each new connection which then in turn pulls in all new message headers. It's a real pain. I wonder if we can get a signal to the UI to say this models about to dissapear you need to get ready to reload this page or something.
13:38 <popey> Might be worth bringing this up on the phone mailing list
13:38 <popey> I can't imagine you're the only one with this problem.
13:39 <DanChapman> ok i'll d that then, it would be ok if we could run the core as a daemon or something but we just can't with confinement :-(
13:40 <popey> yeah, this needs raising on the list.
13:41 <DanChapman> okeydoke, i'll type one up this afternoon
13:41 <popey> Magic.
13:41 <popey> I'll poke people to reply if you don't get one
13:41 <DanChapman> Forbidden per policy:  QUrl( "trojita-imap:///0/1" ) << boren you seen that before? is it oxide or QNAM?
13:41 <DanChapman> popey: excellent thanks!
13:42 <DanChapman> popey: who's the go to guy for the html sdk? I have some parts i need help with
13:44 <DanChapman> boren ahh found it. it's in MspartNetAccessManager
13:44 <boren> DanChapman: you missed the "msg" host
13:44 <popey> DanChapman: dbarth I think.
13:44 <DanChapman> ahh so i did :-D
13:44 <popey> he's around on irc
13:45 <DanChapman> popey: ok great thanks
13:45 <popey> Ok, anything else?
13:46 <DanChapman> Not from me. Just got to crack on atm
13:46 <popey> :)
13:47 <boren> No from me
13:47 <DanChapman> great so i will give you a ping tomorrow with a click to share round. Do you need the manifests changing to people.canonical.com in the click?
13:48 <DanChapman> oh it like people.ubuntu.com
13:48 <DanChapman> ignore that
13:48 <popey> no
13:48 <popey> just make a valid click file
13:48 <popey> I will put it on my people.canonical.com web space that's all
13:48 <popey> so people can get it easily
13:48 <popey> (we have some people who can't get at shared files on Google drive for example)
13:49 <DanChapman> sure thing
13:50 <popey> Excellent. Thanks chaps.
13:50 <popey> #endmeeting