11:14 <popey> #startmeeting Music app meeting
11:14 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 26 11:14:49 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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11:14 <popey> Hows it going? ☻
11:15 <ahayzen> its going well :)
11:15 <ahayzen> we landed mediascanner-2.0 \o/
11:15 <ahayzen> and looks like that dbus revert is going through? i saw it in silo 014 yesterday?
11:16 <ahayzen> last night i got the sheets-to-pages transition working on jenkins https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/move-sheets-to-pages/+merge/220444
11:16 <popey> oh nice one!
11:16 <ahayzen> ^^ is now just waiting on the dbus revert as it seems to explode sometimes and we are hoping this will resolve the issue
11:16 <popey> heh
11:17 <ahayzen> it is fine on my device but die on my desktop (but that was the same as the initial mediascanner2 migration anyway)
11:17 <popey> aha, i see it in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-014
11:17 <ahayzen> victor also made this mp which we can land after 014 lands to remove the 500 track limit https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/remove-initial-dbus-limitations/+merge/224272
11:18 <popey> excellent!
11:18 <ahayzen> i've merged listitemactions with trunk but that we'll wait for the sheet-to-pages to land first https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/listitem-actions/+merge/220290
11:18 <ahayzen> popey, i was wondering if i could double check some behaviour with you?
11:19 <popey> sure
11:19 <popey> i left music app playing all day and overnight btw ☻
11:19 <ahayzen> so in this new sheets-to-pages...when you go say...Albums -> Album -> Now Playing ... when you hit back from Now Playing we have currently made it go back to Album ... then you press back again to Albums
11:19 <ahayzen> \o/
11:20 * ahayzen builds click so it is easier to see
11:20 <popey> thanks
11:21 <ahayzen> popey, try this https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XynHVKfrvMcll3YW9CR2pIOUE/edit?usp=sharing
11:22 <popey> hmm, i cant right now as I'm running AP tests on my device
11:22 <popey> What's the question?
11:22 <ahayzen> popey, basically say you go to the albums tab... then select an album (it then shows you the tracks for that album) ... then you click play (it then goes to now playing) ...
11:23 <ahayzen> popey, if you select back from now playing ... do you expect it to go back to Album (the tracks for the album)... or to Albums (the list of albums [the album tab])) ?
11:24 <ahayzen> also you have Artists -> Artist -> Album -> Now Playing as well
11:24 <popey> if I have chosen to play an album, and I go back, I wouldn't expect to go back to the album itself as I'd have no reason to
11:24 <popey> I mean, I can see how that path is logical from a progression / breadcrumb point of view
11:24 <popey> but if I have already queued up the entire album, I would likely want to queue up another
11:24 <popey> not go back and look at the album, it's an extra step I am highly unlikely to ever need?
11:25 <ahayzen> so you would expect .... Albums -> Album -> Now Playing .... Now Playing -> Albums
11:25 <popey> yes
11:25 <ahayzen> yeah that was my thought when playing with it
11:25 <ahayzen> ok i'll tweak that tonight
11:25 <popey> thanks
11:25 <popey> i can see how some might argue the opposite
11:25 <popey> but I think "back" should take you to the logical place, not necessarily the previous place you were at
11:25 <ahayzen> yeah but the tab view remembers where you were so you don't have to scroll :)
11:26 <popey> yay!
11:26 <ahayzen> (if you did want to select the same thing)
11:26 <popey> ok, thats good
11:26 <ahayzen> ok so once that lands...then we land the listitem actions
11:26 <popey> which would be an odd thing to do
11:26 <popey> oh awesome.
11:26 <popey> Are you planning on going away on holiday at all this summer?
11:27 <ahayzen> nope just earning money for uni :)
11:27 <popey> heh, okay
11:27 <ahayzen> malta was my holiday \o/
11:27 <popey> haha ☻
11:27 <ahayzen> ok then the searching...
11:28 <ahayzen> me and victor were discussing this the other day ... we think there are two options we'll have that make sense/should be able to implement...
11:28 <ahayzen> a) User select search in header tab ... it then takes you to the songs tab and 'searches' that view
11:29 <ahayzen> b) User selects search in header tab.... it then 'searches' whatever your current view is... so say you are on albums it would filter the results to only those albums
11:30 <ahayzen> ...the search header API hasn't been implemented yet (at last check) so we don't know totally what is possible...and the second option assume SortFilterModel does what we expect ....
11:31 <ahayzen> popey, but what do you think? ... a) is currently out preference ...but we both said b) could be interesting to at least investigate?
11:31 * popey thinks
11:32 <popey> hmmm
11:32 <popey> context aware search is my favorite
11:32 <ahayzen> i believe the searching of a) would also search albums (as ms2 does that for us if we go that route) ... so say you searched for an album it would then show you the tracks for that album but yeah not as nice as b)
11:32 <ahayzen> we'll see if it is viable then when implementing it
11:32 <popey> i think it needs testing with large collections with diverse names
11:33 <ahayzen> yeah
11:33 <popey> when do you think that might be ready to test?
11:33 <ahayzen> once the search header API is implemented
11:33 <ahayzen> + a few days for us to hack it in :)
11:33 <popey> which reminds me, my fresh laptop has no music, so I'll copy $lots from $somewhere
11:33 <popey> ok
11:33 <ahayzen> ...then after all of that fun...
