16:03 <popey> #startmeeting calculator meeting
16:03 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar  6 16:03:32 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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16:03 <popey> Calculator App links:-
16:03 <popey> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bugs
16:03 <popey> Reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+activereviews
16:03 <popey> Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/coreapps-1404-calculator-dev
16:03 <popey> General Links:-
16:03 <popey> Milestones: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+milestones
16:04 <popey> Burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-14.04/
16:04 <popey> Blockers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Blockers
16:04 <mihir> hey popey ricardo
16:04 <rpadovani> hey mihir o/
16:05 <rpadovani> popey, you ask to us to restart meeting, I think you have something to say to us, then we will update you with last works. Sounds good?
16:06 <popey> sorry, people were pinging me in pm
16:06 <popey> Well, there's a few things..
16:07 <popey> The new UI patterns are being announced tomorrow, so you might want to bookmark http://summit.ubuntu.com/appdevweek-1403/meeting/22154/the-new-app-header-design-and-new-ux-exploration/
16:07 <popey> there should be a blog post around the same time, and the video will be archived
16:07 <mihir> just a min I will rejoin
16:07 <popey> ok
16:08 <Mihir_> okay i am back :)
16:08 <popey> ☻
16:09 <popey> So the priority for now on calculator is to ensure it works on tablet/desktop.
16:10 <popey> fix any outstanding bugs which result from testing on tablet/desktop
16:10 <Mihir_> okay :)
16:10 <Mihir_> we are almost done with major bugs right renato_ popey
16:10 <Mihir_> rpadovani: *
16:10 <rpadovani> Well, on desktop I think it works well, thanks to gang65 we have implemented also localization for decimal separator
16:10 <popey> we'll also be looking at a design refresh, but that's less of a priority right now.
16:10 <popey> awesome.
16:10 <rpadovani> There is a bug on sidestage
16:10 <gang65> You welcome :-)
16:10 <popey> Yeah, the one with the white header?
16:11 <Mihir_> gang65: thanks a lot for your help :)
16:11 <rpadovani> popey, yap, #1281745
16:11 <rpadovani> bug #1281745
16:11 <rpadovani> There is no bot here?
16:11 <rpadovani> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1281745
16:11 <rpadovani> But without a tablet is impossible to debug it
16:12 <popey> ok, i have a tablet which I can test on.
16:12 <gang65> Is it possible to simulatee tablet on desktop?
16:12 <popey> perhaps there's some debug output we could enable to help diagnose the issue?
16:12 <gang65> for example by resazing screen / change ratio
16:12 <popey> tricky. there's just enough different between desktop and tablet to make it not behave exactly the same way
16:13 <popey> I haven't seen the issue on desktop at all
16:13 <popey> have you rpadovani ?
16:13 <Mihir_> popey: we'll have design updates by tomorrow ?
16:13 <rpadovani> popey, I don't know, there is the same bug on other apps? I have absolutely no idea how cause it
16:13 <rpadovani> and i'm not able to reproduce on desktop at all
16:13 <popey> Mihir_: the patterns will be announced. Then we need to look at new designs.
16:13 <popey> rpadovani: not seen it in other apps
16:13 <Mihir_> popey: okay :)
16:14 <popey> i can run it on a nexus 7 (2013) and grab debug output.. but I don't know what to grab
16:14 <popey> if you can help me figure out what info you need.
16:15 <rpadovani> popey, I can implement much mousearea as possible to understand what are it is, but I have no idea on what is the cause, so I'm a bit confused
16:15 <rpadovani> *what area it is
16:15 <popey> I suspect it could be a toolkit issue tbh
16:16 <popey> the calculator is odd though, we have that area which scrolls up
16:16 <popey> no other app has that
16:16 <Mihir_> popey:  i can't see the copy paste from toolkit ?
16:16 <Mihir_> is it available over there or not yet ?
16:16 <popey> I don't understand
16:17 <Mihir_> to copy paste result and vica/versa
16:17 <popey> It works in other apps like browser and notes..
16:18 <Mihir_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1267821
16:18 <Mihir_> okay i'll look into that
16:18 <popey> file manager has it too
16:18 <popey> thanks
16:18 <rpadovani> Mihir_, I think you can use http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups.ActionSelectionPopover/
16:19 <Mihir_> rpadovani: thank you, i'll surely try for this :)
16:19 <gang65> I have another question about tablet support
16:19 <gang65> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1281745
16:20 <gang65> Here is my proposal how to calculator should behave on panorama view tablet
16:20 <gang65> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Calculator/Design
16:20 <gang65> What do you think?
