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19:39:34 <mhall119> Oranger: so are we, the last one ran over
19:39:49 <popey> blueprint:-
19:39:50 <popey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-docviewer-development
19:39:57 <popey> review: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-docviewer-dev/ubuntu-docviewer-app/trunk/+activereviews
19:40:02 <popey> bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docviewer-app
19:40:38 <mhall119> so first off, thank you Oranger for bring this project back to life, the progress you've made has been amazing
19:40:56 <Oranger> Thank to you for your help ! ;)
19:41:53 <mhall119> first things first, I wanted to give you an update on what the SDK team is going to be doing in terms of reading CLI args
19:42:28 <mhall119> the plan, as I've heard it, is to build this into the Ubuntu components, either an existing one like MainView, or a new one
19:42:44 <mhall119> same for reading in content from files
19:42:57 <mhall119> Kaleo is going to be working on that
19:43:17 <mhall119> actually, let me see if he's available...
19:43:33 <Oranger> mhall119: Sound very good to me !
19:43:54 <popey> unlikely mhall119, uk time 20:43
19:44:06 <mhall119> says the guy on UK time who's here anyway
19:44:12 <popey> oh yeah
19:44:38 <mhall119> alright, I'll get him in touch with you, so he knows what your needs are, and to see what work you've already gotten done
19:44:57 <mhall119> alright, on to the blueprint
19:45:03 <Oranger> the less we will use C++ plugins in this project, better it will be
19:45:11 <mhall119> agreed
19:45:20 <mhall119> popey: Oranger: can you both see http://pad.ubuntu.com/4hydJSJELt
19:45:57 <popey> it's a url, yes.
19:46:05 <mhall119> :P
19:46:12 <popey> ☻
19:46:45 <Oranger> "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out" :(
19:46:52 <mhall119> ah, give me one minute
19:47:10 <Oranger> there are some secrets you don't want me to see ? :p
19:47:15 <popey> what's your launchpad ID?
19:47:20 <mhall119> Oranger: try it now
19:47:22 <Oranger> chocanto
19:47:29 <mhall119> popey: already added him
19:47:51 <Oranger> yes it work
19:47:53 <popey> k
19:47:54 <mhall119> cool
19:48:26 <mhall119> so, Oranger knocking out all of -month-0's work items
19:48:49 <mhall119> and most of -month-1 :)
19:49:02 <Oranger> wow, i need to be less fast
19:49:06 <mhall119> and one work item for me
19:49:09 <mhall119> Oranger: never!
19:49:17 <mhall119> there is *always* more work to do
19:49:24 <Oranger> ahah, I hope ;)
19:49:48 <mhall119> oh, I did have one thing that needs to be fixed on your MP for adding image support
19:49:56 <mhall119> https://code.launchpad.net/~chocanto/ubuntu-docviewer-app/imageComponent/+merge/160951
19:49:56 <Oranger> actually it can display PNG, JPG, BMP, SVG, ICO, TIFF
19:50:33 <Oranger> oh yes, i didn't see that
19:50:49 <Oranger> i fix it quickly
19:50:58 <mhall119> yeah, so since it's building binaries it needs to be "any" so it will build separate packages for i386, armhf, etc
19:51:01 <mhall119> thanks
19:51:27 <Oranger> yes I didn't think about that..
19:51:50 <mhall119> ok, so what's next?
19:52:00 <mhall119> Oranger: is there work still you think needs to be done on txt or image support?
19:52:53 <Oranger> Done.
19:53:14 <Oranger> mhall119: As I said you, we can add the zoom support
19:54:04 <Oranger> mhall119: But I need to see with the ubuntu-components team if they add a way to zoom with gestures
19:54:16 <mhall119> yeah, that would be good, can we give you a work item to investigate that?
19:54:29 <Oranger> mhall119: Yes of course :)
19:54:57 <mhall119> cool
19:55:09 <Oranger> mhall119: For the text component I don't know
19:55:20 <mhall119> popey: who was going to look into using Calligra stuff for office docs?
19:55:21 <Oranger> mhall119: We can always add new features
19:55:30 <popey> hmm
19:56:05 <popey> not sure, give it to me and I'll look at it
19:56:19 <mhall119> ok
19:57:14 <mhall119> ok, let's go with this list for now
19:57:27 <Oranger> mhall119: For pdf, I heard something about MuPDF ?
