11:12 <popey> #startmeeting music app meeting
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11:13 <ahayzen> https://code.launchpad.net/music-app/+activereviews https://trello.com/b/Ie2rAS3W/core-apps-management
11:13 <popey> First thing I wanted to mention was that Music is one of the apps we (community team) are super focussed on.
11:13 <popey> and with only a few weeks until "beta freeze" for phone we need to get things finished off so we can do final testing
11:14 <popey> thanks ahayzen
11:14 <ahayzen> super focused...in terms of testing? or missing features? or?
11:14 <popey> In terms of less of our time is spent on other apps.
11:14 <popey> for example some of the apps are considered 'done' (bugs aside)
11:14 <vthompson> So I assume beta freeze would be an image drop to the manufacturers?
11:15 <popey> but music (and calendar) are two of the apps which have features yet to land
11:15 <popey> most of the other apps don't have that
11:15 <popey> hence the focus ☻
11:15 <ahayzen> hah ok :) i've noticed the bug velocity has increased a bit recently
11:15 <popey> it's focus in a good way
11:15 <ahayzen> awesome
11:15 <popey> beta freeze is when we can't really land new features, it's bug fixes all the way
11:15 <popey> image will go to manufacturers at end of august
11:15 <vthompson> So other than specifically content-hub, what else in terms of features are sought for the beta-freeze
11:16 <popey> we already have devices, and are sending more of them out to people inside the company for more wider testing
11:16 <ahayzen> when is beta-freeze?
11:16 <popey> start of august
11:16 <ahayzen> ok
11:17 <ahayzen> vthompson, i assume we want searching... and possibly listitem-actions before beta freeze as well?
11:17 <popey> Of course we can fix things inside the music app which need it
11:17 <popey> yes ahayzen
11:17 <vthompson> That'd be my assumption
11:17 <popey> but anything which requires additional features or fixes in the platform components (like content hub) needs to land asap
11:17 <ahayzen> yeah because we are a click.... so we need everything that we need to land upstream before that date
11:18 <ahayzen> ok so these are the ones i would push tim to do...
11:18 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1341814
11:18 <vthompson> IMO that means the content hub integration, media-hub fix for seeking, ms2 update for any content-hub needs, and possibly an SDK fix for both searching and for a panel issue we have
11:18 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1336563
11:19 <vthompson> Yep, those are the 2 SDK bugs
11:19 <ahayzen> vthompson, IIRC jim said he would be working on media-hub things hopefully next week (to get the backgroundplaylists done as well)
11:19 <ahayzen> we badly need ^^ to land
11:20 <vthompson> ahayzen, I hope we have time to let Jim patch up any issues we might find after it lands
11:20 <ahayzen> ms2 we need the streaming mp to land https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/mediascanner2/streaming-model/+merge/226249 ... and we need that helper they propose to write to be QML
11:20 <vthompson> because the background playlists, while seemingly seamless, might have issues
11:21 <ahayzen> popey, beta-freeze is like FF so 'fixes' can land but not new features after...or am i missunderstanding?
11:21 <popey> yes
11:21 <popey> beta should be bug free of course ㋛
11:21 <ahayzen> <jhodapp> I'm trying to finish up audio recording this week since feature freeze is Friday
11:21 <ahayzen> <jhodapp> and then I can start on that next week is what I'm thinking as a bug fix
11:21 <vthompson> and that includes packages like media-hub, ms2, etc?
11:21 <popey> yes
11:21 <ahayzen> 'that' being background playlists
11:23 <vthompson> of the remaining MPs in review, maybe we should put the now playing/queue split on the back burner?
11:23 <ahayzen> ok so what we have left that we 'want' to land in terms of features...
11:23 <ahayzen> - searching, - listitem actions, - background playlists
11:23 <ahayzen> vthompson, +1 yeah probably best to leave that
11:23 <ahayzen> oh and i've been playing about with bottom edge
11:23 <ahayzen> then any addition general fixes
11:24 <ahayzen> then for searching we need that SDK fix
11:24 <ahayzen> listitem actions is still WIP and we need to confirm design
11:24 <vthompson> if we could get bottom edge in that would be nice. Also Jamie filed a bug for fast scroll in the Songs tab, IMO we should try to integrate that as well
11:24 <ahayzen> background playlists we need to write once we know what it will look like
11:24 <ahayzen> and content-hub!
