19:11 <sabri-icone> #startmeeting futur ubuntu-tn
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19:11 <sabri-icone> #topic ubuntu-tn aujourd'hui
19:12 <sabri-icone> #subtopic problèmatique
19:12 <sabri-icone> d'abord, salem alikom enness elkol
19:12 <ounis> salem
19:12 <geekette86> salem
19:12 <sabri-icone> on va commencer par discuter les problèmes que rencontre ubuntu-tn aujourd'hui
19:12 <T_Aloui> Salut
19:12 <sabri-icone> biensûr, chacun est libre de dire ce qu'il pense et on à le papad aussi pour quelques idées
19:13 <sabri-icone> le plan serait comme suit, 1- on discute des problème, 2- on va discuter les solutions probable, puis on va lancer une vote sur les solutions
19:14 <geekette86> (y)
19:14 <sabri-icone> et on fait conclure avec les dates et la faisabilité de chaque solution, si quelqu'un a une autre idée il peut nous dire avant de commencer
19:15 <sabri-icone> ok, on commence..
19:15 <sabri-icone> je vais lister quelques problèmes déjà sur le papad pour faire vite
19:15 <sabri-icone> http://papad.org/p/metting-ubuntu
19:16 <sabri-icone> -Discuster les points fort et les points faible dans la communauté ubuntu-tn (passé/présent) et prendre des décisions strictes par rapport au futur. -Restructurer la communauté et supprimer la notion des MC/FF -Trouver une forme de récompense ( points ou autres pour les membres actifs), dans n'importe quel domaine ou n'importe quel façon de participation -Penser à instaurer une règle de conduite!  -Suivre le c
19:17 <sabri-icone> 1- vue qu'on va discuter les problèmes donc on va commencer par les points faible de la communauté "ubuntu-tn", pourquoi on a un grand frein
19:17 <sabri-icone> qui veut commencer?
19:18 <sabri-icone> #idea point-faible-ubuntu-tn
19:18 <sabri-icone> #info attente-proposition-membre
19:20 <sabri-icone> Vous êtes toujours là?
19:20 <sabri-icone> #info aucune restriction de langue... vous pouvez parler, français tunisien arabe ou anglais
19:21 <sabri-icone> l'important est de participer
19:21 <geekette86> oui pour moi the main problem is how to stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days
19:22 <sabri-icone> ok, je note ça
19:23 <geekette86> we need event team i think
19:23 <sabri-icone> #idea  how to stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days
19:23 <geekette86> not organizing team
19:23 <sabri-icone> #idea  need event team
19:23 <geekette86> people who will be able to go and animate workshop
19:24 <geekette86> and that is can be even more then one team
19:24 <sabri-icone> yeah, actually that's the main problem... who's or who can maintin this
19:24 <sabri-icone> exactly
19:24 <geekette86> for example 10 members in event team
19:24 <sabri-icone> #idea more team not restricted to area
19:24 <geekette86> if 5 can't do it we still have 5
19:25 <sabri-icone> yeah, no restriction to be instaured
19:26 <geekette86> who can't say "we cant go" because they 'commit' that they will be an event team
19:26 <geekette86> si fhemtouni
19:26 <sabri-icone> oui, fehemtek
19:27 <geekette86> w chaque region
19:27 <geekette86> fiha team
19:27 <sabri-icone> more well organized team, but the main problem still same... need people who can do it
19:27 <sabri-icone> oui,
19:27 <geekette86> tunis,sousse,sfax,gabes(puisque akther blayess fiha membres)
19:27 <sabri-icone> de préférence nahkiw ken fel machekal, bch baad yebda rapport wadheh
19:27 <geekette86> sabri-icone: seems that we rae the only ones here xD
19:28 <sabri-icone> yeah
19:28 <geekette86> if you are present people
19:28 <sabri-icone> anis is here but he's not talking
19:28 <geekette86> poke
19:28 <ounis> just
19:28 <sabri-icone> elacheche_anis:
19:28 <ounis> reading
19:28 <sabri-icone> lubotu3:
19:28 <sabri-icone> ounis:
19:28 <sabri-icone> sabri-icone:
19:28 <elacheche_anis> sabri-icone: lubotu3 is a bot :)
19:28 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui:
19:28 <sabri-icone> hh, aya béhi
19:28 <sabri-icone> ubuntulo12:
19:28 <sabri-icone> meetingology:
19:28 <sabri-icone> MedAmine:
19:28 <elacheche_anis> ubuntulo12 & meetingology as well :)
19:28 <sabri-icone> yeah, it was a big finger
19:29 <sabri-icone> ChanServ:
19:29 <sabri-icone> chaker:
19:29 <sabri-icone> some people has name near to bots, sorry
19:29 <ounis> lol
19:29 <sabri-icone> people here, could you participate please
19:29 <ounis> sure
19:30 <MedAmine> hello :) was just reading what I missed ..