19:57:29 <popey> thanks mhall119
19:57:33 <mhall119> since you also may be working with Kaleo to re-implement your file stuff in the Ubuntu components
19:57:48 <mhall119> Oranger: yeah, we still need to get a +1 on using MuPDF over Poppler
19:58:07 <mhall119> I'll split those work items and mark the PDF ones as blocked
19:58:30 <Oranger> mhall119: Ok, because it will be a lot of work and to me for an app like "docviewer", display PDF is the most important component
19:59:09 <Oranger> (wow, is my sentence understandable ? ^^ )
19:59:31 <mhall119> Oranger: well if it's MuPDF, they may have QML components to make it easy for you
19:59:35 <mhall119> if it's Poppler.....I don't know
20:00:11 <Oranger> mhall119: What are differences between those two libraries ?
20:00:48 <mhall119> Oranger: Poppler is used on the desktop, is extensively tested for both quality and security, but uses Cairo and maybe other Gnome technologies
20:01:16 <mhall119> MuPDF is small and fast, has Qt support already (I think), but no public test suite and hasn't been audited by our security team
20:01:29 <Oranger> Ok, I see
20:01:37 <mhall119> so, pros and cons to both
20:02:01 <Oranger> for both there is a lot of work to do
20:02:07 <mhall119> we should have a definite answer next week though, because popey can corner people into a room and not let them out without an answer :)
20:02:15 <popey> heh
20:02:17 <popey> this is true
20:02:33 <mhall119> alright, anything else before we wrap up?
20:02:35 <Oranger> ahah, I didn't think popey is this dangerous !
20:02:47 <mhall119> he has (had) dangerous sideburns
20:03:21 <Oranger> I think not, so curently I'm the single one who is working on this app ?
20:03:22 <mhall119> also he's British
20:03:26 <mhall119> they sound charming, but beware
20:03:30 <Oranger> with popey and meetingology
20:03:34 <Oranger> *mh
20:03:39 <Oranger> * mhall119
20:03:42 <mhall119> Oranger: currently yes, I'm still trying to recruit more folks
20:03:50 <mhall119> will be blogging about it soon
20:04:07 <Oranger> mhall119: And and last one question
20:04:12 <mhall119> sure
20:04:44 <Oranger> We can now display images with docviewer, but in Ubuntu-touch, images will not be displayed by default by the Galery ?
20:05:07 <mhall119> not all of them, I wouldn't think
20:05:17 <mhall119> I have images on my laptop that I don't want in Shotwell
20:05:49 <Oranger> ok I see
20:05:55 <mhall119> I imagine the gallery to be more for photo-management
20:06:04 <mhall119> so pictures of the family
20:06:13 <Oranger> mhall119: Yes, that could be the best use :)
20:06:18 <mhall119> but not my lol-cats
20:06:21 <Oranger> last thing (again)
20:06:26 <mhall119> I mean, my serious pictures of serious things
20:06:51 <Oranger> here is a mockup of docviewer https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Document_viewer_step1.0.list
20:07:25 <popey> that looks more like a file navigator
20:07:30 <mhall119> that actually looks like it should be for the file manager app
20:08:04 <mhall119> which we have, and which largely works, and we should be able to use it to find files and have them open in the doc viewer
20:08:45 <mhall119> actually, let me take a work item to figure out how to get the two talking together
20:09:11 <Oranger> ok good, and if the docviewer is launched without a filename in the command line ?
20:09:51 <mhall119> also a good question....I don't know
20:09:57 <Oranger> ubuntu components do not have a dialog for select a file, right ?
20:10:10 <Oranger> it be really usefull for a lot of app I think
20:10:13 <Oranger> *could
20:10:23 <Oranger> and for docviewer so
20:10:38 <popey> yes they're working on the content picker workflow at the moment
20:10:41 <popey> its not finished
20:10:43 <mhall119> no, the SDK doesn't have anything to do that yet, and for security purpose it probably won't
20:10:58 <Oranger> ah, two informations ^^
20:11:15 <popey> saying the same thing ☻
20:11:25 <popey> no, we don't have it, yes we're working on it :0
20:11:27 <mhall119> so the security team is going to provide a content picker, which will be similar to but not exactly like a file picker
20:11:53 <mhall119> and will hve extra stuff in it to let an app access files it wouldn't normally be allowed to access, but only after the user is informed and agrees to allow it
20:11:56 <Oranger> Oh ok I see
20:12:45 <Oranger> because we could use it when the docviewer is launched without any documents to display
20:13:30 <mhall119> ok, we should wrap up and see if the filemanager guys are around
20:13:34 <mhall119> #endmeeting