11:25 <ahayzen> vthompson, oh yeah there was a discussion on irc about that nik wanted to add it to the clock as well
11:25 <popey> the fast scroll that you see in contacts app?
11:25 <vthompson> ah for the list of cities
11:25 <ahayzen> vthompson, it should hopefully be quite simple to do
11:25 <vthompson> yep
11:25 <popey> ok
11:25 <vthompson> popey, yep
11:25 <ahayzen> yeah cities and popey yes
11:25 <vthompson> it looks very simple to integrate, I had a look last night
11:25 <ahayzen> :)
11:26 <ahayzen> even if we just had it on the Tracks
11:26 <vthompson> I'd like it on Artists as well
11:26 <ahayzen> yeah ideally in the same places u can search
11:26 <ahayzen> artists/albums/songs
11:27 <vthompson> Albums would be more difficult probably. But that might just be an orientation thing
11:27 <ahayzen> oh yeah
11:27 <ahayzen> artists/songs then
11:27 <ahayzen> popey, ^^ where do u think for fast scroll?
11:27 <popey> depends how big your music collection is
11:27 <popey> ☻
11:27 <ahayzen> hah
11:28 <popey> so not playlists, but album & artist certainly
11:28 <vthompson> I'd like albums as well, but we kind of have a space limitation at the bottom of the device on that tab
11:28 <popey> s/artist/songs/
11:28 <ahayzen> popey, album goes horizontally
11:28 <popey> oh of course.
11:28 <ahayzen> so artists/songs
11:28 <popey> yes
11:29 <ahayzen> if we land searching u'll be able to search ur albums anyway
11:29 <popey> However, these I think are much lower priority than content-hub and ms2 related work.?
11:29 <vthompson> we could add and underlay on the fastscroll to do it ontop of the bottom of the albums tab, but we should get the other 2 tabs working first
11:29 <ahayzen> yep content-hub needs badly doing
11:29 <ahayzen> popey, and even bottom edge maybe?
11:29 <vthompson> yea, but we might be waiting for the ms2 stuff to be finalized and that impacts content-hub
11:30 <ahayzen> yeah we are blocked wth content-hub
11:30 <ahayzen> popey, is Jouni likely to reply quickest for confirmation of the listitem actons?
11:30 <popey> yes
11:30 <ahayzen> vthompson, is the only issue left with that the background disappearing too fast?
11:31 <ahayzen> (the labels i fixed last night)
11:31 <vthompson> ahayzen, I believe so, aside from any design/SDK assumptions we might be making
11:31 <ahayzen> popey, ok i'll try and mail him for confirmation tonight
11:31 <popey> whats the question?
11:31 <popey> we can ask him now ☻
11:31 <ahayzen> popey, the sliding
11:32 <ahayzen> popey, so should the listitem's actions be 'revealed' or 'bound' to the item
11:32 <vthompson> Can we just get that sorted in person during the hangout for the new design?
11:32 <vthompson> probably easier to describe that way
11:32 <popey> either jouni or ben should be able to answer that
11:32 <popey> its a simple fix once you know the answer, right?
11:33 <ahayzen> popey, erm 'simple' ish...bit of logic changes but it should be ok...i'm gonna do a final refactor tonight which should make it easier to swap
11:33 <popey> ok
11:34 <ahayzen> i've gone the other way...so it should just be reverting my changes lol
11:34 <vthompson> Could we get this little MP reviewed? https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/consistent-icons/+merge/226597
11:34 <ahayzen> vthompson, yep
11:34 <ahayzen> vthompson, and what was our decision on https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/fix-playlist-keyboard/+merge/226402
11:34 <vthompson> The main thing I'd like input on is which icon makes sense for "queue" and which makes sense for "playlist"
11:35 <popey> ahayzen: which one did you go for?
11:35 <ahayzen> vthompson, ok i'll check that out tonight
11:35 <popey> bound or uncovered?