19:30 <sabri-icone> as we say, this is an open event everyone need to participate we are community, friends and from same country so please dont miss this opportunity
19:30 <T_Aloui> hi again
19:30 <T_Aloui> I was just reading :p
19:30 <sabri-icone> nop
19:31 <T_Aloui> so sorry again :p
19:31 <sabri-icone> we are discussing about ubuntu--tn porblem
19:31 <sabri-icone> problem*
19:31 <ounis> to be honest I'm failing to follow any community activities due to (I know it's not an excuse) professional and familial engagements, I'm lazy too
19:31 <ounis> I guess it's common with lots of people sympathizing with the community
19:31 <sabri-icone> ounis: nop ounis... it's same for everyone but we want to discuss community problem it's better
19:32 <sabri-icone> when someone loves things but can't got them it's not that things but his own, so we can't blame him
19:32 <geekette86> so return to main problem
19:32 <ounis> that's an issue IMHO because no interest in community activity is a problem
19:32 <geekette86> i said my point
19:32 <sabri-icone> the idea is to discuss ubuntu-tn issue and only ubuntu-tn without thinking that someone is cause of that
19:33 <sabri-icone> that must help us to find solution after
19:33 <ounis> kay
19:33 <geekette86> if u have a point ounis can you say it
19:33 <geekette86> u will help us
19:34 <geekette86> second problem benessbaliya
19:34 <geekette86> elli les etudiants yel9aw sou3ouba fi fehmen
19:35 <geekette86> methodology
19:35 <geekette86> te3 kifech ye3mel event
19:35 <geekette86> ML w communication ...
19:35 <sabri-icone> #idea les étudiant ne comprend pas le principe de création d'évènement
19:36 <geekette86> donc lezem formule simple
19:36 <geekette86> Tic Tac
19:36 <sabri-icone> momken hedha yji mel manque de communication fel évenement fi had thato
19:36 <MedAmine> geekette86: could you please elaborate more on that idea ?
19:36 <T_Aloui> could u please not use many abbreviations :p ?
19:36 <sabri-icone> donc, manque d'information ou de communication pendant les évènements
19:36 <geekette86> MedAmine: OK SORRY
19:37 <sabri-icone> #idea manque d'information ou de communication pendant les évènements
19:37 <sabri-icone> MedAmine: yu don't have to be sorry man, as i say we are friend here dont worry
19:37 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui: ok, i think that' this also an issue for newbies hhh
19:38 <T_Aloui> yh :p xD
19:38 <sabri-icone> #idea problème avec les abréviation peut causer une certaines ignorance chez les newbies
19:39 <sabri-icone> ounis: T_Aloui MedAmine , des idées?
19:39 <ounis> nop
19:39 <sabri-icone> qui peut relever des problèmes de sont côté?
19:39 <sabri-icone> vous pensez que certains frein sont visible et peuvent empêcher l'évolution d'ubuntu-tn
19:40 <T_Aloui> - lack of media efficiency ( I don't know how to put it :p )
19:40 <MedAmine> Well I am still waiting for geekette86 to explain more what she means with a simple formula ..
19:40 <T_Aloui> I mean not much people know wht ubuntu-TN is about
19:41 <geekette86> student in general don't know how they can ask for event
19:41 <geekette86> they just drop message in FB or mail without many informations
19:42 <geekette86> so if we had a kind of form that students fill it and then they send it to the ML
19:42 <geekette86> it will be easy for them
19:42 <T_Aloui> So the idea is that as a community we are not organizing soft-skills development workshops or sth like that, so that they would be able to contribute more efficiently in the community
19:42 <T_Aloui> That's wht I understood
19:43 <geekette86> and anis will stop explain every time how they should write an email xD
19:43 <sabri-icone> certains, nouveau vois que l'absence des évenement en ligne ou de ne pas a proximité des anciens membre est un problème par exemple
19:44 <T_Aloui> So we need more events : Workshops, soft-skills stuff, Team building (for exp we meet in a café and talk together), Media, newbies integration program
19:45 <sabri-icone> Certains trouve que l'abscence d'une calendrier et aussi un problème
19:45 <sabri-icone> we are not talking about solution
19:45 <sabri-icone> only problem
19:46 <T_Aloui> yh it just translates the need
19:46 <sabri-icone> yeah, but it's just to have a good report in the end
19:47 <sabri-icone> actually i'm reading the papad,
19:47 <sabri-icone> and reporting written problem
19:47 <sabri-icone> so, people think that the participation of just one member of the community is not motivating new member
19:47 <T_Aloui> in other words, there is no such real world friendships (I mean very close ones) between members which helps to build a strong community ( like MSPs or ISEF Egypt guys, they just are close friends when it comes to real life and that makes it easy to interact and work together)
19:48 <sabri-icone> #idea the participation of just one member of the community is not motivating new member
19:48 <sabri-icone> #idea there is no such real world friendships (I mean very close ones) between members which helps to build a strong community ( like MSPs or ISEF Egypt guys, they just are close friends when it comes to real life and that makes it easy to interact and work together)
19:48 <sabri-icone> #idea abscence d'une calendrier
19:49 <sabri-icone> for me, the main problem is that we still few people and moreover loosing people and no new member are joining community or becoming active
19:49 <T_Aloui> Lack of Newbies integration
19:49 <sabri-icone> #idea the main problem is that we still few people and moreover loosing people and no new member are joining community or becoming active
19:50 <sabri-icone> i think we already report the most recognised problem, we will start talking about probable solution
19:50 <MedAmine> Well since we're not going to event / organizing any no one will want to join ..
