== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-meeting: Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team meeting, started by juliank, 07 Mar at 16:01 — 16:53 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-07-16.01.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning rounds ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:01.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-teams-updates-thursday-2024-03-07   (juliank, 16:01)

=== Release incoming bugs ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:14.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 16:14)

=== Team proposed-migration report ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:29.

 * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 16:30)

=== aob ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:45.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * vorlon (59)
 * juliank (39)
 * adrien (12)
 * enr0n (10)
 * bdrung (6)
 * schopin (6)
 * waveform (6)
 * upils (5)
 * pushkarnk (4)
 * Skia (4)
 * Eickmeyer (3)
 * dbungert (3)
 * cpete (3)
 * ravikant_ (3)
 * meetingology (2)
 * ginggs (2)
 * ogayot (2)
 * mkukri (2)
 * zhsj (2)
 * liushuyu (2)
 * dviererbe (2)
 * xypron (1)
 * mateus-morais (1)



== Full log ==


 16:01 <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team

 16:01 <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:01:39 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

 16:01 <xypron> \o

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 16:01 <bdrung> \o

 16:01 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds

 16:01 <ginggs> o/

 16:01 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-teams-updates-thursday-2024-03-07

 16:02 <pushkarnk> o/

 16:02 <schopin> o/

 16:02 <ogayot> o/

 16:02 <upils> o/

 16:04 <mkukri> o/

 16:04 <zhsj> o/

 16:04 <liushuyu> o/

 16:05 <adrien> \o

 16:14 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs

 16:14 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 16:14 <juliank> bug 2056375

 16:15 <juliank> vorlon: you tagged this but it's basically waiting for mokutil to migrate which has a dep-wait on armhf, where we don't even use mokutil and forced grub through

 16:15 <juliank> or rather force deleted grub

 16:15 <juliank> should we just force delete mokutil in armhf?

 16:16 <vorlon> juliank: I don't follow how it's a mokutil issue, how would that force the removal of packages?

 16:16 <vorlon> I can certainly force delete mokutil on armhf, I don't mind

 16:16 <vorlon> I just don't follow how you figured that out

 16:17 <juliank> vorlon: grub is removed because it is built against libefivar1t64, and we install mokutil from release pocket which still uses libefivar1

 16:17 <juliank> migrating new mokutil with libefivar1t64 depends fixes issue

 16:17 <vorlon> except the libefivar1 dep should be satisfied by libefivar1t64 Provides: libefivar1

 16:18 <vorlon> if promoting mokutil works around it, that's fine, let's just do that

 16:18 <vorlon> and we can move on to the next bug here :)

 16:18 <juliank> APT being stupid I suppose

 16:18 <juliank> bug 2055720

 16:19 <enr0n> The main reason I tagged this is that when u-r-u doesn't find valid sources, it offers to setup default sources. Currently that means configuring main and restricted. That's just wrong, right?

 16:19 <enr0n> At the very least it's inconsistent with the default sources described in https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/spec-apt-deb822-sources-by-default/29333

 16:19 <juliank> Indeed

 16:20 <schopin> Do we enable universe by default?

 16:20 <schopin> On a new install, I mean.

 16:20 <waveform> we used to

 16:21 <waveform> there was an issue where they were disabled ... I think that came up in mantic with ubuntu-image produced builds but it was fixed before release I believe

 16:21 <enr0n> ogayot and dbungert would probably know what we do on default installs

 16:21 * Eickmeyer chimes

 16:22 <Eickmeyer> Flavors require universe on new installs

 16:22 <waveform> yes, LP: #2037018

 16:22 * Eickmeyer chimes out

 16:23 <vorlon> enr0n: "default" sources should include universe, for all install types

 16:23 <enr0n> vorlon: cool thanks

 16:23 <upils> ubuntu-image is setting main,restricted by default but some (ex. ubuntu-server-pi-arm64) configurations do override it to add universe and multiverse

 16:23 <vorlon> I think multiverse should also be enabled though the history there is a bit muddled

 16:23 * juliank relatedly is also working with josch to get a hook added to mmdebstrap that auomtatically enables universe on Ubuntu systems

 16:23 <vorlon> upils: well there's a bug about it being wrong to use the same set of components for the image build and the post-install sources

 16:24 <waveform> indeed -- it shouldn't be enabled during the image build itself, but patched in at the end

