== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-meeting: Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team meeting, started by juliank, 08 Aug at 15:02 — 16:00 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-08-08-15.02.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning rounds ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:02.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-08-08/   (juliank, 15:02)

=== Release incoming bugs ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:13.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:13)
 * ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~arsenal-devel/arsenal/2.x   (bdmurray, 15:18)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:22)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:33)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:33)

=== Team proposed-migration report ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:33.

 * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:34)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:51.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * juliank (95)
 * schopin (10)
 * bdmurray (10)
 * tobhe (9)
 * bdrung (7)
 * enr0n (7)
 * ravikant_ (4)
 * meetingology (2)
 * ginggs (2)
 * upils (1)
 * mateus-morais (1)
 * zhsj (1)
 * paride (1)
 * ogayot (1)



== Full log ==


 15:02 <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team

 15:02 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:02:36 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

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 15:02 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds

 15:02 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-08-08/

 15:03 <upils> o/

 15:04 <mateus-morais> seems like a meeting topic made its way to the channel topic lol

 15:05 <schopin> o/

 15:05 <juliank> Fixing topic shortly

 15:06 <bdmurray> bdrung: Where did you run your "archive query"?

 15:06 <bdrung> bdmurray, Code and resulting database can be found on https://github.com/bdrung/bdrung-scripts/tree/lp-2075337-find-affected

 15:07 <bdrung> bdmurray, the test is run in a schroot container

 15:07 <bdmurray> bdrung: but you ran it in your "office"?

 15:07 <bdmurray> I just wonder if there is a better spot closer to a mirror / the archive to do queries like that

 15:08 <bdrung> bdmurray, the package installation is where the most time is spent (not the dowloading the packages)

 15:09 <bdrung> bdmurray, "select avg(install_duration) from package_affected;" gives me 2.75078125768356 (seconds)

 15:09 <bdmurray> bdrung: okay

 15:10 <bdrung> it is running on my desktop with an apt-cache-ng in between + all writes on tmpfs overlays

 15:12 <juliank> alright moving on

 15:13 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs

 15:13 <juliank> >#link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:13 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:13 <juliank> Now I don't quite know why bpftrace is showing up as unknown

 15:13 <juliank> but

 15:13 <juliank> bug 2069953

 15:13 <juliank> I filed it and forgot about it?

 15:15 <bdmurray> foundations-bugs is subscribed to the bpftrace package so it must be something with the reporting code

 15:15 <schopin> the ones filed by Adrien are probably ours too.

 15:16 <schopin> He tagged them.

 15:16 <juliank> So well yes libtracefs is also foundation-bugs

 15:16 <juliank> I guess the script did not pick up new subscribers since a while?

 15:17 <schopin> where does the code for the script live?

 15:17 <juliank> bdmurray: ^

 15:18 <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~arsenal-devel/arsenal/2.x

 15:18 <schopin> Oh wow. I would never have guessed that one :)

 15:18 <juliank> The others are bug 2062118 and bug 2062119

 15:19 <juliank> I guess we can take them all but also Adrien is out this month

 15:19 <schopin> He tagged them back in April, I think we just never noticed until now?

 15:20 <juliank> Well yes

 15:20 <juliank> But I guess he could fix them in September too

 15:20 <ravikant_> these were followup from the MIR

 15:21 <schopin> Anyway, I say add them to the backlog and let adrien follow up on them :)

 15:21 <juliank> I'll todo all three

 15:22 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:22 <juliank> bug 2075968

 15:23 <juliank> This sounds awkward but also not reproducible

 15:24 <juliank> It does seem _somehow_ the password was deleted for the user

 15:25 <enr0n> I can consistently reproduce this

 15:25 <schopin> is it through pam or passwd?

 15:26 <juliank> OK; then I guess can take this for further investigation

 15:26 <juliank> I guess we need to simply do a diff after the upgrade of a "broken vs after-passwd" and see what changed

 15:26 <enr0n> schopin: I think it's pam because it happens on graphical login, non-graphical, or attempting to use passwd to reset the password

 15:26 <juliank> And see if shadow file changed between upgrade

 15:27 <juliank> Sadly ugh this will fall on enr0n I guess

 15:27 <juliank> or we do "pair reproducing"

 15:27 <enr0n> I can try the "check if there is a diff" option.

 15:28 <enr0n> I don

 15:28 <juliank> bug 2075969

 15:28 <enr0n> I don't necessarily have time to try on a bunch of flavors. Help appreciated there

 15:29 <juliank> This seems like a bunch of effort to get right vs requiring multiple upgrades on old-releases IMO

 15:29 <juliank> this should say "to noble"

 15:30 <juliank> We'd need to do like upgrade tests for full desktop installs too

 15:30 <bdmurray> Our intent for years has been this upgrade path to work.

 15:30 <bdmurray> i.e. from K to N

 15:31 <bdmurray> or e.g.