11:33 <ahayzen> i have been playing about with https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/now-playing-queue-split
11:34 <popey> man you've been busy
11:34 <ahayzen> this splits the now playing and queue into two separate pages ....
11:34 <popey> oh nice.
11:34 <ahayzen> this will make it easier to do the convergence as the queue is then just a component....but also resolves a few bugs as the queue items are all the same size etc
11:34 <ahayzen> but it does massively change the normal patterns
11:35 <popey> yeah, we need to test that quite a bit.
11:35 <ahayzen> as now you go ... say... Albums -> Albums -> Queue -> Now Playing.... (when you click on a track it jumps you straight to now playing)
11:35 <popey> we also need to start wrapping up when we're expecting to land for RTM
11:35 <popey> and then switch to bug fix mode
11:35 <ahayzen> yep
11:35 <popey> however we'll be doing bug fixing post-rtm too
11:35 <ahayzen> will we have two separate branches?
11:35 <popey> as we get feedback from the handset manufacturers
11:36 <ahayzen> one for rtm and for devel?
11:36 <popey> we may have to.
11:36 <popey> or we just freeze and only do bug fix and polish work
11:36 <ahayzen> depends if we just hold off major UI things or not?
11:36 <popey> yeah
11:37 <ahayzen> otherwise we'll have to start backporting :/
11:37 <popey> yeah.
11:37 <ahayzen> but then how would we start working on big convergence things
11:37 <popey> Well, there's nothing stopping us doing what nik90 did with clock, and create a new series
11:37 <ahayzen> i guess we would just have to super duper test them :)
11:37 <popey> well music is on the unity8 desktop iso, so should get more testing ☻
11:37 <ahayzen> :)
11:38 <ahayzen> oh yeah and this move to pages branch may help with the bottom edge stuff
11:38 * ahayzen has been investigating that as well
11:39 <popey> Have you seen the bottom edge stuff in dialer and sms apps?
11:39 <ahayzen> yeah it is awesome :)
11:39 <popey> yeah, i love it
11:39 <popey> was showing it to friends last night
11:39 <popey> "ooooh"
11:39 <ahayzen> but i wondered if the 'tag' thing would be useful for us or not?
11:39 <ahayzen> as we have the toolbar at the bottom
11:39 <popey> depends what you want to do with the bottom edge
11:39 <ahayzen> like this is what we are aiming for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51QJcIDFuxM
11:40 <popey> yeah.
11:40 <ahayzen> but i just wondered if a tag with.... 'X songs queued'... or 'X queued' or something would be cool
11:40 <ahayzen> but then it would overlay the toolbar slightly
11:40 <ahayzen> also we've gotta figure out how to get the three stage to work
11:40 <ahayzen> no one has done that yet
11:41 <popey> dialer has
11:41 * ahayzen checks
11:41 <popey> pull up a bit, you get re-dial recent, bit more you get duation showing, all the way you get the full list
11:41 <ahayzen> hmmm ....
11:41 * ahayzen is still waiting for EE to sort out his SIM
11:42 <ahayzen> but we have ....nothing ... toolbar shown ... full page shown
11:42 <ahayzen> is that subtly different?
11:42 <ahayzen> i'll have a check over their code later and see if i can figure it out
11:43 <ahayzen> but then the question is once you have the now playing / queue split...does the bottom edge take you to the queue or now playing ?
11:43 <ahayzen> but thts all future stuff :)
11:43 <popey> hehe
11:44 <davmor2> ahayzen: ring them and say you are going to move to 02 or vodaphone if they don't sort it out soon you'll be amazed at how quickly they'll over night you a sim :)
11:44 <ahayzen> davmor2, the first SIM was dead.... then they sent me a nano sim .... and now it is in the post ...*somewhere*
11:45 <ahayzen> davmor2, but that does sound like a plan ;)
11:46 * ahayzen wants to transfer from his normal size SIM to a combi/micro SIM...surely can't be that hard lol
11:46 <popey> ☻
11:46 <popey> OK, anything else we need to discuss?
11:46 <ahayzen> popey, right thats all from me anyway u want us to do? other than, land the things!
11:47 <ahayzen> popey, any eta on silo-014?
11:47 <popey> Yes, that, and figure out some bitesize things for people to look at next week during hack days ☻
11:47 <ahayzen> ah yes
11:47 <popey> asked thomas, will keep poking
11:47 <popey> looks like packages built now
11:47 <popey> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFVHQ3FuMDJGLUZCamJfSjYzbWh3Wnc&pli=1#gid=32
11:47 <popey> you have access to see that?
11:47 <ahayzen> UI polish i think...once this pages stuff lands i see borders/margins that could all be aligned
11:48 <popey> testing with vast music collections too
11:48 <ahayzen> popey, the CI train? yeah thts where i found it was silo014 :)
11:48 <popey> heh
11:48 <ahayzen> yep
11:48 <popey> ok
11:48 * ahayzen has filled his mako with flac files
11:49 <ahayzen> popey, right lunch time i'll speak later :) o/
11:50 <popey> o/
11:50 <popey> thanks!
11:50 <popey> #endmeeting