12:02 <popey> #startmeeting Music App meeting
12:02 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar  6 12:02:42 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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12:03 <popey> Music App links:-
12:03 <popey> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bugs
12:03 <popey> Reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/music-app/+activereviews
12:03 <popey> Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/coreapps-1404-music-dev
12:03 <popey> General Links:-
12:03 <popey> Milestones: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+milestones
12:03 <popey> Burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-14.04/
12:03 <popey> Blockers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Blockers
12:04 <popey> I had a couple of things to mention..
12:04 <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/appdevweek-1403/meeting/22154/the-new-app-header-design-and-new-ux-exploration/
12:04 <popey> You may want to bookmark that!
12:04 <popey> Tomorrow at 14:00 Dani will be running a session explaining the new UX exploration
12:05 <popey> The blog post explaining it all should be published around the same time.
12:05 <ahayzen> ooo nice we are looking to use tht as a possibility to resolve some issues with the now playing page
12:05 <vthompson> ah, cool. We already have our eyes on the header back button MP
12:05 <ahayzen> hehe
12:06 <ahayzen> did u guys see the design document we have under devel now? https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13NPPQPrw0P5UvK3ZuC22faDC188Er1TXcZmYGjZcI4g/edit#slide=id.g1cbb39743_00
12:06 <vthompson> Yep, I see you made some comments
12:06 <popey> is that linked from the wiki?
12:06 <ahayzen> popey, not yet
12:06 <popey> ok, can you add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Music/Design up the top?
12:06 <ahayzen> popey, think Andrea would need to add some more permission as well?
12:07 <vthompson> I'll add to Wiki
12:07 <ahayzen> cool
12:07 <vthompson> What more permission would Andrea need?
12:07 <ahayzen> public read access?
12:07 <popey> its public
12:07 <ahayzen> or is it doing tht atm
12:07 <ahayzen> ah cool
12:07 <popey> I just opened it in an incognito window
12:07 <ahayzen> ignore me then
12:08 <popey> Andrea is away next week I believe, in Paris.
12:08 <popey> The other thing I wanted to mention..
12:08 <popey> We've had some conversations with carriers and partners around the whole phone experience.
12:09 <popey> I'm trying to collate feedback from the carriers, especially any specific feedback they have on the apps.
12:09 <popey> I'll pass that on when I get it (which may be next week at this rate)
12:09 <popey> Oh, and one more important thing to mention..
12:09 <popey> Next week is vUDS!
12:09 <ahayzen> \o/
12:09 <vthompson> woot
12:10 <popey> I scheduled a session for the music app.
12:10 <popey> we can move sessions around if they're not good time-wise for you guys.
12:10 <vthompson> We'll want to speak about design? Anything else?
12:10 <ahayzen> yep design... erm there is a session on U1DB later today so depending on wht happens with tht we may want to talk about tht
12:10 <popey> Well, we can use it in place of this meeting, and also talk about design, future direction etc.
12:11 <ahayzen> and i guess media-hub/mediascanner plans?
12:11 <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22170/music-app-planning-session/ is the direct link
12:11 <vthompson> I've finally got around to starting my review/work with the new mediascanner API
12:11 <popey> and has an etherpad doc next to it, (once you sign in using the usual dance) so if there's anything specific you want to talk about, add it to the etherpad
12:12 <vthompson> And I know there were some recent modifications, so it's a good time to get that work done
12:12 <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1403-music-app-planning-session is the direct link
12:12 <ahayzen> regarding times wednesday/thursday afternoons are usually good for me
12:13 <popey> ok
12:14 <ahayzen> vthompson, wht times are good for u?
12:14 <popey> I can schedule it now if you let me know what time is best.
12:15 <vthompson> Usually around this time UTC, or ~0000 UTC
12:15 <ahayzen> popey, we could pick the thursday 1400 UTC session which is free? which would be after this... or a later one depends on vthompson
12:15 <popey> ok
12:16 <popey> 14:00 UTC okay for you vthompson ?