 16:24 <juliank> I see bootstraps of any sorts are main/restricted only, and then enable universe/multiverse? before building final image

 16:25 <juliank> so we don't install packages from them into the image :)

 16:25 <vorlon> juliank: bootstraps of *Ubuntu* are main/restricted only

 16:25 <upils> vorlon: which is now fixed (see LP: 2038111)

 16:25 <vorlon> flavors include universe

 16:25 <juliank> hmm

 16:25 <vorlon> upils: ok :)

 16:25 <enr0n> Okay, well for the case of ubuntu-release-upgrader, which is *not* building images, I am going to just add universe to the default components.

 16:25 <juliank> +10

 16:26 <enr0n> I'll untag etc.

 16:26 <vorlon> enr0n: (and multiverse)

 16:26 <enr0n> vorlon: ack

 16:26 <juliank> And next is another enr0n thingie: bug 2055806

 16:27 <vorlon> analysis on the bug, seemed like it was a slam dunk to fix?

 16:28 <enr0n> vorlon: does that mean you agree with my comment (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/2055806/comments/8)

 16:28 <vorlon> enr0n: well it made sense to me :)

 16:28 <enr0n> vorlon: ack, I will upload a fix today then

 16:28 <juliank> +1

 16:28 <vorlon> so I agree but have thought deeply about it independently!

 16:28 <vorlon> *not

 16:29 <juliank> If that fails some way we can always add the After= :D

 16:29 <juliank> OK that's it for incoming bugs, the other releases did not have anything for us

 16:29 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report

 16:30 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs

 16:30 * juliank hands the talking stick to vorlon

 16:30 <dbungert> does it crash the browser today?

 16:30 <upils> yup

 16:30 <vorlon> 480 packages needing attention

 16:30 <vorlon> hasn't crashed my browser *yet*

 16:31 <vorlon> let's go ahead and assign some of these out

 16:31 <vorlon> and everybody can share in the time_t fun

 16:31 <vorlon> libselinux: adrien please

 16:31 <vorlon> vim: bdrung

 16:31 <bdrung> ack

 16:32 <vorlon> initramfs-tools vs klibc: cpete

 16:32 <adrien> btw, as I mentioned on mattermost, if it crashes your browser, download the page, and atler the page with: sed 's/<a href="https:\/\/.*-perl.*">\(.*\)<\/a>/\1/'

 16:32 <vorlon> procps: dbungert:

 16:32 <dbungert> ack

 16:32 <cpete> ack

 16:32 <vorlon> python-ldap: waveform

 16:32 <adrien> vorlon: I'm scared :D

 16:32 <waveform> ack

 16:32 <vorlon> libgtk3-perl: dviererbe:

 16:32 <dviererbe> ack

 16:33 <vorlon> dviererbe: fwiw that seems to be a general pango1.0 ppc64el issue, based on the list of regressions - so you'll probably need to fix pango1.0 itself

 16:33 <dbungert> adrien: my go-to is to just look at it in `links` on such days

 16:33 <vorlon> libbsd: Skia

 16:33 <dviererbe> okay

 16:33 <Skia> ack

 16:33 <waveform> or good ol' w3m

 16:33 <vorlon> libapt-pkg-perl: ginggs

 16:33 <ginggs> aye aye

 16:33 <vorlon> packagekit: xypron

 16:33 <adrien> dbungert: I know some do but I find it less readable; this sed call reduces the memory usage byt 75% currently, probably more when the page is worse

 16:34 <vorlon> python-apt: juliank

 16:34 <vorlon> dnspython: mkukri

 16:34 <mkukri> ack

 16:34 <vorlon> python-cups: mateus-morais

 16:34 <juliank> hooray

 16:34 <mateus-morais> ack

 16:34 <vorlon> curl: I'm just going to take this one myself because I know what that bootstrap chain looks like :)

 16:34 <Skia> for information, initramfs-tools vs klibc, there already is a fix here: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/initramfs-tools/-/merge_requests/91

 16:34 <vorlon> publicsuffix: enr0n

 16:35 <enr0n> ack

 16:35 <cpete> skia: perfect, thanks

 16:35 <vorlon> Skia: great, then someone can cherry-pick :)

 16:35 <Skia> yes, I think bdrung wanted to have a look, and certainly got sidetracked