11:35 <ahayzen> popey, uncovered at the moment as that is what the design spec implies
11:35 <vthompson> ahayzen, if some of those keyboard fixes won't land by RTM I'd like to land that workaround. but otherwise we can ignore the keyboard issue
11:35 <popey> yes, i think thats right
11:35 <popey> ← not a designer
11:35 <ahayzen> vthompson, surely they will land before rtm... i had that bug when sending a text the other day really annoying
11:36 <vthompson> I'll mark the keyboard MP as WIP. If it gets close to RTM and it isn't resolved we can merge it
11:36 <ahayzen> yep agreed
11:37 <ahayzen> popey, basically a mash up of these two bugs upstream https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1324955 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1305999
11:37 <ahayzen> popey, so if you are typing with autocomplete the text isn't committed until u press space or enter...so if the text is still purple when you hit a 'save' or 'send' button that word isn't actually in the box
11:38 <popey> should music even use autocomplete?
11:38 <popey> i would switch it off
11:38 <ahayzen> popey, for creating playlist names...we are unsure
11:38 <popey> yes, off all the time in music app imo
11:38 <vthompson> that was my idea as well, popey, but if the word gets committed to the box autocomplete isn't too bad
11:38 <ahayzen> agreed to both! lol
11:38 <vthompson> if my playlist is called "running" it might be nice to have it suggested to me
11:39 <vthompson> as I type
11:39 <ahayzen> yep
11:39 <popey> hm
11:39 <popey> how often do you create playlists?
11:39 <vthompson> me? never
11:39 <ahayzen> i don't much but i know others use it alot
11:39 <popey> I mean, I can understand it for creating content in sms and email
11:39 <popey> but for this, it seems unnecessary
11:40 <ahayzen> hmmm maybe disable predictive for now until it is fixed upstream then reeval?
11:40 <vthompson> ahayzen, I could agree to that.
11:40 <popey> i would use the hints to turn it all off for now, yes.
11:40 <ahayzen> ok
11:40 <vthompson> I also think that predictive is kinda garbage right now... so I'd like to have that be sufficient prior to using it
11:40 <vthompson> marking as ready for review then
11:41 <popey> +1
11:41 <ahayzen> cool i'll approve thatwhen i get back
11:42 <ahayzen> ok so i'll fix listitem actions tonight, continue working on bottom edge
11:42 <ahayzen> searching and content-hub are blocked upstream
11:42 <vthompson> the fix for listitems is just refactor right?
11:42 <ahayzen> what was our decision on asking design about listitem actions
11:42 <vthompson> I just say we ask during the new design hangout.
11:42 <ahayzen> vthompson, yeah now we are using the default property i think it could be simpler
11:43 <vthompson> k
11:43 <ahayzen> or 'less hacky' :)
11:44 <vthompson> I had added Zsombor as a reviewer for the listitem-action MP. I think he should also concur with our direction being similar to the direction the SDK team is taking
11:44 <popey> he's still afk on vacation right?
11:44 <vthompson> If design decides to change the behavior, maybe we'll still leave it as-is if that's not what the SDK will be delivering
11:44 <vthompson> oh I had no idea
11:45 <ahayzen> hah
11:45 <ahayzen> yeah i suppose we could leave as is then just migrate to sdk when that lands
11:46 <ahayzen> (most likely post rtm)
11:46 <popey> yeah
11:46 <ahayzen> so is there anything else we need todo?
11:47 <popey> I think that's sufficient!
11:47 <vthompson> I wanted to poke the hornets nest back when we had more time to change the design, but we really don't have that luxury now
11:47 <ahayzen> vthompson, i think we need to investigate statesaver || sql for playlists & recent
11:47 <popey> Now, I'm on holiday next week, so dpm, mhall119 and balloons can of course help should you need it when I'm not around.
11:47 <ahayzen> as we have some bugs in playlists atm :/
11:47 <vthompson> ahayzen, actually statesaver is currently only used for when the app crashes
11:48 <ahayzen> popey, k noted have a good holiday :)
11:48 <vthompson> I think they changed it because saving the state/serializing is too expensive
11:48 <ahayzen> ok
11:48 <ahayzen> so i'll checkout patching the sql as well then :)
11:48 <vthompson> nik90 had said that they might reintroduce statesaver for normal use and lifecycle, but I'm not sure when they'll do that
11:50 <nik90> vthompson: yeah I wouldn't wait for that before the rtm as they are prioritizing the work they do
11:50 <nik90> oh hi btw :)
11:50 <ahayzen> o/
11:50 <vthompson> nik90, o/ didn't mean to summon you ;)
11:50 <nik90> lol
11:51 <vthompson> popey, ahayzen, I had one more thought earlier with regard to search
11:51 <ahayzen> vthompson, ok so we need to checkout the sql then...so what do we do with the 'deleted' tracks as when we 'fix' the db they will be resurrected
11:51 <popey> go on..