19:50 <sabri-icone> #subtopic solution-possible
19:51 <sabri-icone> comment rester visible tout le temps?
19:52 <sabri-icone> idée de geekette: stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days
19:52 <geekette86> event to show what we can do with Ubuntu
19:52 <MedAmine> it's not just about being visible "all the time"
19:52 <sabri-icone> pour moi, je vois tout les évènements qui passent sur la ML certe, je ne vois personne participer à part elacheche_anis, personnellement je suis loin de pouvoir me présenter
19:53 <geekette86> from server side to automotive industry
19:53 <T_Aloui> - Newbies integration system ( a team composed of experienced members, guides newbies and helps them enter to the community activities)
19:53 <sabri-icone> so, what we can do, i think this is the website but as mc was designed to do this nothing has been done
19:53 <sabri-icone> may be because everyone one is waiting of someone else's job
19:53 <T_Aloui> - More events
19:53 <sabri-icone> and this stay not resolved
19:54 <sabri-icone> donc pour moi, la première chose c'est de prendre l'idée de nizar
19:54 <T_Aloui> - Contact Medias to promote the community's events and use social networks
19:54 <T_Aloui> Groups ...
19:55 <geekette86> c koi l'idée de nizar dsl
19:55 <MedAmine> it's not just about 'more' events .. we need 'quality' events !
19:55 <sabri-icone> déjà faire un merge entre les sous groupe de ubuntu-tn, plus de mc ni de FF ou merger entre les deux et savoir diviser par région ou autre
19:55 <sabri-icone> nizar a dit de commencer par merger entre FF et MC
19:55 <MedAmine> what are exactly MC and FF ?
19:55 <sabri-icone> je trouve que depuis ce truc a commencer ça à déchirer la communauté
19:56 <geekette86> +1
19:56 <sabri-icone> donc plus de réunion privé ni de favorisation, on va rejouer les cartes pour le bien de ubuntu-tn
19:56 <geekette86> MC: manager community
19:56 <sabri-icone> FF freedom fighter
19:56 <geekette86> FF:freedom fighter
19:56 <sabri-icone> merci Geekette
19:57 <geekette86> +1000
19:57 <sabri-icone> #idea supprimer les limites, MC et FF
19:57 <geekette86> oui je suis pour plus des titres
19:57 <sabri-icone> l'autre idée que je le support bien et celui de geekette, avoir une ségrégation entre les membres
19:57 <geekette86> nous sommes tou des memebres
19:58 <sabri-icone> surtout quand c'est évenement lointain sans contrainte de nombre ou quoi que se soit
19:58 <sabri-icone> #agreed more people by region
19:59 <sabri-icone> une bonne nouvelle, c'est que pour la calendrier j'ai un modèle et qui peut vous être utile
19:59 <sabri-icone> http://www.agendadulibre.org/
19:59 <sabri-icone> c'est celle de la france, mais elle peut être fachement utile en tunisie!
20:00 <sabri-icone> #idea agenda du libre en tunisie
20:00 <sabri-icone> on peut proposer ça pour tout le monde et aussi crée la notre dans une site ubuntu et dans le wiki
20:01 <sabri-icone> alo
20:01 <MedAmine> +1 looks good to me :)
20:01 <geekette86> oui
20:01 <sabri-icone> non non ps de vote, je veut juste lire vos idée
20:01 <geekette86> donc aham points
20:01 <sabri-icone> la vote et à la fin
20:02 <geekette86> eni nrahom nekhdmou 3lihom
20:02 <geekette86> event bech nerj3ou le soura
20:02 <geekette86> site web
20:02 <T_Aloui> I propose a switch to linux campaign with a good media help and national events and workshops under the movement " Switch to linux"
20:02 <sabri-icone> #idea membre / région
20:02 <geekette86> FF & MC
20:03 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui: ceci doit être avec la collaboration des autes communauté
20:03 <T_Aloui> j'ai pas compris
20:03 <T_Aloui> ,
20:03 <T_Aloui> N
20:03 <T_Aloui> ?
