== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-meeting: Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team meeting, started by juliank, 29 Aug at 15:01 — 16:01 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-08-29-15.01.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning rounds ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:01.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-08-29   (juliank, 15:01)

=== Release incoming bugs ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:10.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:10)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:14)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:29)

=== Team proposed-migration report ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:37.

 * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:37)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:56.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * juliank (76)
 * schopin (8)
 * adrien (6)
 * r41k0u (4)
 * slyon (3)
 * waveform (3)
 * meetingology (2)
 * ginggs (2)
 * ravikant_ (2)
 * enr0n (1)
 * samirkamerkar (1)
 * ogayot (1)
 * danilogondolfo (1)



== Full log ==


 15:01 <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team

 15:01 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:01:33 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

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 15:01 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds

 15:01 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-08-29

 15:02 <adrien> \o

 15:02 <ginggs> o/

 15:04 <schopin> o/

 15:05 <slyon> o/

 15:10 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs

 15:10 <juliank> quite a few bugs today

 15:10 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:10 <juliank> bug 2077940

 15:11 <juliank> Now this should be resolved in the new dh-python as all other setup.py test failures however it seems they removed it rather than fixing it to run unittest discover

 15:12 <juliank> i.e. technically this builds now

 15:12 <waveform> would that only cover things using unittest, not other frameworks like pytest/nose/etc?

 15:12 <schopin> Better than doing nothing, I guess?

 15:12 <juliank> If you build-depend on a framework, that is automatically picked up

 15:13 <juliank> But I'm running a build now and we can revisit this later :D

 15:13 <juliank> Oh this also needs fixing for the autopkgtests regardless, they also use setup.py test

 15:13 <juliank> oh and that's where it was detected, I thought it was a rebuild

 15:14 <juliank> tagged

 15:14 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:14 <juliank> bug 2041830

 15:17 <juliank> That's like a how much do we care for our debugging toolchain to work for .text free libraries

 15:17 <juliank> i.e. data .so

 15:17 <juliank> upstream doesn't have a patch for it either

 15:18 <r41k0u> there was an RFC - https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2020-May/168767.html, but I don't think this was merged

 15:18 <juliank> I'm inclined to decline this and tag is rls-nn-notfixing

 15:19 <enr0n> that seems reasonable

 15:19 <waveform> libicudata is fairly widely used ... perhaps worth patching libicudata to at least make gdb useable with its rev-deps?

 15:19 <juliank> Could add an empty .txt section perhaps

 15:19 <juliank> .text

 15:20 <juliank> Add a dummy function in a c file and link it in

 15:21 <adrien> does it still happen with current libicudata?

 15:21 <juliank> I

 15:21 <schopin> Does it matter?

 15:21 <juliank> I will add an icu task for further investigation

 15:21 <adrien> if it doesn't, we don't need to patch the library (and I would expect it doesn't)

 15:23 <r41k0u> The libicudata triggering this issue is bundled with teamviewer, so we can't change it

 15:23 <adrien> do we know the version of libicudata that teamviewer ships?

 15:23 <schopin> ANd I don't feel like SRU-ing a non-trivial patchset for that particular software.

 15:24 <juliank> We can check if our icu has the same issue perhaps

 15:24 <adrien> on sourceware, Qathy says "this issue seams to be triggered by libicudata.so.64, as with *very* similar source code using libicudata.so.59 I don't experience the issue."

 15:24 <waveform> indeed -- we should check if this actually affects our archive package. If so, probably worth patching, if not, leave it

 15:24 <juliank> fixing gdb for third-party binaries is pointless as they won't have debugging symbols anyway

 15:25 <schopin> The GDB bug seems to imply that you need to add a specific flag on Ubuntu.

 15:25 <schopin> Well, not implies, says so outright.