12:16 <ahayzen> looks like thursday is free on appdev
12:16 <vthompson> I can probably attend one during the day as well, just a bit more difficult. I'll let you know if the Thurs 1400 works for me
12:17 <ahayzen> vthompson, we can go as late as 1800UTC on thurs or 1900UTC on a wednesday if tht helps?
12:17 <vthompson> 1400 on Thursday should work
12:18 <ahayzen> cool
12:18 <ahayzen> vthompson, i see u have a few MPs i'll go through them after this :)
12:18 <popey> ok
12:18 * popey schedules
12:18 <ahayzen> thanks popey
12:19 <vthompson> ahayzen, thanks, only the newest one concerning loading the library has any real impact
12:19 <vthompson> IIRC
12:19 <popey> ok, refresh thursday and you should see it?
12:19 <ahayzen> vthompson, yep the other is HUD and bumping version
12:20 <ahayzen> popey, yep :)
12:20 <vthompson> ahayzen, right, I'm not following the promoted images--it'd make sense to possibly wait until the promoted image introduces the Quit action in the HUD by default
12:20 <vthompson> but we could just not release the app to the store until then, not really a big deal
12:21 <ahayzen> vthompson, yep after this round of changes? ... also tim is just going through those swipeDelete changes again ...which may land this time (yn) lol
12:21 <vthompson> ahayzen, I won't hold my breath! But hopefully it goes through
12:21 <popey> yeah, we haven't had a promoted image in a while
12:21 <ahayzen> vthompson, so i guess ideally we would want before the swipeDelete stuff but after ur stuff
12:21 <popey> we need to very soon
12:22 <vthompson> ahayzen, sure order probably doesn't matter too much.
12:22 <ahayzen> popey, when was the last build?
12:23 <vthompson> 194?
12:23 <ahayzen> popey, how often does the UITK changes make it to the image?
12:23 <popey> yeah, 194
12:23 <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/
12:23 <ahayzen> i'm just worried if we update the click store and are dependant on future changes tht we break things
12:23 <popey> check that out, latest images at the bottom, date stamped, that tells you what changed in each image
12:24 <vthompson> So yea, for the swipe delete you're talking about?
12:24 <ahayzen> vthompson, yeah
12:24 <vthompson> We'll just have to keep an eye on that before landing IMO
12:24 <popey> yeah, we can release to store after an image is promoted
12:24 <ahayzen> ok cool we'll figure it out
12:24 <ahayzen> then i need to have a chat with balloons about autopilot again for the other merges :)
12:25 <ahayzen> do we have any serious bugs tht need attention?
12:26 <ahayzen> oh yeah wht was going on with the PPA builds? https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1284637
12:26 <vthompson> Not that I know of. Do we want to hold on tablet view stuff until we get Andrea back after vUDS?
12:26 <popey> I would
12:26 <vthompson> ahayzen, I assumed balloons was going to look at that sometime
12:27 <vthompson> I looked a bit, but cmake is not my strong suit and I'd rather they call it cbreak
12:27 <ahayzen> vthompson, i think we need to refine the design a bit more...but as we said before we can start prototyping things and doing some of the  fundamentals like those now-playing prototypes we have
12:27 <ahayzen> haha
12:28 <ahayzen> vthompson, when i have a chat with him shall i get him to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/artists-tab-ap-test/+merge/201986 as well?
12:28 <vthompson> on that same front, I'll probably need to make some notes about installing/testing the new mediascanner so any new MP of the app can be easily reviewed
12:28 <ahayzen> yeah good point
12:29 <vthompson> ahayzen, sure, I honestly forgot if I satisfied his concerns about any of the tests being 'flaky'
12:29 <vthompson> popey, that brings up a question I had. Should we be concerned with any of the N7 or N10 failures on the QA dashboard? Or is the dust still settling?
12:30 <popey> I wouldn't worry about those for now.
12:30 <popey> especially given there's a boatload more stuff to land in the coming days
12:30 <ahayzen> ok
12:31 <vthompson> rogger
12:31 <popey> shell updates, qt5.2.. which will probably break more stuff on more devices
12:31 <vthompson> *roger
12:31 <ahayzen> qt5.2 \o/
12:31 <popey> yeah.. about that
12:31 <ahayzen> popey, is there anyway we can test the app on the changes?