20:03 <geekette86> T_Aloui: yep but it is really hard to get to the media
20:03 <sabri-icone> Geekette, on peut à la rigueur avoir une section membre/région dans le wiki
20:03 <T_Aloui> if we do great events, great workshops we can get the media
20:04 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui: idée généraliste sinon on doit dire switch 2 ubuntu
20:04 <T_Aloui> and we should be creative
20:04 <sabri-icone> c'est plus spécifique
20:04 <sabri-icone> #idea being more creating
20:04 <sabri-icone> #idea being more creative
20:05 <T_Aloui> creativity for exp : we talk with a gamer youtuber to play games on linux and help the linux gaming spread in tunisia ( I mean on ubuntu :p )
20:06 <T_Aloui> so that we change the idea that games on ubuntu suck
20:07 <sabri-icone> yeah, about creativity already there's more and more solution rather than games... games is the hardest argument, we can say the impossible one after the designer
20:08 <sabri-icone> we can talk about more others things, for game we just start with steam
20:08 <geekette86> students care a lot abt coding, system..
20:08 <T_Aloui> Well I'm with switch to linux movement as a name cuz once people recognize how awesome linux is, we start a 2nd step in the ubuntu promotion process
20:08 <geekette86> weekly videos will be awesome i think
20:08 <T_Aloui> yh
20:08 <T_Aloui> a new
20:09 <T_Aloui> Youtube channel for the community
20:09 <T_Aloui> where someone takes care of it
20:09 <geekette86> ping
20:09 <T_Aloui> and community members can post in it after a verification of some experienced members
20:10 <T_Aloui> from *
20:10 <geekette86> T_Aloui: +1
20:10 <sabri-icone> i would like to say, new member have to confident
20:10 <sabri-icone> and must be free to post what they want without limitation, of course only restriction must be to be out of topic
20:11 <T_Aloui> I didn't understand once again :p +1 ?
20:11 <sabri-icone> hh, okay
20:11 <sabri-icone> we have to motivate any reject with an argument
20:11 <sabri-icone> this is encouraging people to contribute and being responsible
20:12 <sabri-icone> another thing is to help people to find the positive point of being member of a community
20:12 <sabri-icone> i already have a lot of them
20:12 <T_Aloui> yh that's important
20:12 <T_Aloui> !
20:12 <T_Aloui> cuz for exp many of my friends wanna be MSPs
20:12 <T_Aloui> yet
20:12 <T_Aloui> I don't want to cuz I believe in the ubuntu TN goals
20:13 <T_Aloui> and I personnaly don't care about the benifits from the community as long as I believe in them
20:13 <sabri-icone> yeah, it's human
20:13 <T_Aloui> however for someone new :/ and that wants benifits, it would be hard to convince him :/
20:13 <sabri-icone> people need to know need to grow
20:13 <sabri-icone> at all, at MSP they didn't have anything
20:14 <sabri-icone> i will explain to you
20:14 <sabri-icone> MSP will access to some of microsoft book and product, this product are already payable
20:14 <sabri-icone> you need to buy them if you are not a member,
20:15 <sabri-icone> in linux, you dont pay aything already
20:15 <sabri-icone> hhh
20:15 <sabri-icone> so no need to be member to access to that, there's no sens
20:15 <sabri-icone> but with community you can share knowledge
20:15 <sabri-icone> know people
20:15 <sabri-icone> have friend, surpass your fear
20:16 <sabri-icone> there's more than our simple life, communication is a big offer
20:16 <sabri-icone> and friends is best and more
20:16 <nizarus> nous avons beaucoup de success storys d'anciens membres de la communaut� (trouver un job, lancer une startup, ...)
20:16 <nizarus> mais le probl�me de u-tn c'est que nous n'avons pas de traces de �a
20:17 <nizarus> c'�tait le probl�me de u-tn depuis le d�but : �crire pour garder des traces
20:17 <T_Aloui> yh what if u're already a member :p You will have free access to MS products, and also softwares in Windows are much better in quality, also there are many high quality games that run only on linux, also in MSP I can learn leadership skills and a lot of MSPs are having success storys and working abroad and they're pretty successful + a lot of other advantages
20:17 <sabri-icone> #idea instaurer les success story de u-tn
20:17 <RachedTN> ping
20:18 <sabri-icone> RachedTN: ahla bik
20:18 <RachedTN> wbik akther :)
20:18 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui: je ne suis pas du tout d'accord sur la qualité des produit... non pas du tout, pour les jeux oui
20:19 <T_Aloui> So I can have the same advantages of U-Tn with a lot of other advantages and also there are a lot of prizes offered by MS
20:19 <sabri-icone> MS prizes are not to MSP but to genius
20:19 <T_Aloui> # I am just testing ur respond to a newbie that doesn't know why to enter U-tn xD
20:20 <sabri-icone> and you can get more and more prizes in open source, not especially in ubuntu but in any others linux distribution, just search and get
20:20 <sabri-icone> elacheche_bedis is the best example
20:20 <sabri-icone> geekette86: is also a good example :D but she already win on imaginCup and she was not MSP!