16:20 <gang65> Can we trigger UX to think about that?
16:21 <rpadovani> gang65, Yes, I saw them. For keyboard is good idea, but I don't like the upper part
16:21 <rpadovani> tbh, I don't have any idea on how do a tablet mode
16:22 <Mihir_> rpadovani: neither do i :(
16:22 <popey> gang65: nice
16:22 <gang65> Do we must contact with Design  team for approval?
16:22 <popey> gang65: great question.
16:22 <gang65> What is the process?
16:22 <popey> I think we should look at the app design again after friday.
16:23 <popey> I think things will look a bit different after the pattern update at 14:00 UTC on friday.
16:23 <popey> Another good question ☻
16:23 <rpadovani> popey, seems like a disruptive update :D
16:23 <popey> it is!
16:23 <popey> (in a good way)
16:23 <popey> gang65: The Canonical design team are currently highly overloaded with other work, so we've spun up a community design team.
16:23 <popey> The idea being that we get some of the best community designers to help us refresh all the core apps
16:24 <gang65> I would like to start working on that issue, but I don't know if the direction which I choose is right
16:25 <gang65> I would glad if you have some comment on that Report
16:25 <gang65> Then I could improve that design and prepare some proposal
16:25 <popey> gang65: which issue? the design for tablets?
16:26 <Mihir_> gang65: i guess you have uploaded some of them on WIKI right?
16:26 <gang65> exactly
16:26 <gang65> yes
16:26 <popey> I welcome new design ideas!
16:26 <gang65> ok, thanks
16:27 <Mihir_> popey: we can consider them while getting new design from UDS
16:27 <popey> Yeah, we have UDS next week.
16:27 <popey> We can discuss in a session then?
16:27 <popey> I have a general "core apps" session. which I haven't set a time for yet
16:28 <rpadovani> Is UDS next week? O.o time goes so faster!
16:28 <popey> I haven't scheduled a specific calculator app session, but can do if you think we need to hangout and discuss it?
16:28 <popey> (if you guys are around)
16:28 <popey> yeah!
16:28 <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/
16:28 <popey> I could put it in this timeslot ☻
16:28 <rpadovani> popey, yes, it would be awesome to have a calculator hangout,
16:28 <popey> and we could hangout
16:28 <popey> ok. let me do that now
16:28 <Mihir_> popey: yes that would be awesome to have hangout discusssion
16:29 <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22198/calculator-app-review-and-planning/
16:30 <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/2014-03-13/display
16:30 <Mihir_> popey: it is on calendar right?
16:30 <popey> there you go, slotted it on there at 16:00 UTC.
16:30 <popey> it is now
16:30 <Mihir_> because timezone is really confusing sometime
16:30 <Mihir_> okay cool
16:30 <rpadovani> popey, you're a a wizard, you choose the right time for me :D
16:30 <popey> \o/
16:30 <popey> Well I figured since we're here now...
16:31 <Mihir_> popey: :)
16:31 <rpadovani> Yeah, good idea. popey do we have time now for another thing?
16:31 <popey> sure thing
16:31 <popey> always have time for you guys :D
16:31 <rpadovani> gang65 proposed https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calculator-app/delete_last_numeral/+merge/209142
16:32 <gang65> thanks
16:32 <rpadovani> popey, see Mihir_ comment and gang65 answer
16:32 <rpadovani> popey, what do you think?
16:32 * popey reads
16:32 <Mihir_> popey: thanks a lot for your support and trust
16:32 <popey> lemme test it
16:33 <gang65> Short explanataion As a Desktop user I would like to have possibility to correct values
16:33 <popey> oh thats nice!
16:33 <popey> It's like rewinding time
16:33 <gang65> for example when I saw that result is wrong it is good to correct it
16:34 <gang65> yes
16:34 <popey> Personally I can see the appeal of this.
16:34 <popey> There's no way to do this on the phone/tablet though, as we have no backspace key there...
16:34 <popey> So only affects desktop users, right?