12:31 <ahayzen> popey, just jump to the devel image?
12:31 <vthompson> There's a QtGrilo hack needed to get it working on 5.2 as well
12:32 <popey> http://i.imgur.com/6swNKbI.jpg
12:32 <popey> it's a little broken right now ☻
12:32 <ahayzen> ah lol
12:32 <vthompson> oofda
12:32 <popey> ahayzen:  you can apt-get upgrade to 5.2
12:32 <popey> but I wouldn't
12:32 <vthompson> "Buzz your girfriend, yuck"
12:32 <ahayzen> popey, and we should be using ubuntu-device-flash now?
12:33 <popey> yes
12:33 <ahayzen> cool
12:33 <popey> we have daily meetings planning the 5.2 landing, once we get a go from that we'll announce on the list
12:33 <vthompson> ahayzen, it seems all rather the same... but the go port to ubuntu-device-flash works nicely for me
12:33 <vthompson> let's hope there's no cmake snafu with 5.2 landing
12:33 <ahayzen> vthompson, i'll try it when i next break my image lol
12:34 <vthompson> ahayzen, the devel images are nice--there's been some additions to the update process which are great
12:35 <ahayzen> i saw the update manager disappeared prematurely from the images lol
12:35 <vthompson> yea
12:35 <popey> yeah ⍨
12:35 <ahayzen> vthompson, do u mind rereviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/mediaplayer-simplify/+merge/201265 so when i get it to pass autopilot we can start the ball rolling again
12:35 <vthompson> It's back in the devel images and a few issues with it and the download manager portion have been fixed--it's been a rough few weeks
12:36 <ahayzen> vthompson, hmm it may need a merge of trunk actually got some cmake stuff tht isn't needed anymore
12:36 <vthompson> ahayzen, I'll do so.
12:36 <ahayzen> vthompson, thanks
12:36 * ahayzen is merging trunk now
12:37 <ahayzen> done
12:38 <ahayzen> is there anything else we need to talk about?
12:39 <vthompson> I can't think of anything. I'd like to come up with more stuff for our vUDS session... perhaps we can just converse over the next week on G+/the etherpad
12:39 <popey> I don't think so right now.
12:39 <popey> +1
12:39 <ahayzen> vthompson, i didn't know whether i exposed the mediaplayer.pause() etc correctly up to the Item{} ?
12:39 <ahayzen> vthompson, it would be good to have a proper talk about the tablet designs at some point
12:40 <vthompson> ahayzen, agreed... I'd like to include Andrea on that as well when he get's back. But we can try to gather our ideas as well. I'd like us to create some sort of design with the starting point of today's app
12:40 <ahayzen> yep agreed
12:41 <vthompson> See what makes sense with what we have now, and what might make the most sense to change in order to adapt properly
12:41 <ahayzen> i think we have some direction now at least
12:42 <vthompson> I don't know if I mentioned it, but the Weather app is currently has a nice tablet view that would be good to look at
12:42 <popey> yeah, Anreas did that too ☻
12:42 <ahayzen> think i saw some screenshots i'll have a look
12:43 <vthompson> ahayzen, we should try to do more prototyping just so we have something to show at vUDS I suppose
12:44 <ahayzen> vthompson, yep :) we've got those two routes for the now playing page
12:45 <vthompson> ahayzen, I wonder if we can hack together Tim P's header in back button implementation
12:45 <ahayzen> hehe could overwrite our local UITK
12:45 <ahayzen> i might try tht
12:45 <vthompson> I'm willing to do more of that as well now that my VM is functional
12:45 <ahayzen> vthompson, oo is it working again?
12:46 * ahayzen fires up VM to see
12:46 <vthompson> Well, I moved mine to my 13.10 desktop and things are working.. can't say you'll have the same luck
12:46 <ahayzen> haha
12:47 <ahayzen> compiz explodes when i open a window lol
12:48 <popey> is this 14.04 in virtualbox?
12:48 <vthompson> I think we'll ready to end the meeting--it's too hard to root through the logs when we keep chatting like this ;)
12:48 <ahayzen> popey, 14.04 in KVM
12:48 <popey> #endmeeting