20:21 <T_Aloui> so conclusion, we need to demistify a lot of things about ubuntu, make ubuntu tn membership benifits more visible and make u-tn success stories more visible
20:21 <sabri-icone> yea
20:22 <T_Aloui> guys pls u shouldn't think that my previous messages are out of real belief I'm just trying to come up with new ideas through imagining wht another person would think
20:22 <MedAmine> yeah good idea :)
20:22 <sabri-icone> nop, i understand
20:23 <sabri-icone> #agreed come up with new ideas through imagining wht another person would think
20:23 <sabri-icone> #idea ideas through imagining wht another person would think
20:24 <sabri-icone> deux points sont peut-être moins important mais des facteurs clé
20:25 <sabri-icone> est-ce que chacun présent ici peut participer a des réunion mensuel ou par quizaine dans le mm topic?
20:25 <geekette86> oui
20:25 <ounis> why not
20:25 <geekette86> Le Me
20:25 <sabri-icone> et le deuxième qui croit qu'il peut trouver des nouveau membre dans son entourage, même des lyciéens
20:25 <sabri-icone> on s'en fou de l'age, nous avons deux lycéen avant
20:26 <sabri-icone> donc si oui, quel fréquence vous préférer, quizaine, ou mensuel
20:26 <MedAmine> I was one when I joined :p
20:26 <T_Aloui> well I'm 15 years old
20:26 <T_Aloui> so it's obvious
20:27 <T_Aloui> I'm more interested in promoting u tn in high schools
20:27 <T_Aloui> cuz I'm active in that community
20:27 <sabri-icone> :p
20:28 <sabri-icone> it's also interresting to have a secondary school community
20:28 <T_Aloui> no I just meant it'd be easier for me to promote u-tn in high schools I think
20:28 <T_Aloui> :p
20:29 <geekette86> benessba liya elfatra hedhi chak15
20:29 <sabri-icone> ok
20:29 <sabri-icone> bon, mafema hata ando hkaya o5ra?
20:30 <T_Aloui> and I'm searching for guys in my high school that believe in the same project ( which we called "Switch to linux") and we hope to promote Linux and ubuntu in our high school then move to the active guys we know in Gabes
20:30 <T_Aloui> and I found some interesting ones
20:30 <T_Aloui> well guys
20:30 <T_Aloui> I have an event Dev Camp
20:30 <T_Aloui> and I want utn to be present
20:31 <T_Aloui> to help me achieve my personal goal ( " to promote ubuntu in my high school " )
20:31 <sabri-icone> you are ubuntu-tn member
20:31 <sabri-icone> so, we already have one
20:31 <sabri-icone> i think that we already have someone else
20:32 <sabri-icone> geekette86: you know some people from GabeS?
20:32 <T_Aloui> yh IK it's just that I want experienced ones to come and do that cuz they know more and can attract people
20:32 <T_Aloui> oh MY good buddy Naeil :p Hi :D
20:32 <geekette86> yes
20:32 <sabri-icone> we can work on this event, i think 2-3 people is suffificient
20:33 <T_Aloui> yh
20:33 <sabri-icone> someone for presentation and others to help members
20:33 <T_Aloui> Well I already sent full presentation in an email to the  mail list if u're interested in knowing more details :p
20:33 <sabri-icone> yeah
20:33 <sabri-icone> GFOSS?
20:34 <Na3iL> o/ @All sorry for the delay
20:34 <T_Aloui> hi there :D whussup :p ?
20:35 <Na3iL> fine T_Aloui thank you glad that you joined the meeting tonight :)
20:35 <sabri-icone> Na3iL: yu can look on this:
20:35 <sabri-icone> problem:  main problem is how to stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days student in general don't know how they can ask for event  probleme avec les short term les anciens ne sont plus disponible  ++++++++++++++ solution: ++++++++++++++ supprimer les limites, MC et FF agenda du libre en tunisie membre / région avoir une section membre/région dans le wiki being more creative instaurer les succes
20:37 <Na3iL> Well, IMHO to stay visible all the time we need to organize events, not only assist the events that are already organized by some clubs/communities..
20:39 <Na3iL> T_Aloui, I assume that you mentioned your event in Gabes right?
