== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-meeting: Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team meeting, started by bdrung, 30 May at 15:03 — 16:08 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-05-30-15.03.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning rounds ===

Discussion started by bdrung at 15:03.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-05-30/45411/6   (bdrung, 15:03)

=== Release incoming bugs ===

Discussion started by bdrung at 15:17.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (bdrung, 15:17)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (bdrung, 15:40)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (bdrung, 15:51)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (bdrung, 15:52)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (bdrung, 15:53)

=== Team proposed-migration report ===

Discussion started by bdrung at 15:53.

 * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs   (bdrung, 15:53)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by bdrung at 16:07.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * bdrung (70)
 * adrien (14)
 * bdmurray (11)
 * schopin (6)
 * Skia (4)
 * meetingology (2)
 * ogayot (2)
 * enr0n (2)
 * mkukri (2)
 * zhsj (1)
 * dbungert (1)
 * dviererbe (1)



== Full log ==


 15:03 <bdrung> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team

 15:03 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:03:29 UTC.  The chair is bdrung.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

 15:03 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick

 15:03 <bdrung> #topic Lightning rounds

 15:03 <bdrung> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-05-30/45411/6

 15:05 <bdmurray> Skia: What was the kernel bug regarding autopkgtest that might have been related to bug 2063094?

 15:08 <bdmurray> adrien: There was a thought that bug 2056461 might be related to your unattended-upgrades bug.

 15:09 <Skia> there, you found it, sorry for the delay, I was busy posting my status late :/

 15:10 <Skia> (I also lost some time diving into adrien's new excuse page, it looks great!)

 15:10 <adrien> oh, that's a bit surprising

 15:10 <adrien> host kernel is 6.1.0-15-amd64

 15:11 <adrien> Skia: :)

 15:11 <bdmurray> I was seeing it on noble as was apw

 15:11 <adrien> it's not the first time I see that issue but I can't tell when was the first time

 15:11 <adrien> bdmurray: considering that seb had a very different backtrace, I wouldn't be surprised there are several bugs

 15:12 <bdmurray> Hrm, I'm not seeing bug 2056461 in the changelog for our linux package though...

 15:14 <adrien> also, I'll be running dbus-monitor for a while; we'll see if something changes from there

 15:14 <bdmurray> Skia: Could you check with the kernel team about the fix?

 15:15 <Skia> sure

 15:16 <bdrung> done with reading and ready to move on?

 15:17 <bdmurray> I've finished reading

 15:17 <bdrung> #topic Release incoming bugs

 15:17 <bdrung> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:18 <bdrung> bug #2066995

 15:18 <schopin> No oo incoming?

 15:18 <bdrung> (doing nn before oo)

 15:19 <bdrung> that bug needs triaging.

 15:20 <bdrung> schopin, could you have a look at it?

 15:21 <schopin> hem, that's a weird one?

 15:22 <bdrung> yes

 15:23 <bdrung> should we keep it in incoming until next week to have it triaged by then?

 15:23 <schopin> OK with me. I'll spend some time looking over the logs in details.

 15:24 <bdrung> ok. next: bug #2067120

 15:25 <bdrung> @bdmurray, i suggested a fix for what i could see. Can you test if that fixes it for you as well?

 15:25 <bdrung> IMO we can tag this one as foundations-todo

 15:25 <bdmurray> bdrung: I will test it today

 15:26 <bdrung> okay. tagged.

 15:27 <bdrung> bug #2063094

 15:31 <bdrung> this is the bug @Skia talked about previously

 15:32 <bdrung> should we tag it? it looks important enough to me and @adrien provided logs (i did not look into unattended-upgrades-bt.tar.xz)

 15:33 <ogayot> I also think we should tag it

 15:34 <bdrung> tagged

 15:34 <Skia> I think it's bdmurray that mentionned it, I don't have any context on this one, but I only know that it might be linked to LP#2056461 that I investigated from a very different angle

 15:34 <schopin> do we have enough to debug it?

 15:34 <bdmurray> Based of what adrien said I'm somewhat concerned issues are being conflated here

 15:35 <adrien> I'm a bit surprised with the stacks I've been seeing: I would have assumed they don't take CPU time

 15:36 <adrien> maybe the same operation fails repeatedly and is re-tried however

 15:36 <adrien> but I was also planning to wait for Julian to look at the traces before thinking more about the issue

 15:36 <bdrung> adrien, will you carry that bug forward?