11:51 <vthompson> Should we think about introducing a Genre tab? This would allow search for Genre
11:51 <ahayzen> post rtm with the new design?
11:52 <vthompson> One of the bacon bugs was about genres being hard to navigate. I don't browse my music by genre, but if it's common having a tab and the ability to search on it would be nice
11:52 <popey> i never use genre
11:52 <vthompson> I'm suggesting pre-rtm
11:52 <ahayzen> think we already have enough things todo before rtm ...and genres most people don't use genre
11:53 <ahayzen> and we have genre in the start page which is probably enough for now
11:53 <vthompson> ok, since it's 3 against Bacon and he isn't here to defend his position, we'll call him a unique user in this regard
11:53 <vthompson> :)
11:53 <ahayzen> +1
11:53 <ahayzen> hehe
11:53 <popey> +1
11:54 <popey> he's dead to us.
11:54 <ahayzen> :(
11:54 <popey> j/k
11:54 <ahayzen> anyway anything else?
11:54 <vthompson> nothing from me
11:54 <popey> I think not.
11:54 <ahayzen> do we need to poke the ms2 guys?
11:54 <popey> Thanks so much guys for the hard work as we lead up to RTM
11:54 <ahayzen> with that extra qml thing we need
11:55 <vthompson> Jussi just replied to the email thread
11:55 <ahayzen> np we'll get there
11:55 <ahayzen> ah lol
11:55 <ahayzen> ok nothing else from me then
11:55 <vthompson> he's suggesting we don't add the QML piece... which we'll have to find a way to build something to access the backend
11:55 <ahayzen> oh god
11:56 <vthompson> (I'm still against getting the metadata at all though)
11:56 <ahayzen> ok well jim said he could relink the metadata in MediaPlayer if needed
11:56 <ahayzen> as all it is missing is the onchanged signal being raised
11:56 <popey> We don't have long to sort this, so we need to come up with a plan either way.
11:56 <ahayzen> so would that resolve the issues?
11:56 <ahayzen> if we then had streaming model as well
11:56 <vthompson> jim's plate is rather full
11:56 <ahayzen> hah :/
11:57 <vthompson> I want the basics working in ms2 with the streaming so we can even import the file in the ~/Music
11:57 <ahayzen> yeah but still need to know what to call the file
11:57 <vthompson> There's still a chance that the metadata pulled from media-hub would mismatch the ms2 data and then the destinatino of the file is not as accurate
11:58 <vthompson> call it what it was called when d/l'ed
11:58 <ahayzen> jhodapp> ahayzen: media-hub can supply it, but it's not hooked up yet in qtubuntu-media
11:58 <ahayzen> <jhodapp> ahayzen: no unchanged
11:58 <popey> I still vote for ./Downloaded/YYYYMMDDHHMMSS-foo
11:58 <popey> or similar
11:59 <vthompson> popey, +1
11:59 <ahayzen> ok well we could prompt the user (as with current designs)
11:59 <vthompson> my idea was ~/Music/imported/...
11:59 <popey> +1
11:59 <ahayzen> with it prefilled with ~/Music/Imported/YYYYMMDDHHMMSS-foo.ext
11:59 <ahayzen> ok we'll do that then
12:00 <popey> Ok. we done?
12:00 <ahayzen> right thats all from me i gtg now o/
12:00 <vthompson> yep!
12:00 <popey> Thanks ahayzen vthompson !
12:00 <popey> Have a great day.
12:00 <ahayzen> popey, thanks have a great holiday :)
12:00 <vthompson> bye popey, ahayzen, (nik90)!
12:00 <popey> \o/
12:01 <ahayzen> vthompson, cyas later :)
12:01 <popey> #endmeeting