19:03 <rbasak> #startmeeting Technical Board 19:03 <meetingology> Meeting started at 19:03:50 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology 19:03 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick 19:04 <mwhudson> no we don't have an agenda i think 19:04 <rbasak> #topic Missing wiki 19:04 <rbasak> OK, so maybe that should be our first topic then. How/where do we want to manage our meetings now? 19:05 <seb128> there is a new wiki, I hope they have a backup of the recent content and just screwed something 19:05 <mwhudson> we could continue to use the new wiki or we could use discourse i guess 19:06 <rbasak> I'm not keen on moving to new Canonical-hosted infrastructure. They haven't been good stewards of essential Ubuntu infrastructure recently. Uptime has been poor, not accurately reported on status pages, and they ignore tickets. 19:06 <rbasak> Given we're being forced to make a choice, let's not rely any more on it than we have to for the time being please. 19:06 <seb128> either new wiki or discourse are Canonical hosted 19:07 <seb128> do you have an alternative? 19:07 <rbasak> Maybe a Google doc? 19:07 <rbasak> I'm open to more suggestions. 19:08 <rbasak> I just have far more confidence that a Google doc will be more reliable. 19:08 <seb128> also yes state of the Canonical infra sucks, $company-leads and $IS are well aware and trying to fix the situation, but that's not easy and they are understaffed so probably going to take a while before we see real improvements :/ 19:08 <seb128> is discourse unstable? it seems to be mostly working from my perspective but I'm not using it all day long 19:09 <rbasak> How about we agree to a Google doc as a very low effort, quick to set up alternative for the time being as a stop gap, while we figure out where to go after that, if anything? 19:09 <rbasak> Discourse has been better recently, but I used to see regular reports of it being unavailable. It's also dependent on Ubuntu SSO. 19:10 <seb128> I'm fine using Google Doc for now if we really distrust the Canonical infra at this point 19:10 <seb128> I know that's a topic being actively discussed, so while things get sorted out (hopefully) that would ok 19:10 <seb128> be ok 19:10 <mwhudson> google doc is fine, i think discourse is Reliable Enough (tm) tbh but i don't mind 19:10 <rbasak> If you both would prefer Discourse and are willing to drive getting something set up there, transferring the old agenda etc, then I'm OK with that. Personally I'd prefer a Google Doc for the time being. 19:11 <rbasak> The DMB agenda is on Discourse FWIW. 19:12 <rbasak> Let's make a decision and move on. I'm: 1) Google Doc; 2) Discourse. Please state your preferences and we'll go with the majority. 19:13 <mwhudson> i'm also fine with a google doc i guess. feels like a low stakes decision 19:13 <mwhudson> let's go with a google doc for now? 19:13 <rbasak> OK does anyone want to volunteer setting that up in time for the next meeting please? 19:13 <seb128> google doc until someone has time/energy to set up something in discourse and then we can revisit? 19:13 <rbasak> +1 19:14 <rbasak> This certainly doesn't need to be permanent. 19:14 <mwhudson> i am on leave for 50% of the time between now and next meeting so i'd rather not commit to things 19:16 <rbasak> #agreed We will use a Google Doc to manage the meeting as a stop gap until we have made a decision on where to go next 19:16 <meetingology> AGREED: We will use a Google Doc to manage the meeting as a stop gap until we have made a decision on where to go next 19:16 <rbasak> #action rbasak to set up Google Doc 19:16 * meetingology rbasak to set up Google Doc 19:16 <rbasak> #topic Mailing list posts 19:16 <rbasak> (without the agenda doc I'm just going with what I remember needs discussion) 19:17 <rbasak> #subtopic Aaron's suggestion on Easter Eggs 19:17 <mwhudson> you can see the actions from last meeting in the link i posted before the meeting started 19:17 <rbasak> Ah sorry OK. How about I do that after this topic? 19:17 <mwhudson> sure 19:18 <mwhudson> easter eggs > i don't know. i do think easter eggs like this should generally be discouraged. i don't know that an ubuntu TB proclamation helps in any way 19:18 <rbasak> So my opinion on this is that Ubuntu Developers already have the latitude to distro patch what they think is appropriate, especially from the perspective of user experience, so I'm not sure the TB needs to make a decision here. Consensus amongst Ubuntu developers should be fine, and maybe that's a discussion that should happen first. 19:19 <mwhudson> i think i agree 19:20 <rbasak> Any opinion Seb? 19:20 <seb128> Agreed 19:21 <seb128> I don't think the TB needs to rule on that 19:21 <rbasak> Anyone want to volunteer to reply to Aaron? 19:21 <seb128> I guess I can do that, you both already have action items and I don't have any atm :) 19:21 <rbasak> Thanks! 19:21 <seb128> np! 19:21 <rbasak> #action seb128 to reply to Aaron with the TB's agreed response 19:21 * meetingology seb128 to reply to Aaron with the TB's agreed response 19:22 <rbasak> #topic Action Items 19:22 <rbasak> michael to prod ernest internally to reply to Nick's comments 19:22 <rbasak> I saw some comments from Ernest I think 19:22 <mwhudson> i did this (about 12h ago) and he has commented. i haven't looked at the comments yet 19:22 <rbasak> ack 19:22 <rbasak> I think it's up to the SRU team to respond now, so nothing for the TB for the time being? 19:23 <rbasak> michael to draft a reply to the mail about extrepo for discussion 19:23 <mwhudson> i think so? 19:23 <mwhudson> i haven't done this yet, will try to do it before next meeting 19:23 <rbasak> #action (carried over) michael to draft a reply to the mail about extrepo for discussion 19:23 * meetingology (carried over) michael to draft a reply to the mail about extrepo for discussion 19:24 <rbasak> #topic Check up on community bugs and techboard bugs (standing item) 19:24 <rbasak> #info No new TB bug activity 19:24 <mwhudson> i guess the wiki backup has the links still ... 19:24 <rbasak> #info No new community bug activity 19:24 <mwhudson> but i don' tthink there has been any acitivty 19:25 <rbasak> FTR https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard and https://bugs.launchpad.net/techboard from my browser history 19:25 <rbasak> #topic AOB 19:25 <rbasak> AOB? Any other items from the missing agenda that I missed? 19:26 <mwhudson> i think the next meeting will be at 8am for me (between NZ summer time starting and UK summer time ending), which is a pretty awkward time 19:26 <rbasak> ack 19:26 <mwhudson> next meeting after that is during canonical roadmap sprint 19:26 <rbasak> teward: please let us know your availability; if neither of you two can make it, it'd be good to know in advance so we can skip 19:26 <mwhudson> the one after that is after uk summer time ends so will be 9am (a better time for me) 19:27 <rbasak> I guess we're done then. 19:27 <rbasak> #endmeeting