 15:37 <bdrung> next: bug #2067071

 15:37 <bdrung> oh, i see "TypeError: apport_excepthook() missing 1 required positional argument: 'exc_tb'" in there

 15:38 <bdrung> the python stack trace looks simple enough to debug that. any objections to tagging it?

 15:38 <adrien> bdrung: no, I don't have time for that, especially since I'm not familiar with that and also since python-auth2client will be quite some work

 15:39 <bdmurray> Let's hold leave the uanttended-upgrades bug for next week then

 15:39 <bdmurray> enr0n: Are there any duplicates of bug 2067071?

 15:39 <enr0n> Yeah we should definitely take this. I wanted Julian's input on why the _cand would be None

 15:39 <enr0n> bdmurray: maybe, but I have not had time yet to go through all the recent bug reports

 15:40 <bdrung> tagged

 15:40 <bdrung> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:40 <bdrung> bug #2063204

 15:42 <bdrung> looks like there is a foundation discussion how to address it. objections to tagging it?

 15:45 <bdrung> tagged then.

 15:45 <bdrung> bug #1969394

 15:46 <bdmurray> that might be more desktop

 15:46 <bdrung> Seems more like an UI task that we can leave to the desktop team

 15:46 <bdrung> bug #2063467

 15:48 <bdrung> leaving it for next week for juliank to be back

 15:48 <bdrung> bug #2067350

 15:49 <bdrung> looks valid to me. schopin should we tag it?

 15:50 <schopin> as far as glibc is concerned I'm OK with this, but I'd like doko's ACK on it for the gcc part?

 15:50 <bdrung> schopin, can you get dokos response in the ticket? then let's keep it till next week.

 15:51 <bdrung> bug #2015538

 15:51 <bdrung> leave that to the desktop team

 15:51 <bdrung> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:51 <bdrung> bug #2041518

 15:52 <bdrung> that is for the desktop team as well

 15:52 <bdrung> bug #2041831

 15:52 <bdrung> same here

 15:52 <bdrung> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:52 <bdrung> nothing for foundations

 15:53 <bdrung> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:53 <bdrung> same here. nothing for foundations

 15:53 <bdrung> #topic Team proposed-migration report

 15:53 <bdrung> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs

 15:55 <adrien> I started on the python-oauth2client and I think removal is doable but it will take some time as revdeps are not updated in packages :/

 15:56 <bdrung> fwupd-efi: vorlon (carry over from last week)

 15:56 <bdrung> pyopenssl: adrien (carry over from last week)

 15:57 <bdrung> gcc-13-cross: vorlon (carry over from last week)

 15:57 <bdrung> libsub-override-perl: cpete (carry over from last week)

 15:58 <bdrung> ncurses: zhsj

 15:59 <bdrung> openssl vs nodejs: that screems adrien or should i pick someone else?

 15:59 <adrien> bdrung: "yeah"

 15:59 <zhsj> ack

 16:00 <bdrung> dracut: me

 16:00 <adrien> it's expected that openssl 3.2 will fix it

 16:00 <adrien> (IIUC)

 16:00 <bdrung> netplan.io: the netplan team

 16:01 <bdrung> systemd vs the rest of the world: enr0n (carry over from last week)

 16:02 <bdrung> cryptsetup: schopin

 16:02 <bdrung> curl vs nodejs: ogayot

 16:02 <ogayot> bdrung: ack

 16:03 <bdrung> sphinx: mkukri

 16:03 <mkukri> ack

 16:03 <bdrung> apt: juliank

 16:04 <mkukri> isnt juliank ooo?

 16:04 <bdrung> dhcpcd: dbungert

 16:05 <dbungert> ack

 16:05 <bdrung> juliank, is ooo but will be back next week

 16:06 <schopin> (belated ack for cryptsetup)

 16:06 <bdrung> lzo2: dviererbe

 16:06 <dviererbe> ack

 16:07 <bdrung> now reaching the fresh ones

 16:07 <bdrung> all that did not get one can be happv

 16:07 <bdrung> #topic AOB

 16:08 <bdrung> speak now or forever hold your peace

 16:08 <bdrung> #endmeeting



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