 15:31 <juliank> So we need to restore the files from interim releases, then merge in any changes needed from .jammy/.mantic

 15:31 <bdmurray> And AFAIK there no issue with the interim releases between B and F

 15:32 <juliank> We can fix this but that's for after the point release I'd say

 15:32 <juliank> So I am going to tag it todo, this can be done next  pulse

 15:33 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:33 <juliank> empty

 15:33 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:33 <juliank> empty

 15:33 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report

 15:34 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs

 15:34 <juliank> ooh

 15:35 <juliank> py-openssl is with adrien but he's out the entire month, we probably should reassign it?

 15:35 <ravikant_> it is with anderson123 now

 15:36 <juliank> Where is that tracked?

 15:36 <juliank> The JIRA still says Adrien

 15:36 <ravikant_> *andersson123

 15:36 <ravikant_> there is an MP from andersson123 linked to update-excuse bug

 15:36 <juliank> I see

 15:36 <juliank> Well I'll reassign the jira

 15:37 <juliank> rust-defaults vs rustc is with dv

 15:37 <juliank> * dviererbe

 15:38 <juliank> glibc blocking linux-meta with schopin

 15:38 <juliank> it seems usbmuxd is unassigned

 15:38 <juliank> Ah it waits for a dependency

 15:39 <juliank> OK but that one needs an mir, so let just assign it, it requires checking with desktop on the MIR process or whatnot

 15:39 <zhsj> patches for the regression packages for golang-defaults/1.23 are on the way, no need to assign currently.

 15:40 <juliank> usbmuxd depends on libimobiledevice: mwhudson - quick check with desktop perhaps what's up with libmobiledevice

 15:41 <juliank> initramfs-tools blocking iproute2: bdrung probably wants this, but I'd be happy to assign to paride too

 15:42 <bdrung> juliank, this should resolve itself. i just retrigged the tests against the fixed initramfs-tools/0.142ubuntu31

 15:42 <juliank> ok

 15:42 <paride> ack, thanks bdrung

 15:42 <juliank> nvme-cli ftbfs paride

 15:42 <juliank> libxs-parse-keyword-perl remains with waveform

 15:43 <juliank> adduser vs show remains with tobhe

 15:43 <tobhe> ack

 15:43 <juliank> It seems we did not assign shadow vs itself

 15:43 <tobhe> i was assuming that's also with me

 15:44 <juliank> ack

 15:44 <juliank> I'll update the jira ticket

 15:45 <juliank> apt blocking systemd: juliank

 15:45 <juliank> Weird apt test suite failures

 15:46 <juliank> openssh blocking systemd I'll leave with enr0n

 15:46 <juliank> s/leave with/assign to/ :)

 15:46 <enr0n> juliank: ack

 15:46 <juliank> boost1.83

 15:47 <juliank> I think doing a blanket assign there

 15:47 <schopin> tobhe: on the shadow thing ping me if you need a hand, I sponsored the merge

 15:47 <schopin> juliank: I can take boost

 15:47 <tobhe> ok, thx! The adduser fallout is pretty obvious

 15:48 <juliank> boost1.83: schopin

 15:48 <juliank> ok if you want too

 15:48 <juliank> it seems badpkg

 15:48 <juliank> xfsdump: liushuyu

 15:49 <juliank> libheif: andersson123

 15:49 <juliank> zlib: doko?

 15:50 <juliank> I mean he uploaded it

 15:50 <ginggs> juliank: andersson123 already has pyopenssl

 15:50 <juliank> cmake is with vpa1977

 15:50 <juliank> ginggs: yes we sorted that out a while ago

 15:51 <juliank> golang-defaults is in progress and zhsj doesn't want it assigned

 15:51 <ginggs> juliank: so he gets libheif as well?

 15:51 <juliank> ginggs: ah I see

 15:51 <juliank> libheif: chrisccoulson_

 15:51 <juliank> #topic AOB

 15:52 <ogayot> I'll be off tomorrow

 15:52 <enr0n> bdmurray, juliank: bug 2058648 is going back in the milestone after all

 15:52 <bdrung> i'll be on vacation next week

 15:53 <juliank> enr0n: +1

 15:53 <juliank> Ah good we're playing Rush now

 15:54 <juliank> I'll refill my water and brb

 15:54 <tobhe> I could use some help with https://code.launchpad.net/~tobhe/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/470886 if any core dev has a few spare minutes ;)

 15:56 <juliank> Oh I don't know the differences that c paelzer pointed out so I'd want mwhudson to take a look at that

 15:57 <juliank> COVID update: It was like a solid black line on Tuesday on the self-test but it's barely visible now; all tests are same batch

 15:57 <tobhe> juliank: if you want an easier one I also have https://code.launchpad.net/~tobhe/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/467849

 15:58 <juliank> tobhe: Does this need the other one, though?

 15:58 <tobhe> no

 15:58 <juliank> Did you already add a metapackage in another seed?

 15:58 <tobhe> no

 15:58 <juliank> So we can't merge that, because it will break stuff?

 15:59 <juliank> It says they should be pulled in by a meta package where needed, so that should be done some way

 15:59 <tobhe> I think we can. It won't remove anything on working installations right?

 15:59 <tobhe> it isn't enough to make the machine work anyway

 15:59 <juliank> the packages will become auto-removable

 16:00 <juliank> they will be removed on release ugprades

 16:00 <juliank> Anyway we can continue this on the merge

 16:00 <juliank> #endmeeting



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