 15:25 <adrien> we're at libicudata 74 :D

 15:26 <juliank> let's move on

 15:26 <juliank> (I did not untag it)

 15:26 <juliank> bug 2077712

 15:26 <juliank> Curiously we do not have a pam_lastlog.so

 15:29 <juliank> tagged won't fix

 15:29 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:29 <juliank> bug 1987679

 15:34 <samirkamerkar> exit

 15:37 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report

 15:37 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs

 15:37 <ogayot> technically unrelated but I'm surprised to see that os-prober got synced from Debian on oracular

 15:38 <schopin> for those wondering, we ended up assigning the os-prober to mkukri

 15:38 <juliank> only two handful of things

 15:38 <juliank> um migrations

 15:38 <schopin> ugh, setuptools...

 15:39 <juliank> libxs-parse-keyword-perl remains with ogayot

 15:39 <juliank> dracut remains with ginggs

 15:39 <juliank> twisted remains with dviererbe

 15:39 <juliank> * danilogondolfo

 15:39 <ravikant_> please leave wireless-tools to me

 15:39 <juliank> wireless-tools remains with ravikant_

 15:40 <ginggs> when will bdrung be back?  can we reassign dracut to him please?

 15:40 <juliank> I never reassign I just repeat the previous assignment

 15:40 <juliank> ginggs: I suggest discussing that with ravikant_ in private

 15:41 <ravikant_> bdrung is out sick.

 15:41 <slyon> danilogondolfo: shouldn't twisted be resolved via the bunch of syncs that we did? Do we need to trigger some additional tests?

 15:42 <juliank> but maybe it can wait

 15:42 <juliank> libobject-pad-perl remains with dbungert

 15:42 <juliank> libselinux, libsemanage are merely waiting

 15:42 <juliank> setuptools is a mess

 15:42 <danilogondolfo> slyon, those syncs resolved 3 other excuses. There is one last excuse cause by some gstreamer depds missing for libervia-backend. And the problem seems to only happen with the new twisted...

 15:43 <slyon> I see.

 15:43 <juliank> setuptools is mostly down to setup.py test being removed and the autopkgtests calling that

 15:43 <juliank> so the patch is repkacing $python setup.py test with $python -m unittest discover

 15:44 <juliank> setuptools vs guessit r41k0u

 15:45 <juliank> setuptools vs isodate: levihackerman

 15:46 <juliank> setuptools vs macsyfinder: chrisccoulson

 15:46 <juliank> setuptools vs mailman-hyperkitty sespiros

 15:46 <juliank> setuptools vs manuel mwhudson

 15:46 <juliank> setuptools vs pocketsphinx-python paride

 15:47 <juliank> setuptools vs prometheus-xmpp-alerts tobhe

 15:47 <juliank> setuptools vs pylint: andersson123

 15:48 <juliank> setuptools vs python-mpegdash: rkratky

 15:48 <juliank> setuptools vs python-precis-i18n: adrien

 15:50 <juliank> setuptools vs python-stopit: uralt

 15:51 <juliank> setuptools vs python-svg.path: pushkarnk

 15:51 <juliank> setuptools vs ros2-colcon-core: waveform

 15:52 <juliank> setuptools vs scikit-build: slyon

 15:53 <juliank> setuptools vs software-properties: I tagged the bug already

 15:53 <juliank> setuptools vs supervisor: vpa1977

 15:55 <juliank> setuptools vs tryton-client zhsj

 15:56 <juliank> setuptools vs tryton-proteus: mateus-morais

 15:56 <juliank> And that wraps up the migration

 15:56 <juliank> #topic AOB

 15:56 <juliank> Hurry up it's late!

 15:56 <r41k0u> the libicudata we maintain has a .text section - also found this: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2020-May/168733.html

 15:57 <juliank> so we can close that bug

 15:57 <juliank> or rather tag it notfixing

 15:58 <r41k0u> right

 16:00 <juliank> I added an apport task and tagged that todo

 16:01 <juliank> #endmeeting



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