16:34 <Mihir_> popey: yes
16:35 <gang65> for me it is very useful feature
16:35 <gang65> I can correct the values every time
16:35 <rpadovani> popey, the problem is this, that brokes compatibility, because backspace is no more a shortcut to "c/ac"
16:35 <gang65> yes
16:35 <gang65> it shouldn't
16:36 <rpadovani> it's a design choice, so I don't say anything :-P
16:36 <popey> Hmm, right.
16:36 <gang65> Delete or Escape do that
16:36 <popey> No, it's your app guys, we should certainly discuss and reach consensus ☻
16:37 <rpadovani> So, if Delete or Escape are shortcut to "c/ac" +1 to use backspace to delete equal
16:37 <rpadovani> Mihir_, what's your opinion?
16:37 <popey> gnome calc uses escape for C/AC, and backspace... for backspace
16:37 <Mihir_> esc should be C/ac
16:37 <rpadovani> seems logical
16:37 <popey> which seems reasonable to me
16:38 <popey> so we agree?
16:38 <rpadovani> yap :-)
16:38 <popey> \o/
16:38 <popey> Rock on.
16:38 <gang65> great !
16:38 <Mihir_> yo
16:38 <gang65> one more problem
16:38 <gang65> with that feature
16:38 <rpadovani> congrats gang65, you did a great work this week, thanks :-)
16:38 <popey> +1
16:39 <Mihir_> gang65: thank you for time :)
16:39 <gang65> there is no "virtual button" to press to execute "backspace"
16:39 <gang65> I'm wondering why "zero button" is so large :-)
16:40 <gang65> ?
16:40 <Mihir_> hmmm we can add
16:40 <Mihir_> but gang65 lets keep this after we done with these stuffs?
16:40 <popey> could we use left swipe as backspace?
16:40 <Mihir_> what you say rpadovani  ?
16:40 <rpadovani> popey, good idea
16:40 <popey> currently left and right swipe are used for delete previous calculation
16:41 <rpadovani> Sorry, have to go, I'll read log! Thanks for your time guys :-)
16:41 <popey> ok rpadovani thanks!
16:41 <Mihir_> rpadovani: thank you :)
16:41 <popey> I think it's worth having a play with left swipe = backspace. Not sure how well it would work.
16:41 <popey> hard to discover for one thing.
16:42 <Mihir_> Hmmm..we can try popey
16:42 <Mihir_> so , gang65 can you try to do that in the same MR?
16:43 <gang65> Maybe I will create separate Report for that
16:43 <gang65> I would like to discuss more about that
16:43 <Mihir_> okay
16:43 <Mihir_> fair enough
16:44 <Mihir_> popey: anything else from your side?
16:44 <gang65> And do some more additional test with new tablet design
16:44 <popey> gang65: great
16:44 <popey> No, nothing else from me.
16:44 <Mihir_> nothing from my side as well
16:45 <gang65> one more quesiton
16:45 <popey> Ok..
16:45 <gang65> where I could find some Design documentation
16:45 <gang65> I have feeling that I lost something
16:45 <gang65> :-P
16:45 <gang65> ?
16:45 <Mihir_> gang65: which design document are you talking about ?
16:45 <popey> ah
16:46 <popey> the original calculator design stuff?
16:46 <popey> I think it all originally came from the design blog
16:46 <popey> http://design.canonical.com/2013/03/app-patterns-applied-calculator-key-journeys/
16:46 <popey> http://design.canonical.com/2013/02/app-patterns-applied-core-utilities-for-ubuntu-on-phones/
16:47 <gang65> thx
16:47 <popey> np
16:47 <popey> feel free to ping me a mail or on irc (I'm around a lot of the time) if you have any questions.
16:47 <Mihir_> you can talk to me or rpadovani  as well
16:47 <gang65> what about tests?
16:48 <gang65> do we need to update it?
16:48 <popey> if you break them, yeah ㋛
16:48 <Mihir_> gang65: yes, if you know how to do them
16:48 <Mihir_> :)
16:48 <popey> balloons is our resident autopilot expert
16:49 <gang65> oki
16:49 * balloons waves
16:50 <Mihir_> okay popey i will leave for my dinner
16:50 <popey> ok, I think we're done?
16:50 <gang65> yes
16:50 <Mihir_> shoot mail if you have any updates
16:50 <popey> lets wrap up and if there's any more questions gang65 you can mail or ping us in #ubuntu-app-devel ☻
16:50 <popey> thanks again
16:50 <popey> #endmeeting