== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-meeting: Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team meeting, started by juliank, 14 Mar at 15:00 — 15:47 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-14-15.00.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning rounds ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:00.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-03-14/   (juliank, 15:00)

=== Release incoming bugs ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:13.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:14)

=== Team proposed-migration report ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:19.

 * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:19)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:40.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * vorlon (56)
 * juliank (30)
 * schopin (10)
 * bdmurray (10)
 * adrien (6)
 * upils (5)
 * bdrung (5)
 * mateus-morais (4)
 * enr0n (4)
 * ginggs (3)
 * meetingology (2)
 * zhsj (2)
 * ogayot (2)
 * slyon (2)
 * dbungert (2)
 * mkukri (2)
 * Skia (2)
 * cpete__ (2)
 * pushkarnk (2)
 * liushuyu (1)
 * waveform (1)
 * danilogondolfo (1)
 * xypron (1)



== Full log ==


 15:00 <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team

 15:00 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:00:38 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

 15:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick

 15:00 <ginggs> o/

 15:00 <zhsj> o/

 15:00 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds

 15:00 <ogayot> o/

 15:00 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-03-14/

 15:02 <liushuyu> o/

 15:02 <schopin> o/

 15:02 <slyon> o/

 15:02 <dbungert> o/

 15:03 <mateus-morais> o/

 15:04 <mkukri> o/

 15:04 <bdmurray> enr0n: is there somebody specific you want to review the polkit-1 change?

 15:05 <Skia> o/

 15:05 <enr0n> bdmurray: yes, I requested seb on the MP

 15:06 <upils> o/

 15:07 <bdmurray> I'd like to see a photo of "bug grooming"

 15:08 <vorlon> adrien: what specifically does openssl need to support wrt LTO?

 15:09 <upils> bdmurray, would "backlog grooming" be more appropriate?

 15:10 <bdmurray> IDK I just thought it'd be funny to groom a flea  / ant.

 15:10 <vorlon> do you have nits

 15:11 <adrien> \o

 15:11 <adrien> oh, DST, that's why, and I'll be not so available :/

 15:11 <adrien> but let me find that

 15:11 <schopin> vorlon: I think adrien meant something related to https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/18663

 15:12 <adrien> there are several issues, and at least a recent one with clang and ppc64el

 15:12 <adrien> it all revolves around aliasing

 15:12 <adrien> moreover I'm not sure it brings much performance for openssl

 15:12 <schopin> And it surely murder the build time :)

 15:13 <ginggs> bdrung: do you plan to sync libapache2-mod-python ?

 15:13 <juliank> let's move on

 15:13 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs

 15:13 <bdmurray> vorlon: Do you have experience w/ umockdev and the fake devices script in ubuntu-drivers-common?

 15:13 <vorlon> schopin: "glibc now treating C.UTF-8 the same way it does C" hmm in what way?  I did have a build failure I was debugging recently that was locale-sensitive

 15:14 <vorlon> (though I've forgotten which)

 15:14 <vorlon> bdmurray: sorry, I don't

 15:14 <bdrung> ginggs, yes. thanks for the reminder

 15:14 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:14 <juliank> bug 2054716

 15:14 <schopin> vorlon: AIUI it won't even look up translations if the locale is C

 15:14 <bdmurray> that's well in hand

 15:15 <vorlon> schopin: ah - that actually sounds related to the bug I saw

 15:15 <vorlon> good to know

 15:15 <juliank> enr0n: Should we just untag the bug or do you want it in jira?

 15:16 <enr0n> juliank: let's just untag it

 15:16 <juliank> ack

 15:16 <juliank> bug 2056562

 15:17 <juliank> I think we can actually just respin noble's shim-signed with Breaks: grub-common (= 2.12-1ubuntu3) for the few people affected by this

 15:17 <juliank> It's an ... unconventional use of Breaks, but it avoids order entanglement at upgrade

 15:19 <juliank> and that's it for incoming bugs nothing to see in other releases

 15:19 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report

 15:19 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs

 15:19 <juliank> vorlon:

 15:20 <vorlon> does the page load today? let's see

 15:20 <juliank> I find the issue with my proposed-migration is the runners are full so I don't have the results from last weeks items yet

 15:20 <vorlon> 450 packages needing attention

 15:20 <vorlon> libselinux was mentioned in somebody's status report I think?

 15:21 <schopin> adrien but he's AFK right now because DST

 15:21 <vorlon> ok

 15:21 <vorlon> so I'll leave libselinux with adrien

 15:21 <vorlon> waveform: you're still working on python-ldap?

 15:22 <waveform> yup

 15:22 <vorlon> is hyask not here?

 15:22 <vorlon> ah Skia

 15:22 <schopin> Skia: ^

 15:22 <vorlon> Skia: you're ok to follow through on libbsd vs gvmd?

 15:23 <vorlon> python-apt vs apt: juliank

 15:23 <juliank> I'm doing all the apt ones

 15:23 <vorlon> ack

 15:24 <vorlon> a lot of armhf autopkgtest failures there that need retried with --all-proposed, for sure

 15:24 <Skia> vorlon: yes, it's just been a moving target all the week, but I do plan on continuing to follow this

 15:24 <vorlon> mkukri: are you still on dnspython vs samba?

