17:09 <popey> #startmeeting clock app meeting 17:09 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 24 17:09:53 2014 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:09 <meetingology> 17:09 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:10 <popey> Clock App links:- 17:10 <popey> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bugs 17:10 <popey> Reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+activereviews 17:10 <popey> Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/coreapps-1404-clock-dev 17:10 <popey> General Links:- 17:10 <popey> Milestones: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+milestones 17:10 <popey> Burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-14.04/ 17:10 <popey> Blockers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Blockers 17:10 <popey> how are you nik90 ? 17:10 <nik90> good..busy with the showdown 17:10 <nik90> and yourself? 17:11 <popey> Great! Now the release has passed, we have lots to do! :D 17:11 <nik90> yeah :) 17:11 <nik90> just waiting on the U-archive to open up 17:12 <popey> Yeah, should be monday/tuesday 17:12 <nik90> What a code name Utopic Unicorn 17:12 <popey> heh, yeah ☻ 17:12 <popey> with a test image from ogra early that week assuming cjwatson can get a server image built 17:12 <nik90> ok..I created some new milestones for this cycle 17:12 <popey> awesome. 17:12 <nik90> I still need to sit down and plan what needs to be done when 17:13 <nik90> do we have a new blueprint? 17:13 <popey> Right, on that subject.. 17:13 <nik90> for this cycle? 17:13 <popey> Not yet. 17:13 <popey> We are going to have a slightly different release cycle this time 17:13 <nik90> oh 17:13 <popey> because we'll be focussed mostly on the phone manufacturer release to manufacturer date 17:13 <popey> rather than the 12.10 traditional release date 17:13 <popey> as they are not the same. 17:13 <popey> uh, 14.10 17:13 <nik90> ah ...makes sense. 17:14 <popey> I don't actually have a final date though. 17:14 <nik90> When is the expected phone manufacture release dates that we need to target 17:14 <popey> Which makes working backwards somewhat tricky 17:14 <nik90> do we have atleast a month decided? 17:14 <popey> However I think we need to be aiming to be _done_ by ~July. 17:14 <popey> So it's a short cycle. 17:15 <nik90> wow that's 3 months give or take 17:15 <popey> Yup. 17:15 <popey> The good news is most of the apps are "done" 17:15 <popey> (for some value of "done") 17:15 <nik90> true 17:15 <popey> I'm also trying to get a definitive list of what the expectations are for that build 17:16 <popey> whether we expect a world clock for example 17:16 <popey> or whether we expect a full redesign or something 17:16 <nik90> we need to nail the alarms first asap 17:16 <popey> +1 17:16 <popey> that should be where all the attention goes right now 17:17 <popey> making sure alarms work, the times are right, timezones and daylight savings, and year rollovers are all taken into account 17:17 <nik90> I will create a milestone which has all the alarm bugs we know up to date and then start fixing them one by one 17:17 <popey> Great! 17:17 <popey> We may need to do some edge case testing 17:17 <nik90> you were referring to the timezones and daylight savings of the alarms and not the world clock right? 17:17 <popey> forcibly setting the date to strange values on device to test edge cases 17:17 <popey> correct 17:18 <nik90> because for the world clock that would be more work than I can expect to get done in 3 months. Plus I need some help from the SDK devs for that 17:18 <popey> We don't want to have an article like this www.tuaw.com/2014/03/08/daylight-saving-public-service-announcement-dont-count-on-your/ 17:18 <popey> world clock was just me throwing things out that I dont know ☻ 17:18 <popey> consider it an unknown unknown 17:18 <nik90> +1 to the article :) 17:19 <popey> I want us to be confident that alarms will trigger when users expect them to 17:19 <nik90> yes 17:19 <popey> So I think we need a test plan for all those strange cases 17:20 <popey> for example testing by people in different timezones, alarms set for weekdays, weekends, alarms set on the day after daylight savings 17:20 <popey> some will be hard to test, but we need to figure a way. could be a good discussion at Malta 17:20 <nik90> yeah. I think we need to first define all the edge cases. Only then we can test them and create AP tests for them 17:20 <popey> ya 17:20 <nik90> definitely 17:22 <popey> Any other things to consider? 17:22 <nik90> I will let you know when I get the milestone, wiki doc for the edge cases and other stuff ready. I guess I have some todo this weekend 17:22 <popey> Ok. 17:22 <nik90> btw phones are high priority at the moment for the cycle right? or do we still need to do some tablet designs 17:23 <nik90> I remember mark saying that tablets would land at the same time 17:23 <popey> Phone is #1 17:23 <nik90> ok 17:25 <nik90> that was it from my end 17:25 <popey> With U and the SDK changing under our feet, there's the possibility of things breaking now and then again. 17:25 <popey> So we need to be certain we have great tests 17:25 <nik90> oh yeah .. the tab bar changes 17:25 <popey> so we can be sure when something breaks the finger of blame can't come our way ☻ 17:25 <popey> yeah 17:25 <nik90> luckily we use the toolkit emulators..so I know who to blame :P 17:25 <popey> hah 17:25 <nik90> luckily -> well planned efforts by elopio 17:26 <popey> Of course it's not about blaming people but making sure we don't hold up the train with unnecessary debugging 17:26 <popey> I expect a Qt5.3 tranition at some point too 17:26 <nik90> yeah..btw the alarm status bug we had last week was due to the EDS...I believe renato has a Mp for it. 17:27 <popey> Yeah. Brilliant. 17:27 <popey> I didn't have anything else. All set for Malta? 17:27 <nik90> I didnt get a reply. So I sent the email again to the travel agent 17:27 <popey> ooh, please do as a matter of urgency. 17:28 <nik90> if I don't hear by tomorrow, I will email Michelle 17:28 <popey> if you get no response, michelle can help 17:28 <popey> Wouldn't want us to miss out on having you there. 17:29 <nik90> yeah ..I will ensure this is done by next week 17:29 <popey> (or you to miss out on our delightful company ㋛ 17:29 <popey> Ok, that's all from me. 17:29 <nik90> hehe 17:29 <nik90> me too 17:29 <popey> thanks as always nik90 ☻ 17:29 <popey> take care. 17:30 <popey> #endmeeting