20:39 <MedAmine> exactly what I wanted to say .. we need to get to action not wait for others to invite us
20:40 <MedAmine> and one more thing .. it's not just about quantity .. we need quality
20:40 <sabri-icone> that's good
20:40 <sabri-icone> no blame about quality and quantity... we start asking for people to join us
20:41 <MedAmine> let's take the FOSSDAY event that happened today
20:41 <sabri-icone> join us join us
20:41 <sabri-icone> hhh
20:41 <sabri-icone> today !
20:41 <sabri-icone> where?
20:41 <MedAmine> I am talking about events quality .. I mean our events need to be well organized and prepared
20:41 <sabri-icone> yeah
20:41 <MedAmine> @Enit
20:41 <meetingology> MedAmine: Error: "Enit" is not a valid command.
20:42 <MedAmine> @ ENIT
20:42 <meetingology> MedAmine: Error: "ENIT" is not a valid command.
20:42 <MedAmine> at the ENIT .. event organized by G2Foss
20:43 <sabri-icone> i see yeah
20:43 <sabri-icone> strange, we already have some member there..
20:43 <sabri-icone> eu
20:43 <sabri-icone> euh
20:43 <sabri-icone> ok
20:44 <sabri-icone> a big event like that can be good to promote ubuntu and ubuntu-tn community
20:47 <sabri-icone> on va commencer la vote
20:47 <geekette86> ok
20:47 <MedAmine> I went there .. went well but not that successful ..
20:47 <sabri-icone> #vote supprimer les limites, MC et FF
20:47 <meetingology> Please vote on: supprimer les limites, MC et FF
20:47 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:47 <geekette86> +1
20:47 <meetingology> +1 received from geekette86
20:47 <nizarus> -1
20:47 <meetingology> -1 received from nizarus
20:47 <sabri-icone> #votesrequired 6
20:47 <meetingology> votes now need 6 to be passed
20:48 <MedAmine> +0
20:48 <meetingology> +0 received from MedAmine
20:48 <elacheche_anis> -1 We need to keep the structure like the international one..
20:48 <meetingology> -1 We need to keep the structure like the international one.. received from elacheche_anis
20:49 <sabri-icone> elacheche_anis: aucune idée de quoi tu parle, nous n'avons pas ça en france
20:49 <sabri-icone> au moins pour l'association il y a le AG pour respecter la loi, est encore.. aucune vote privé
20:50 <elacheche_anis> sabri-icone: https://community.ubuntu.com/community-structure/
20:50 <nizarus> il faut faire le m�nage dans les MC/FF pas supprimer les MC/FF
20:50 <nizarus> �tre FF et MC �a peut �tre une source de motivation :)
20:50 <sabri-icone> actuellement il parait de c'est un source de démotivation
20:50 <sabri-icone> http://papad.org/p/metting-ubuntu
20:51 <sabri-icone> pas mal ont quitté les activité a cause de ça
20:52 <sabri-icone> donc, actuellement il faut enlever les limites la structure n'est pas obligatoire c'est optionnel
20:52 <T_Aloui> delete( FF + MC);
20:52 <sabri-icone> notre but c'est d'avoir plus de membre et on peut alimenter cette notion après
20:52 <T_Aloui> add(motivational_stuff(points...));
20:52 <sabri-icone> de toute manière quand j'était membre elle n'y était pas
20:53 <sabri-icone> je voulais dire quand j'ai adhérer
20:53 <sabri-icone> ubuntu-tn
20:54 <elacheche_anis> sabri-icone: It was always there.. Years before you join the community sabri-icone :
20:54 <elacheche_anis> :)
20:55 <sabri-icone> i don't remember this sorry, FF and MC members has been elected by same member in 2012 i think
20:56 <sabri-icone> no matter, actualy it's one of main problem
20:56 <sabri-icone> and if something is not letting ubuntu-tn to live we have to delete it, we are not obliged to apply rule
20:57 <sabri-icone> we can have our rules, so our needs is to get active community
20:57 <sabri-icone> and motivated members
20:59 <sabri-icone> +1
20:59 <meetingology> +1 received from sabri-icone
21:01 <sabri-icone> we need one more vote
21:01 <sabri-icone> MedAmine:
21:01 <sabri-icone> ounis:
21:01 <sabri-icone> ChanServ:
21:01 <sabri-icone> chaker:
21:01 <MedAmine> already voted :)
21:01 <ounis> sorry was distracted
21:02 <sabri-icone> sorry
21:02 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui:
21:02 <T_Aloui> -1
21:02 <meetingology> -1 received from T_Aloui
21:02 <ounis> voting about what?
21:02 <T_Aloui> So after thinking
21:03 <sabri-icone> supprimer les limites, MC et FF
21:03 <ounis> +1
21:03 <meetingology> +1 received from ounis
21:03 <ounis> meetingology shut up
21:03 <meetingology> ounis: Error: "shut" is not a valid command.