 15:24 <juliank> I'm kind trying to build the recursive list of dependencies and add them as triggers to avoid even more failures from all-proposed

 15:25 <mkukri> ack

 15:25 <vorlon> I had curl vs nettle assigned last week; this week it looks like curl vs libpsl.  anyway this is all tied into the time_t transition, and I'll follow up

 15:26 <vorlon> and on libpsl generally

 15:26 <vorlon> juliank: does 'all the apt ones' include apt blocking xz-utils on armhf?

 15:27 <vorlon> libtirpc: still with liushuyu ?

 15:27 <juliank> well, everything blocking apt 2.7.12->2.17.3ubuntu1

 15:27 <upils> that seems related yes. I am waiting for a restest to confirm

 15:27 <upils> *retest

 15:27 <vorlon> upils: sorry, which is that in response to?

 15:27 <juliank> apt blocking xz-utils is what upils retried earlier

 15:27 <upils> yes

 15:27 <vorlon> ah yes

 15:27 <vorlon> ok

 15:28 <juliank> Any apt/2.7.12 result needs retrying with apt/2.7.13 trigger

 15:28 <vorlon> bear in mind that for any autopkgtest failures on armhf specifically, they should be retested with --all-proposed because 99% are going to require this due to time_t

 15:28 <juliank> because apt builds test helpers at test time with now t64 that fail to link against the old t32 library from 2.7.12

 15:28 <vorlon> and if that still fails you should check that the package has been rebuilt in -proposed for the new library package name, and if not, arrange no-change rebuilds

 15:29 <vorlon> libuv1 is still with mwhudson

 15:29 <vorlon> freetype didn't get assigned last week - bdrung can you take it?

 15:29 <bdrung> ack

 15:29 <vorlon> optipng - bdmurray ?

 15:30 <vorlon> libgd2 - cpete__ ?

 15:30 <cpete__> bdmurack

 15:30 <vorlon> is cpete an internal gcc macro

 15:30 <cpete__> ack

 15:30 <bdmurray> okay

 15:30 <vorlon> casper vs plymouth: dbungert

 15:30 <bdmurray> Tim would like one too

 15:31 <dbungert> ack for casper vs plymouth

 15:31 <vorlon> slang2: Tim

 15:31 <vorlon> nfs-utils vs adsys: danilogondolfo

 15:31 <vorlon> pyopenssl: ginggs

 15:31 <danilogondolfo> vorlon, ack

 15:31 <ginggs> ack

 15:32 <vorlon> software-properties vs dconf: ooh it's not a time_t one.  xypron

 15:32 <xypron> ok

 15:33 <vorlon> xypron: actually there are 3 separate autopkgtest failures on arm64 in response to dconf: software-properties, update-manager, update-notifier.  So probably a dconf regression, can you look at all of these please?

 15:33 <vorlon> (dconf itself is not ours, so it's ok if the investigation results in turning it over to the Desktop Team to fix)

 15:33 <vorlon> libvpx: slyon

 15:33 <slyon> ok

 15:33 <vorlon> initramfs-tools vs netplan.io on armhf: mateus-morais

 15:34 <mateus-morais> ack

 15:34 <vorlon> libgtk3-perl: enr0n

 15:34 <enr0n> vorlon: ack

 15:34 <vorlon> software-properties vs gtk+3.0: ogayot

 15:34 <bdrung> vorlon, I am taking initramfs-tools vs netplan.io - this needs just some handholding

 15:34 <ogayot> vorlon: ack

 15:35 <vorlon> ubuntu-release-upgrader vs gtk+2.0: mateus-morais since bdrung is stealing

 15:35 <mateus-morais> vorlon: ok

 15:35 <bdrung> (i want to check that the initramfs-tools tests became stable again)

 15:35 <vorlon> mateus-morais: please also take update-manager, update-notifier, and vim blocking gtk+3.0 - these are probably all just autopkgtest retries

 15:35 <mateus-morais> ack

 15:35 <vorlon> fwupd vs libmbim: pushkarnk

 15:36 <pushkarnk> ack

 15:36 <vorlon> pushkarnk: fwupd is also blocking libqmi and modemmanager, so please check on these too, probably same root cause

 15:36 <pushkarnk> vorlon: ok

 15:36 <vorlon> pango1.0 vs harfbuzz: schopin

 15:36 <schopin> ack

 15:36 <vorlon> schopin: hmmm raqm and pango1.0 both fail on harfbuzz/arm64, please look at both

 15:37 <schopin> ok

 15:37 <vorlon> cryptsetup vs jq: zhsj

 15:37 <vorlon> and we'll stop there

 15:37 <vorlon> anyone who runs out of things to do this week on proposed-migration, there's plenty more ;)

 15:37 <vorlon> juliank: back to you

 15:37 <zhsj> ack

 15:40 <juliank> #topic AOB

 15:40 <juliank> any other business?

 15:40 <juliank> any other busyness? :D

 15:40 <vorlon> busy busy

 15:41 <juliank> I still need to take half a day this month!

 15:41 <schopin> 29th afternoon?

 15:41 <juliank> Probably like next Wednesday afternoon?

 15:41 <bdrung> I am taking my remaining days at the end of the month

 15:41 <juliank> Rather ad-hoc when it's sunny and nobody wants to meet

 15:42 <enr0n> I will be out most of next week. Starting Tuesday afternoon, and will be back the following Monday

 15:43 <bdmurray> I'll be working in a different location most of next week

 15:44 <schopin> bdmurray: will your working hours change?

 15:44 <bdmurray> No

 15:44 <bdmurray> Same time zone

 15:47 <juliank> #endmeeting



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