18:01 <popey> #startmeeting Ubuntu Weather meeting
18:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jul 31 18:01:42 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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18:02 <popey> to save me some typing, click this http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2014/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2014-07-31-11.10.log.html#l-137
18:02 <popey> read from that line to 11:40 - just a bit of info about handsets
18:02 <m-b-o> alright
18:02 <m-b-o> you look here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1326918
18:02 <m-b-o> :)
18:02 <popey> heh
18:03 <popey> ah
18:05 <m-b-o> ok, so about this rtm branch for the weather app
18:05 <m-b-o> does this mean, this branch has to be maintained for every device? or ar click updates possible afterwards?
18:06 <m-b-o> for every device?
18:06 <popey> I don't know actually, dpm what were you thinking about that?
18:06 <popey> we haven't discussed this
18:07 <dpm> m-b-o, I've not looked at the details yet, but I wanted to send a heads up to everyone, as I wasn't sure everyone knew about the plans to branch off
18:07 <m-b-o> okay
18:08 <popey> we can't have separate clicks, the store doesn't support that
18:08 <m-b-o> but the app should run on all devices without modifications, or not?
18:10 <popey> it should, or we have a bad idea about convergence! :D
18:10 <dpm> m-b-o, in principle, yes, but in the future we might have devices with different frameworks (and by then probably the store will support that)
18:10 <m-b-o> ah, I understand
18:10 <dpm> in any case, one thing to realise is that this is our first ever release to a device, so things are a bit in flux
18:10 <dpm> as we're trying to figure out a lot of stuff
18:11 <m-b-o> okay
18:11 <popey> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1326918
18:11 <popey> could be a problem
18:11 <m-b-o> clock uses geonmaes too
18:12 <popey> we mentioned geonames to #is and elmo suggested we use the canonical geoip service
18:12 * dpm reads the ticket
18:12 <popey> to use a lot of api calls we'd have to pay geonames..
18:14 <dpm> m-b-o, could we get that info from the TWC API?
18:14 <m-b-o> not in taht manner
18:15 <m-b-o> and I remember, it was a requirement to get more info about locations
18:15 * nik90 looks intently since he needs it for the new clock app as well
18:15 <m-b-o> and tht it should be somehow in line with the clock app
18:16 <nik90> popey: is there some place where we can read the different types of calls that we can make?
18:16 <dpm> m-b-o, good point. I think we might want to review the requirements. Would you mind adding exactly which fields are currently missing from the Ubuntu geoname service and that the Weather app requires?
18:16 <nik90> http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/ doesn't seem to load for me
18:17 <dpm> nik90, try http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=Farnborough&release=utopic
18:17 <popey> you have to pass it parameter
18:17 <popey> it doesn't respond to blank requests
18:17 <m-b-o> http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=Farnborough&release=utopic
18:17 <popey> i know of no documentation
18:17 <popey> other than whats in the ubiquity source
18:17 <nik90> dpm: that works, but it doesn't have all the info the clock app needs like the timezoneID for instance.
18:17 <m-b-o> to compare: http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=Farnborough&release=utopic
18:17 <m-b-o> and http://api.geonames.org/searchJSON?style=full&username=uweatherdev&name_startsWith=Farnbor&maxRows=25&featureClass=P
18:18 <m-b-o> we're actuall using name_startsWith for predictive search
18:19 <dpm> m-b-o, right, yes, I can see there is more output on the second, but I think we need the exact data that Weather/Clock would potentially need if we were to switch to geoname-lookup.u.c
18:19 <dpm> we could investigate if we can add that data to g-l.u.c
18:19 <m-b-o> dpm: I'll add a comment with the details needed from the ubuntu geoname service
18:19 <dpm> perfect, thanks m-b-o!
18:19 <nik90> I will mark clock app as affected to that bug report and add what is required by the clock app
18:19 <popey> great
18:20 <popey> will follow up with IS to see who owns it and whether it can be extended
18:20 <dpm> popey, do you know who the owner of g-l.u.c is? We might want to ask about the feasibility of providing more info in the output
18:20 <popey> ☻
18:20 <dpm> ok, yeah, so what you just said ;)
18:21 <popey> the other thing of note for weather is the toolbar
18:21 <m-b-o> yes, saw the eamil
18:21 <popey> m-b-o: did you see the mail from timp about deprecating ..
18:21 <popey> ok, good
18:21 <m-b-o> I'll have a look onthat PageHeader Conpoment mentioned in the mail
18:22 <m-b-o> if the icons can be customed, we shoudl be safe
18:22 <popey> great
18:22 <popey> thanks
18:22 <m-b-o> customized
18:22 <m-b-o> I
18:22 <m-b-o> 've tried to replace the Sheets with Pages
18:22 <m-b-o> but with no success
18:22 <m-b-o> so far
18:23 <m-b-o> I'm afraid, the dynamic building of the Tabs should be refactored first,
18:24 <m-b-o> so in the nearest future we have to live with sheets
18:25 <popey> ok.
18:26 <popey> Well. In other interesting / good / related news.
18:26 <popey> I'm just looking at the design team project plan, and forsee a weather app redeisn on the cards
18:26 <popey> starting next week for two weeks.
18:26 <popey> I will find out who's working on that and get them aligned with you.
18:27 <m-b-o> oh, ok
18:27 <popey> assuming it's weather app redesign - it just says "weather" - could mean weather scope..
18:27 <popey> dpm: do you know?
18:27 <popey> I'll ping John a mail to find out the details and let you know m-b-o
18:27 <m-b-o> thanks!
18:28 <popey> np
18:28 <dpm> popey, I don't, I saw that too, and I meant to ask John too. My hunch is that it means the app
18:28 <popey> ok, mail sent, cc'ed you dpm
18:28 <dpm> great, thanks
18:29 <m-b-o> so a hangout about the new design, when it's ready would be cool
18:29 <popey> agreed!
18:29 <popey> i think the close working of nik90 with the designer has worked well, right nik90 ?
18:29 <popey> for the clock reboot
18:29 <popey> mind you he had a head start getting a presentation in Malta
18:30 <popey> ok. anything else?
18:31 <m-b-o> nope, nothing I can remember :)
18:31 <m-b-o> oh, one question:
18:32 <m-b-o> assuming buying a 10" tablet. would a nexus 10 still something usefull in, lets say, 6 mopnths?
18:32 <m-b-o> months?
18:33 <nik90> popey: agreed +100
18:33 <popey> hmmmm
18:33 <popey> i couldn't say
18:33 <popey> honestly.
18:33 <popey> i know we have a bunch of nexus 10's but we haven't done a lot of tablet related work recently
18:33 <popey> it's coming soon though, with shell rotation and tablet ui updates after rtm
18:34 <popey> but when that all kicks in I dont know if we'll re-evaluate the devices we're using
18:34 <m-b-o> yeah, I'm tempted to buy a 10" finally. But I can wait
18:34 <popey> what do you want to use it for? content consumption or development?
18:34 <popey> for content consumption I'd say buy an ipad ☻
18:35 <m-b-o> not in my household :)
18:35 <popey> heh
18:35 <popey> That's the spirit!
18:35 <m-b-o> hehe
18:35 <dpm> nice one :)
18:35 <popey> So in short, I don't know. Ask me again before christmas
18:36 <m-b-o> this legions of windows tablet should get freed
18:36 <m-b-o> I'll
18:36 <popey> yeah
18:36 <popey> ok, shall we wrap up?
18:37 <m-b-o> yes
18:37 <popey> great, thanks m-b-o as always
18:37 <popey> #endmeeting