21:03 <sabri-icone> hhh ounis
21:03 <ounis> meetingology list
21:03 <meetingology> ounis: Admin, Channel, Config, MeetBot, Misc, NickAuth, NickCapture, Owner, and User
21:04 <sabri-icone> #endvote
21:04 <meetingology> Voting ended on: supprimer les limites, MC et FF
21:04 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:3 Abstentions:1
21:04 <meetingology> Motion denied
21:04 <sabri-icone> #vote agenda du libre en tunisie
21:04 <meetingology> Please vote on: agenda du libre en tunisie
21:04 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
21:04 <T_Aloui> I believe we should still use FF MC thing, without changing the structure cuz it's a motivation for members + we just change a bit the way that structure works
21:04 <sabri-icone> #votesrequired 6
21:04 <meetingology> votes now need 6 to be passed
21:05 <elacheche_anis> T_Aloui: Motion denied → We keep the actual structure
21:05 <sabri-icone> bref, on est entrain de voter...
21:06 <T_Aloui> let's, instead of changing the structure just change the way we work
21:06 <T_Aloui> recruit members
21:06 <T_Aloui> and solve the other stuff
21:06 <sabri-icone> nous avons 3/3 sur l'idée N1 donc je vais lancer une appel sur la ML après
21:06 <elacheche_anis> +0 A calendar is good, but finding contributors to contribute to the calendar events is a hard thing to do.. That's a challenge..
21:06 <meetingology> +0 A calendar is good, but finding contributors to contribute to the calendar events is a hard thing to do.. That's a challenge.. received from elacheche_anis
21:06 <T_Aloui> I don't think that FF and MC thing would hold people from participating in u-tn activities
21:07 <T_Aloui> could u tell me what's the exact work of FF and MC ( in detail ) and how they're elected or accepted
21:07 <T_Aloui> :p
21:07 <T_Aloui> ?
21:07 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui: j'ai déja deux preuve que des personnes ont arrêté leurs participation a cause de ça
21:07 <T_Aloui> I wanna know more ( IK a bit but not that much about them)
21:07 <sabri-icone> donc, comme j'ai on vote
21:07 <sabri-icone> on a déjà discuté ça
21:07 <sabri-icone> +1
21:07 <meetingology> +1 received from sabri-icone
21:08 <sabri-icone> refuser une idée juste pour le faite qu'on a personne pour le faire ne fait pas avancer les choses...
21:08 <sabri-icone> on vote pour l'idée, la faisaibilité de l'idée et déjà une autre idée totalement différente
21:09 <sabri-icone> geekette86:
21:09 <sabri-icone> meetingology:
21:09 <sabri-icone> MedAmine:
21:09 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui:
21:09 <sabri-icone> ounis:
21:09 <sabri-icone> nizarus:
21:09 <MedAmine> +1 we already have a cal we need to update it
21:09 <meetingology> +1 we already have a cal we need to update it received from MedAmine
21:09 <sabri-icone> ChanServ:
21:09 <sabri-icone> chaker:
21:09 <sabri-icone> big finger, i'm always typing wrongs names..
21:10 <sabri-icone> we have only three votes...
21:10 <geekette86> +0
21:10 <meetingology> +0 received from geekette86
21:10 <ounis> 0
21:10 <meetingology> 0 received from ounis
21:12 <sabri-icone> ounis: saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel
21:12 <ounis> meetingology knew what I said
21:12 <meetingology> ounis: Error: "knew" is not a valid command.
21:12 <ounis> dumbshit
21:13 <sabri-icone> hhh
21:15 <sabri-icone> MedAmine: wink
21:15 <MedAmine> already voted :'(
21:16 <sabri-icone> okay sorry
21:16 <sabri-icone> #endvote
21:16 <meetingology> Voting ended on: agenda du libre en tunisie
21:16 <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3
21:16 <meetingology> Motion denied
21:17 <sabri-icone> #vote membre / région
21:17 <meetingology> Please vote on: membre / région
21:17 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
21:18 <sabri-icone> #votesrequired 6
21:18 <meetingology> votes now need 6 to be passed
21:18 <sabri-icone> +1
21:18 <meetingology> +1 received from sabri-icone
21:18 <sabri-icone> T_Aloui: MedAmine ounis nizarus elacheche_anis geekette86 chaker
21:18 <MedAmine> what are we voting about exactly ?
21:19 <geekette86> +1
21:19 <meetingology> +1 received from geekette86
21:19 <nizarus> +1
21:19 <meetingology> +1 received from nizarus
21:19 <elacheche_anis> 0
21:19 <meetingology> 0 received from elacheche_anis
21:22 <sabri-icone> ya MedAmine chnowa tabaa fi match?
