20:06 <popey> #startmeeting filemanager app
20:06 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 17 20:06:25 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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20:06 <popey> how are you both?
20:06 <CarlosMazieri> I am ok.
20:07 * popey looks at https://code.launchpad.net/~carlos-mazieri/ubuntu-filemanager-app/trash-operations-3/+merge/219943
20:07 <iBelieve> I’m doing well
20:08 <popey> fginther: heya, you about? any chance you can take a look at http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/2885/console ?
20:09 <popey> not quite sure whats going on there
20:09 <popey> its failing on cleanup?>
20:09 <CarlosMazieri> it looks like failing on packaging
20:09 <popey> yeah
20:12 <popey> ok, fginther isn't about, I'll ping him in a bit
20:12 <fginther> popey, sorry, I'm here
20:12 <popey> oh, great ☻
20:13 <popey> while he looks at that...
20:13 <popey> CarlosMazieri: iBelieve You may have seen we now have a Unity8 based desktop image for 14.10
20:13 <popey> which means more people will be exercising the file manager app on the desktop - which is great news!
20:14 <CarlosMazieri> I do not
20:14 <popey> ok, let me find a link
20:14 <iBelieve> popey, I heard about, but haven’t tried it at all. That’s neat!
20:14 <popey> here's an article about it http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/unity-8-daily-build-images-go-live
20:15 <popey> it's not the "default" for 14.10, but something to let people try out Unity8, Mir and the core apps on the desktop
20:15 <popey> So expect the odd bug report ㋛
20:15 <popey> We'll be keeping an eye on the bug reports as always.
20:16 <CarlosMazieri> I will try this image
20:16 <popey> So the work you've been doing recently will certainly be valued there.
20:17 <fginther> popey, that's a rather old trusty test. Those have now been disabled. Shall I re-approve the failed MP?
20:17 <popey> please
20:17 <CarlosMazieri> please fix that, it is the second time it happens
20:18 <popey> So i think we're disabling the trusty tests right fginther ?
20:18 <popey> sorry about that CarlosMazieri
20:18 <fginther> popey, yes, all the trusty builds and tests have been disabled
20:19 <popey> thanks
20:19 <CarlosMazieri> thanks
20:19 <popey> A couple of other admin-type things.
20:19 <popey> We have a Trello board for tracking to-do items.. https://trello.com/b/Ie2rAS3W/core-apps-management
20:20 <popey> I added you both to it.
20:20 <popey> The idea is it's easier to use than blueprints, and easier for us to get an overview of all core apps.
20:20 <iBelieve> popey: nice, trello’s awesome!
20:21 <popey> If there are things you need us to do, feel free to add cards to the ToDo lane and assign them to us!
20:21 <popey> We've been prefixing the cards with the app names so you can filter them using the options in the top right.
20:22 <popey> We also had a fix come in from Victor which addressed the problem with the tests failing during our daily imag ebuilds
20:22 <popey> Turns out disabling the on screen keyboard wasn't actually wise during tests.
20:23 <CarlosMazieri> I am wondering what to do next in the plugin
20:24 <popey> ah yes, you sent a mail with a list didn't you, sorry, I didn't reply
20:24 <popey> So you had 3 items on the list, networked operations, multi-threading, and undo, right?
20:25 <iBelieve> popey: is the trello board just for management issues, or is it for tracking features too? Such as implementing the new header in File Manager?
20:25 <CarlosMazieri> it is my suggestion, open to other ideas
20:25 <popey> iBelieve: yeah, tracking features too
20:26 <iBelieve> popey: ok, cool
20:26 <iBelieve> popey: should I add new cards to the top or bottom of the lists?
20:26 <popey> sure iBelieve ☻
20:27 <popey> CarlosMazieri: right, well my feeling is that network and undo come over multi-threaded, but depend really on how much work is required.
20:27 <popey> I don't actually have a laundry list of features that need adding, but I expect that the Unity 8 image may trigger some suggestions / wishlist items.
20:27 <CarlosMazieri> network requires more work than multi-thread
20:29 <popey> And undo?
20:29 <CarlosMazieri> undo is lighter than others
20:30 <popey> So really I think we need to do some research and figure out whether we have feature partity with other common desktop file managers.
20:30 <popey> Which will help us drive the to-do list.
20:30 <popey> the usual suspects being nautilus, dolphin ... osx finder ㋛
20:31 <popey> Personally I'd value undo, because I'm a klutz and end up dragging things to the wrong place all the time ☻
20:31 <popey> But I don't know how that compares to other users, and whether other file managers implement those features well and how heavily they're used.
20:32 <popey> What do you think CarlosMazieri iBelieve ?
20:32 <iBelieve> popey, CarlosMazieri: File icons would be really nice to have. And I’d like to see undo support
20:33 <CarlosMazieri> I think a file manager needs all these features, we need to put a priority list
20:34 <CarlosMazieri> please identify a order for new features
20:34 <popey> ok. let me build that list and get back to you. okay?
20:34 <CarlosMazieri> Ok, thanks
20:34 <popey> np, thank you!
20:35 <popey> iBelieve: icons for common document types?
20:36 <CarlosMazieri> I think he talks about theme icons
20:36 <iBelieve> popey: yes, MIME type icons
20:36 <popey> ok, i need to check with design as we have an icon designer, to see if its on their radar
20:36 <popey> don't want to duplicate effort
20:37 * popey adds a todo
20:37 <iBelieve> popey: icons from the new suru theme would be nice too. But I was refering to matching the file type (image, document, source code, etc) to an icon, even if it is from the desktop theme
20:38 <popey> right, thats what i mean, i dont know if they plan to make new suru icons for all of that
20:38 <popey> I'm sure they do, but don't know when
20:38 <popey> I think we have like one guy doing it ☻
20:38 <popey> if he's not working on it, then perhaps we can ask Sam Hewitt nicely?
20:39 <iBelieve> CarlosMazieri: is it possible to use Qt in C++ to return an icon from the current theme for each file/folder?
20:39 <iBelieve> popey: I’m sure Sam Hewitt would to a great job!
20:39 <popey> ya
20:39 <CarlosMazieri> yes, I have not done it yet, but I kow that is possible
20:39 <popey> I wouldn't want him to make icons and them all get replaced by the design team though. so want to check first
20:42 <popey> Ok. Anything else to discuss today? Any issues guys?
20:42 <CarlosMazieri> No, thanks.
20:42 <iBelieve> popey: nothing else from me
20:42 <popey> Great, thanks for your time guys. Really appreciated.
20:43 <popey> I'll get back to you with the results of those to-do's
20:43 <popey> #endmeeting