 16:35 <vorlon> apt vs db5.3: ogayot

 16:35 <ogayot> vorlon: ack

 16:35 <vorlon> apt vs xz-utils: upils

 16:35 <upils> ack

 16:36 <vorlon> ccache: pushkarnk

 16:36 <pushkarnk> ack

 16:36 <vorlon> ogayot: let's make that db5.3 in general please, there are several packages that need retested with --all-proposed or such (assuming they're fixed to depend on libdb5.3t64)

 16:37 <vorlon> elfutils: ravikant_:

 16:37 <vorlon> fwupd vs xz-utils: schopin

 16:37 <schopin> vorlon: ack

 16:37 <vorlon> libtirpc: liushuyu

 16:37 <vorlon> libuv1: mwhudson

 16:37 <liushuyu> vorlon: okay

 16:37 <vorlon> pycurl: vpa1977:

 16:37 <ravikant_> vorlon: I am ooo next week, can sombody else take it?

 16:37 <bdrung> cpete, please give me initramfs-tools vs klibc. you get vim instead. i have a pending initramfs-tools upload where i can include the fix from Skia (and yes, i missed to pick that fix)

 16:37 <vorlon> and the rest of xz-utils to zhsj

 16:38 <vorlon> bdrung: done for now

 16:38 <zhsj> ack

 16:38 <cpete> bdrung: ack

 16:38 <schopin> nice, I got a non-armhf regression!

 16:38 <adrien> vorlon: so, umockdev armhf build fails (it failed a couple minutes ago) due to t64; are there general guidance there?

 16:38 <juliank> vorlon, ravikant_ I can take elfutils too I suppsoe

 16:38 <vorlon> adrien: do we need to get umockdev rebuilt? if so, make that happen.  or if we need to retest with --all-proposed, do that

 16:38 <ravikant_> juliank: thanks

 16:39 <adrien> vorlon: ack, thanks

 16:39 <vorlon> adrien: ah you said the build fails.  So yes, you need to make it not fail :-)

 16:39 <vorlon> if you're lucky that's maybe a simple retry with new apt, or a copy to the bootstrap archive and back

 16:39 <vorlon> if you're unlucky you should sign up to learn how to trace bootstrapping horrors with me

 16:40 * schopin will try to attend that workshop

 16:40 <adrien> thanks, I'll see, it's either t64 or something else yet to be fully identified

 16:40 <bdrung> Skia, I included your fix in the 0.142ubuntu20 upload which is still in -proposed

 16:40 <Skia> bdrung: great!

 16:41 <vorlon> adrien: you're unlucky, umockdev depends on glib

 16:42 <vorlon> adrien: or maybe you're lucky, because that means you probably don't have anything to do there and maybe should leave it to mwhudson or doko or myself

 16:42 <adrien> haha, I'll also try to get up to speed with what's going on with glib

 16:43 <vorlon> adrien: there's a terrible bootstrap loop between glib2.0 and gobject-introspection

 16:43 <adrien> (well, at least for t64 because I never want to get deep into glib :) )

 16:43 <adrien> doh

 16:43 <vorlon> I got as far as building glib2.0 without gir

 16:44 <vorlon> and then I had to leave it there to work on other stuff and didn't look any deeper at bootstrapping gobject-introspection

 16:44 <vorlon> so jbicha reverted it because it was blocking things on !armhf in -proposed

 16:44 <vorlon> juliank: back to you

 16:44 <adrien> thanks for the summary, yeah, it's complicated

 16:44 <adrien> and long

 16:45 <juliank> #topic aob

 16:47 <pushkarnk> tomorrow is a public holiday in India

 16:48 <bdrung> and in Berlin

 16:48 <juliank> not here :(

 16:48 <juliank> but on the bright side it's going to be sunny

 16:48 <juliank> (pun intended)

 16:49 <ravikant_> It is International Women's Day

 16:49 <bdrung> we got this public holiday because Berlin has fewer public holidays than other regions in Germany

 16:50 <juliank> some celebrate women, other celebrate shiva

 16:51 <pushkarnk> :D

 16:53 <juliank> final call!

 16:53 <juliank> 32

 16:53 <juliank> 3

 16:53 <juliank> 2

 16:53 <juliank> 1

 16:53 <juliank> #endmeeting



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