21:22 <T_Aloui> guys bye :p
21:23 <MedAmine> [22:18] <MedAmine> what are we voting about exactly ?
21:23 <sabri-icone> membre / région, on crée une liste ou autre... ou même juste on aurait conscience que les membres participe plutôt dans leur région, ceci permet mieux de gérer les évènement
21:23 <sabri-icone> proposition de geekette86
21:24 <sabri-icone> bon, apparement on a pas assez de personne ici déjà
21:24 <sabri-icone> #endvote
21:24 <meetingology> Voting ended on: membre / région
21:24 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
21:24 <meetingology> Motion denied
21:24 <sabri-icone> #vote being more creative
21:24 <meetingology> Please vote on: being more creative
21:24 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
21:24 <sabri-icone> +1
21:24 <meetingology> +1 received from sabri-icone
21:25 <geekette86> +1 (we need to figure out how)
21:25 <meetingology> +1 (we need to figure out how) received from geekette86
21:26 <MedAmine> +1
21:26 <meetingology> +1 received from MedAmine
21:26 <nizarus> +1
21:26 <meetingology> +1 received from nizarus
21:26 <elacheche_anis> +1
21:26 <meetingology> +1 received from elacheche_anis
21:29 <sabri-icone> #endvote
21:29 <meetingology> Voting ended on: being more creative
21:29 <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
21:29 <meetingology> Motion denied
21:32 <MedAmine> what else is on our to do list ?
21:32 <sabri-icone> instaurer les success story de u-tn ideas through imagining wht another person would think frequence des réunion (15/1mois)
21:32 <sabri-icone> #vote instaurer les success story de u-tn
21:32 <meetingology> Please vote on: instaurer les success story de u-tn
21:32 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
21:33 <geekette86> +1
21:33 <meetingology> +1 received from geekette86
21:33 <MedAmine> +1 maybe keep a record somewhere on the wiki ?
21:33 <meetingology> +1 maybe keep a record somewhere on the wiki ? received from MedAmine
21:33 <elacheche_anis> +1
21:33 <meetingology> +1 received from elacheche_anis
21:34 <sabri-icone> +1
21:34 <meetingology> +1 received from sabri-icone
21:35 <sabri-icone> #endvote
21:35 <meetingology> Voting ended on: instaurer les success story de u-tn
21:35 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
21:35 <meetingology> Motion denied
21:35 <sabri-icone> #vote more ideas through imagining what another person would think
21:35 <meetingology> Please vote on: more ideas through imagining what another person would think
21:35 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
21:35 <sabri-icone> +1
21:35 <meetingology> +1 received from sabri-icone
21:36 <elacheche_anis> 0
21:36 <meetingology> 0 received from elacheche_anis
21:36 <elacheche_anis> I don't understand that..
21:37 <MedAmine> +0
21:37 <meetingology> +0 received from MedAmine
21:37 <sabri-icone> geekette86:
21:37 <geekette86> 0
21:37 <meetingology> 0 received from geekette86
21:38 <sabri-icone> #endvote
21:38 <meetingology> Voting ended on: more ideas through imagining what another person would think
21:38 <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3
21:38 <meetingology> Motion denied
21:38 <sabri-icone> #vote frequence des réunion (15/1mois)
21:38 <meetingology> Please vote on: frequence des réunion (15/1mois)
21:38 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
21:39 <MedAmine> +1 15j
21:39 <meetingology> +1 15j received from MedAmine
21:39 <elacheche_anis> 0
21:39 <meetingology> 0 received from elacheche_anis
21:39 <geekette86> 0
21:39 <meetingology> 0 received from geekette86
21:40 <elacheche_anis> I'll be here whenever there is a meeting, I'm already here all month long
21:40 <sabri-icone> thanks elacheche_anis
21:40 <sabri-icone> #endvote
21:40 <meetingology> Voting ended on: frequence des réunion (15/1mois)
21:40 <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
21:40 <meetingology> Motion denied
21:42 <sabri-icone> bon on a finie
21:43 <sabri-icone> #info meeting end
21:44 <elacheche_anis> there is endmeeting command
21:44 <sabri-icone> #info thanks for everyone participated in this meeting, i'm glade of this
21:44 <sabri-icone> i know,
21:44 <sabri-icone> i need to talk more, i think this must be in the report
21:45 <geekette86> thx
21:45 <geekette86> all
21:45 <sabri-icone> Donc, un mail sera envoyé sur la ML avec le résultat des votes (pour contre, abstention)
21:46 <sabri-icone> pour que ceux qui ne nous ont pas honoré par leur présence aurons cette information, je vais voir avec anis si on doit mettre le wiki avec ça
21:46 <sabri-icone> Sinon, encore merci et bonne soirée à tout le monde
21:46 <sabri-icone> #endmeeting